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There is ONE BAPTISM (the apostle paul said one lord one faith one baptism)
You were baptised into water by whoever baptised you
I was baptized into Christ, Into his death, Into his body, Into him and I will be baptized into his ressurection and this was all accomplished by the circumcision done by the hand of God through baptism OF THE NE WHO RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.
You were saved by a work of righteousness (obedience to the command of baptism in water)
I was saved by not by wrks of righteousness which I did (like water baptism) but by his mercy, by the WASHING (baptism) and RENEWAL (new birth) OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
Baptism of the spirit is where salvation takes place.
Baptism of water is an open testimony of a completed fact. That I have been born of God.
You were baptised into water by whoever baptised you
I was baptized into Christ, Into his death, Into his body, Into him and I will be baptized into his ressurection and this was all accomplished by the circumcision done by the hand of God through baptism OF THE NE WHO RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.
You were saved by a work of righteousness (obedience to the command of baptism in water)
I was saved by not by wrks of righteousness which I did (like water baptism) but by his mercy, by the WASHING (baptism) and RENEWAL (new birth) OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
Baptism of the spirit is where salvation takes place.
Baptism of water is an open testimony of a completed fact. That I have been born of God.
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We are NOT enemies at the cross and should not be beyond the cross.
Yes we are all different and see from our perspective even Peter and Paul had disputes about the gospel spreading.
Our enemy is the god of this world,not our heavenly destination.
Scripture teaches us to draw nigh( close) to God and he will draw close to us to resist the devil and he will flee from us.......HOW POWERFUL is that!
We must dwell in unity showing brotherly love for Satan seeks to destroy and devour us. If the sheep are scattered they are EASY prey!
Let us be sure that we don't further Satan's cause by devouring each other!
In Christ's love,
Gardenia
We are NOT enemies at the cross and should not be beyond the cross.
Yes we are all different and see from our perspective even Peter and Paul had disputes about the gospel spreading.
Our enemy is the god of this world,not our heavenly destination.
Scripture teaches us to draw nigh( close) to God and he will draw close to us to resist the devil and he will flee from us.......HOW POWERFUL is that!
We must dwell in unity showing brotherly love for Satan seeks to destroy and devour us. If the sheep are scattered they are EASY prey!
Let us be sure that we don't further Satan's cause by devouring each other!
In Christ's love,
Gardenia
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I was making the point that water has never saved anyone. People are saved FROM water, like in Noah's day and the Israelites walking THROUGH the Red Sea on DRY GROUND. It was the Egyptian army that were immersed in the sea and were killed. All of them.
Paul even used that event in 1 Cor 10 using the word 'baptized'.
1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.
2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
3 They all ate the same spiritual food
4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
v.1 shows that the Jews passed THROUGH water.
v.2 shows they were baptized INTO: Moses, the cloud, and IN the sea. Yet, none got wet from ANY of these 3 things.
v.3 and 4 shows that they were all saved Jews. They believed in the Messiah.
v.5 shows that in spite of their being saved, most of them displeased God. So God applied divine discipline known as the "sin unto death" to those who were displeasing Him. See 1 John 5:16
Water baptism is a symbol (ritual) for being identified with Christ. 1 Pet 3:21
baptism in the sea is a real identification with Moses and God's protection. No water involved.
The baptism that saves is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Mark 1:8
Paul even used that event in 1 Cor 10 using the word 'baptized'.
1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.
2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
3 They all ate the same spiritual food
4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
v.1 shows that the Jews passed THROUGH water.
v.2 shows they were baptized INTO: Moses, the cloud, and IN the sea. Yet, none got wet from ANY of these 3 things.
v.3 and 4 shows that they were all saved Jews. They believed in the Messiah.
v.5 shows that in spite of their being saved, most of them displeased God. So God applied divine discipline known as the "sin unto death" to those who were displeasing Him. See 1 John 5:16
Water baptism is a symbol (ritual) for being identified with Christ. 1 Pet 3:21
baptism in the sea is a real identification with Moses and God's protection. No water involved.
The baptism that saves is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Mark 1:8
Rather, you are wrong.
The literal water of the flood killed the human race on the planet, minus 8 people, who were saved FROM the water by being IN the ark.
The literal water of the Red Sea killed the entire Egyptian army while the Israelites were saved FROM the water by God's provision.
A person can drown in mere inches of water.
The ONLY way water can save someone is when they are dehydrated. But that doesn't involve the soul.
The Greek word for baptism was used in early first century for an identification. It was originally used to describe dipping (immersing) a cloth into a vat of dye, whereby the cloth was now identified with the color of the dye.
It's good to know the etimology of words.
The literal water of the flood killed the human race on the planet, minus 8 people, who were saved FROM the water by being IN the ark.
The literal water of the Red Sea killed the entire Egyptian army while the Israelites were saved FROM the water by God's provision.
A person can drown in mere inches of water.
The ONLY way water can save someone is when they are dehydrated. But that doesn't involve the soul.
The Greek word for baptism was used in early first century for an identification. It was originally used to describe dipping (immersing) a cloth into a vat of dye, whereby the cloth was now identified with the color of the dye.
It's good to know the etimology of words.
The point is to direct people's attention to what the word says about a proper foundation. Without it people are unknowingly building upon sand. Many will say, Lord, Lord... indicating they believe in Jesus, and his response will be I never knew you. (Matt. 7:23) Immediately afterward, Jesus points out the difference between wise and foolish builders. I believe Jesus statement that he never knew those who believed in him was because they were foolish builders. They neglected to obey the commands associated with the NT spiritual rebirth. (Acts 2:38)
Lastly, are you sure you weren't baptized 2 times in the Catholic religion? If you were baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost both times you were in fact following the manmade tradition begun by the forerunners of the Roman Catholic Church. The apostles obeyed Jesus' command from Matthew 28:19 they did not repeat it. They consistently water baptized those who repented in the name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)
Also, consider that the belief that water baptism is an empty ritual is not what the bible says. Every human being has to make their own decision whether to accept or reject what the bible actually says about it. To be sure one's sins have actually been remitted has eternal consequences. People will not gain access to heaven without their personal sins having been remitted through obedience to God's command.
Lastly, are you sure you weren't baptized 2 times in the Catholic religion? If you were baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost both times you were in fact following the manmade tradition begun by the forerunners of the Roman Catholic Church. The apostles obeyed Jesus' command from Matthew 28:19 they did not repeat it. They consistently water baptized those who repented in the name of the Lord Jesus. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)
Also, consider that the belief that water baptism is an empty ritual is not what the bible says. Every human being has to make their own decision whether to accept or reject what the bible actually says about it. To be sure one's sins have actually been remitted has eternal consequences. People will not gain access to heaven without their personal sins having been remitted through obedience to God's command.
This is a very misleading translation and really misses the whole point:
New International Version
and this water symbolizes (flood waters from v.20) baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
New Living Translation
And that water (flood water) is a picture of baptism, which now saves you, not by removing dirt from your body, but as a response to God from a clean conscience. It is effective because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
English Standard Version
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Berean Study Bible
And this water (flood water) symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Berean Literal Bible
which also prefigures the baptism now saving you, not a putting away of the filth of flesh, but the demand of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
King James Bible
The like figure (symbol) whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
New King James Version
There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
New American Standard Bible
Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Good News Translation
which was a symbol (literal water) pointing to baptism, which now saves you. It is not the washing off of bodily dirt, but the promise made to God from a good conscience. It saves you through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
International Standard Version
Baptism, which is symbolized by that water, now saves you also, not by removing dirt from the body, but by asking God for a clear conscience based on the resurrection of Jesus, the Messiah,
New Heart English Bible
This (literal water) is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the body, but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
World English Bible
This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
These translations show that literal water is a SYMBOl of the (dry) baptism that does save us. That is a direct reference to the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Mark 1:8
If water baptism were required for soul salvation, Pau would surely NOT have written this:
1 Cor 1-
14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name.
16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)
17For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Paul made a point about water baptism. He wasn't interested to do it. If he, the greatest evangelist ever, thought or taught that water baptism was required for salvation, he would surely have made sure his converts were all baptized. But he didn't.
Jesus is teaching that being "born of water" is a reference to physical birth, and "born of the Spirit" is spiritual birth.
iow, to enter the kingdom of God requires to be born, and born again.
These had already realized their sin and acknowledged it. To be water baptized is to be identified with Christ.
Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Ritual that illustrates being identified with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection. It was a picture of what Christ did and being identified with it.
Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Study Bibles have notes in them regarding v.9-20. They aren't found in the earliest and most reliable manuscripts. This means these verses were ADDED later. They may contain some truth, but are not inspired. And it's quite possible that the scribe who ADDED was thinking of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
It seems you are unable to discern between wet and Spirit baptism. Sad. But that's why are you confused about baptism.
New International Version
and this water symbolizes (flood waters from v.20) baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
New Living Translation
And that water (flood water) is a picture of baptism, which now saves you, not by removing dirt from your body, but as a response to God from a clean conscience. It is effective because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
English Standard Version
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Berean Study Bible
And this water (flood water) symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Berean Literal Bible
which also prefigures the baptism now saving you, not a putting away of the filth of flesh, but the demand of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
King James Bible
The like figure (symbol) whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
New King James Version
There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
New American Standard Bible
Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
Good News Translation
which was a symbol (literal water) pointing to baptism, which now saves you. It is not the washing off of bodily dirt, but the promise made to God from a good conscience. It saves you through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
International Standard Version
Baptism, which is symbolized by that water, now saves you also, not by removing dirt from the body, but by asking God for a clear conscience based on the resurrection of Jesus, the Messiah,
New Heart English Bible
This (literal water) is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the removal of dirt from the body, but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
World English Bible
This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
These translations show that literal water is a SYMBOl of the (dry) baptism that does save us. That is a direct reference to the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Mark 1:8
If water baptism were required for soul salvation, Pau would surely NOT have written this:
1 Cor 1-
14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius,
15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name.
16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.)
17For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Paul made a point about water baptism. He wasn't interested to do it. If he, the greatest evangelist ever, thought or taught that water baptism was required for salvation, he would surely have made sure his converts were all baptized. But he didn't.
Jesus is teaching that being "born of water" is a reference to physical birth, and "born of the Spirit" is spiritual birth.
iow, to enter the kingdom of God requires to be born, and born again.
These had already realized their sin and acknowledged it. To be water baptized is to be identified with Christ.
Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Ritual that illustrates being identified with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection. It was a picture of what Christ did and being identified with it.
Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Study Bibles have notes in them regarding v.9-20. They aren't found in the earliest and most reliable manuscripts. This means these verses were ADDED later. They may contain some truth, but are not inspired. And it's quite possible that the scribe who ADDED was thinking of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
It seems you are unable to discern between wet and Spirit baptism. Sad. But that's why are you confused about baptism.
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well we know, but just to refresh people's memories 
John the Baptist, the cousin of Jesus (by design no doubt) was the FORERUNNER of Jesus
John himself explained it this way:
11I baptize you with water for repentance, but after me will come One more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
12His winnowing fork is in His hand to clear His threshing floor and to gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” Matthew 3
totally explained for those with the ears and the heart to receive it
let's remember, how does a person receive the gospel?
8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.
there is nothing to interpret, that is not hard to understand, but for some...the seed falls on hard ground or the birds carry it away and it seems that no matter how many times you try to harness the ox to the wheel and make it go around and around and around with nothing else to do but think, the creature just wants to eat something
that was a mixed metaphor. no one should take offense. I tend to think in pictures
John the Baptist, the cousin of Jesus (by design no doubt) was the FORERUNNER of Jesus
John himself explained it this way:
11I baptize you with water for repentance, but after me will come One more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
12His winnowing fork is in His hand to clear His threshing floor and to gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.” Matthew 3
totally explained for those with the ears and the heart to receive it
let's remember, how does a person receive the gospel?
8But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: 9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.
there is nothing to interpret, that is not hard to understand, but for some...the seed falls on hard ground or the birds carry it away and it seems that no matter how many times you try to harness the ox to the wheel and make it go around and around and around with nothing else to do but think, the creature just wants to eat something
that was a mixed metaphor. no one should take offense. I tend to think in pictures
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John preached bring forth fruits of repentance with the ritualistic form of OT cleansing. Remember his father served in the Temple,that is what he knew. He was called as the fore runner to herald that NOW is the time of the Messiah's coming.
When the word is heard,the Spirit pricks hearts to the opportunity that NOW has the Messiah knocked upon the door of your heart.
Jesus is the ONLY way to be saved,ONLY way! Then he must be obeyed. If he thought the ritual of baptism was ok to follow fulfilling the OT cleansing then WHO AM I to rebuke it?
Again I stress ONLY JESUS SHED BLOOD CAN FORGIVE SIN, bc he is God in the flesh. By his death,burial and resurrection we have forgiveness. Baptism is ONLY a symbol of following him coming from the water stating I'm washed,cleansed and made free of sin.
Salvation comes from us seeing what God sees about us then repenting. Then the blood is applied to the doorpost of our hearts and we are redeemed.
I will say if people think WATER saves they need to go back to the cross!
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