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“And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”
Daniel 12:1-7
“And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.”
Revelation 5:1, 5, 7 KJV
“And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”
Revelation 10:1-2, 5-7 KJV
“But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
Acts 3:18-21 KJV
“Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
Ephesians 3:4-6 KJV
the mystery of the prophets being fulfilled and made known is the open book Daniel was foreseeing the end of the old covenant and this resurrection
“And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Matthew 27:52-53 KJV
he was foreseeing Israel’s coming destruction the seventh trumpet is Christs crucifixion and resurrection that unveiled the mystery unknown
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”
Daniel 12:1-7
“And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.”
Revelation 5:1, 5, 7 KJV
“And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.”
Revelation 10:1-2, 5-7 KJV
“But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”
Acts 3:18-21 KJV
“Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:”
Ephesians 3:4-6 KJV
the mystery of the prophets being fulfilled and made known is the open book Daniel was foreseeing the end of the old covenant and this resurrection
“And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
Matthew 27:52-53 KJV
he was foreseeing Israel’s coming destruction the seventh trumpet is Christs crucifixion and resurrection that unveiled the mystery unknown
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Listen, is not the Day of the Lord in the old testament a time of misery, doom and gloom, death and destruction?? Even the prophet Joel said the great and terrible day of the Lord. And yet Peter spoke of the day of the Lord and said it was glorius ( notable, wonderful, manifest, magnificent, awesome).
And what day does he come as a thief? for you know very well that the "Day of the Lord" will come like a thief in the night. 1 Thess 5:2
Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Rev 3:3 This is tying the day of the Lord together with the thief.
But the "day of the Lord" will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. This is during the bowl judgements.
Mark 13:20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. From the Blessed day this leaves 1185 days to be fulfilled. This is how he shortened the days!
And what day does he come as a thief? for you know very well that the "Day of the Lord" will come like a thief in the night. 1 Thess 5:2
Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Rev 3:3 This is tying the day of the Lord together with the thief.
But the "day of the Lord" will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. This is during the bowl judgements.
Mark 13:20 “If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. From the Blessed day this leaves 1185 days to be fulfilled. This is how he shortened the days!
That's not possible!
The proof to the world that "The Day of the Lord" has begun, is the apostasy occurring and the man of lawlessness being revealed. 2 Thess. 2:1starts off with "Concerning the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him," then in verse 2 Paul refers to "The Day of the Lord," which is the time of God's wrath, which follows the church being gathered to the Lord. Below is the order:
* The appearing of the Lord and our being gathered to Him (an imminent event)
* The Day of the Lord (the proof being the apostasy having occurred and the man of lawlessness revealed)
First of all, the seven year period is divided into two 1260 days periods, which is 3 1/2 years in 30 day increments. The first 3 1/2 years which ends at the setting up of the abomination and the second beginning at the setting up of the abomination and which ends when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age.
During that seven year period, God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be taking place. Therefore, since we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath, we cannot be gathered in the middle or the end, because it would put the living church through the entire wrath of God.
The proof to the world that "The Day of the Lord" has begun, is the apostasy occurring and the man of lawlessness being revealed. 2 Thess. 2:1starts off with "Concerning the coming of our Lord and our being gathered to Him," then in verse 2 Paul refers to "The Day of the Lord," which is the time of God's wrath, which follows the church being gathered to the Lord. Below is the order:
* The appearing of the Lord and our being gathered to Him (an imminent event)
* The Day of the Lord (the proof being the apostasy having occurred and the man of lawlessness revealed)
First of all, the seven year period is divided into two 1260 days periods, which is 3 1/2 years in 30 day increments. The first 3 1/2 years which ends at the setting up of the abomination and the second beginning at the setting up of the abomination and which ends when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age.
During that seven year period, God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be taking place. Therefore, since we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath, we cannot be gathered in the middle or the end, because it would put the living church through the entire wrath of God.
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I had trouble following you.
1260 days---Dan 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[h] In the middle of the ‘seven’[i] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.
!29() days--- 1 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
1335th Day--The resurrection and what you do not understand is the Day of the Lord begins here and also begins 1000 year reign of the Lord.
This is why Rev. 11 speaks of the coming of the kingdom of the Lord.
Rev 11:
15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”
So unless you believe the scriptures are out of order--you are wrong. many more pieces but they all tie together
1260 days---Dan 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[h] In the middle of the ‘seven’[i] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.
!29() days--- 1 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
1335th Day--The resurrection and what you do not understand is the Day of the Lord begins here and also begins 1000 year reign of the Lord.
This is why Rev. 11 speaks of the coming of the kingdom of the Lord.
Rev 11:
15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”
So unless you believe the scriptures are out of order--you are wrong. many more pieces but they all tie together
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I did miss speak and enter a correction
**********And we know the gathering of the saints to meet the Lord is after the antichrist takes his seat in temple of God if you believe the scriptures which happens at the 1260th day! 2 Thess 2: 1-4************
Happens "after" the 1260th day of the tribulation
**********And we know the gathering of the saints to meet the Lord is after the antichrist takes his seat in temple of God if you believe the scriptures which happens at the 1260th day! 2 Thess 2: 1-4************
Happens "after" the 1260th day of the tribulation
Blessings to all!
There is a seven year period divided into two 1260 day periods (3 1/2 years) that are established in Daniel 9:27, with the setting up of the abomination marking the middle of the seven and which is the fulfillment of that last seven years of the seventy sevens that were decreed upon Daniel's people Israel and their holy city, Jerusalem.
These 1260 days are two 3 1/2 year periods in 30 day monthly increments. These are also mentioned in Daniel and Revelation as 'a time, times and half a time and 42 months.
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"He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time. (Compare Revelation 13:5-7 regarding the saints)
"They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” - Rev.11:3 (takes place during the first 3 1/2 years)
"The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days." - Rev.12:6
"The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach." - Rev.12:14
"The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words, and authority to act for 42 months. And the beast opened its mouth to speak blasphemies against God and to slander His name and His tabernacle—those who dwell in heaven. "Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation." - Rev.13:5-7
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"And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days. Blessed is he who waits and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. - Dan.12:11-12
1290 days is of course 30 day past the 1260 days given and which again is 3 1/2 years. And the 1335 days is 45 days beyond that, for a total of 75 days beyond the 1260 days.
Regarding what takes place during those extra 30 and 45 days, scripture does not reveal. However, I believe that during those extra 75 days, that premillennial business will take place, such as the judgment of the Gentile nations for their treatment of Israel, the sheep and the goat judgement and other premillennial business, with the 1335 day being when those whom the kingdom was prepared for, enter in.
That said, the Lord will return to the earth to end the age at the end of the 1260 days, with premillennial business to follow for a total of 75 days later and then entry into the millennial kingdom.
There is a seven year period divided into two 1260 day periods (3 1/2 years) that are established in Daniel 9:27, with the setting up of the abomination marking the middle of the seven and which is the fulfillment of that last seven years of the seventy sevens that were decreed upon Daniel's people Israel and their holy city, Jerusalem.
These 1260 days are two 3 1/2 year periods in 30 day monthly increments. These are also mentioned in Daniel and Revelation as 'a time, times and half a time and 42 months.
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"He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time. (Compare Revelation 13:5-7 regarding the saints)
"They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” - Rev.11:3 (takes place during the first 3 1/2 years)
"The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days." - Rev.12:6
"The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach." - Rev.12:14
"The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words, and authority to act for 42 months. And the beast opened its mouth to speak blasphemies against God and to slander His name and His tabernacle—those who dwell in heaven. "Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation." - Rev.13:5-7
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"And from the time the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation set up, there will be 1,290 days. Blessed is he who waits and reaches the end of the 1,335 days. - Dan.12:11-12
1290 days is of course 30 day past the 1260 days given and which again is 3 1/2 years. And the 1335 days is 45 days beyond that, for a total of 75 days beyond the 1260 days.
Regarding what takes place during those extra 30 and 45 days, scripture does not reveal. However, I believe that during those extra 75 days, that premillennial business will take place, such as the judgment of the Gentile nations for their treatment of Israel, the sheep and the goat judgement and other premillennial business, with the 1335 day being when those whom the kingdom was prepared for, enter in.
That said, the Lord will return to the earth to end the age at the end of the 1260 days, with premillennial business to follow for a total of 75 days later and then entry into the millennial kingdom.
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Well, we are much closer in agreement than most. The sheep/goat judgement happens at end of the 7 years of tribulation in which they are not judged for grace thru faith but by works. The Lord does return after 2520 days or 7 years of tribulation. This determines who enters the kingdom in flesh and blood.
The last 1185 days after the 1335th day the bowl judgements are taking place. This is the time of shortening of days, and how the tribulation is a full 7 years. I also see the Last Trump/Trumpet ( 7th) taking place at the 1335th day. IMO
The last 1185 days after the 1335th day the bowl judgements are taking place. This is the time of shortening of days, and how the tribulation is a full 7 years. I also see the Last Trump/Trumpet ( 7th) taking place at the 1335th day. IMO
Good day, Omegatime,
Just fyi, though it may appear that the sheep and the goats are judged by their works they are not. Jesus Himself makes it clear in the parable that the salvation of the “sheep” is not based on their works, but the inheritance was theirs “since the creation of the world” (Matt.25:34), long before they could ever do any good works!"
"Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."
God chose the sheep to inherit the millennial kingdom before the world began. Their good works are not the cause of their salvation, but the results of their faith. To be clear, the goats did not do those those good works because they were not chosen from the foundation of the world and they had no faith.
Their good works are not the cause of their salvation, but the result of their faith.
The problem with having the gathering of the church (last trumpet) taking place at the 1335th day, is that it would put the living church through all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which are the wrath of God and which believers within the church are not appointed to suffer.
Also, if you are equating the 7th trumpet with the last trumpet, they are completely different trumpets. The 7th trumpet is a part of the trumpet judgments of God's wrath, where the last trumpet is where the church is gathered, which takes place prior to God's wrath. These two trumpets have nothing to do with each other. It is important that we do not pigeonhole the word trumpet, applying it as being the same trumpet wherever the word appears. Someone at sometime, interpreted the last trumpet as being the 7th trumpet, which is false.
Just fyi, though it may appear that the sheep and the goats are judged by their works they are not. Jesus Himself makes it clear in the parable that the salvation of the “sheep” is not based on their works, but the inheritance was theirs “since the creation of the world” (Matt.25:34), long before they could ever do any good works!"
"Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."
God chose the sheep to inherit the millennial kingdom before the world began. Their good works are not the cause of their salvation, but the results of their faith. To be clear, the goats did not do those those good works because they were not chosen from the foundation of the world and they had no faith.
Their good works are not the cause of their salvation, but the result of their faith.
The problem with having the gathering of the church (last trumpet) taking place at the 1335th day, is that it would put the living church through all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments which are the wrath of God and which believers within the church are not appointed to suffer.
Also, if you are equating the 7th trumpet with the last trumpet, they are completely different trumpets. The 7th trumpet is a part of the trumpet judgments of God's wrath, where the last trumpet is where the church is gathered, which takes place prior to God's wrath. These two trumpets have nothing to do with each other. It is important that we do not pigeonhole the word trumpet, applying it as being the same trumpet wherever the word appears. Someone at sometime, interpreted the last trumpet as being the 7th trumpet, which is false.
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The sheep/goat judgement to me is to the nations ( gentiles ) Mat 25:32. They are all unrighteous because the resurrection has been over for some years. I do see it based on works because they are living inside the day of the lord. The jews fleeing Jerusalem is represented by jesus.
16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
No righteous ones by faith here
16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
No righteous ones by faith here