If smoking ciggerettes was around at the time of Jesus would it have been classed a sin

[Rosemaryx]

well your only young yet, but still because you have none yet, is that a good basis for giving advice on vapor pens our ok ? and can you see into your lungs

I am 6 young in my Lord , and I am no spring chicken in my natural life , I am 60 yrs old...

When I smoked , I had bad coughs all the time , and chest infections , breath tests to show I had bad lungs , now my lungs are healthy , and since vaping , I have not suffered one chest infection , nor bronchitis , and yes , I have had a full scan on my body , and have no lung issues...
All the glory to God I say...

 

[Rosemaryx]

When Judging a brother of sin, you need to remember the root cause of sin, which is temptation.
Temptation is a sin from the devil mostly. This is very important to recognise that falling for temptation is absolutely so cruel in the case of starting smoking for anybody. Many many thousands of children are smoking cigarettes and have more than likely been tricked by evil to start smoking, the sad part is they dont see it as a sin.

The good and wonderful news is that JESUS died for all US wretched sinners , because each person born is a sinner , and Jesus died for such sinners...
You have a HUGE log in both of your eyes...

 

[laymen]

I doubt anyone would argue that stopping smoking will benefit your health and that smoking causes serious harm to your health. That is a no-brainer. The issue is whether or not you WANT to quit.

There are two types of people. People who want to quit, do. People who don't want to quit, try.

If you make the decision you actually want to quit, then just do it and move on with your life.

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Have you ever been a smoker??

 

[HisKid]

I am 6 young in my Lord , and I am no spring chicken in my natural life , I am 60 yrs old...

When I smoked , I had bad coughs all the time , and chest infections , breath tests to show I had bad lungs , now my lungs are healthy , and since vaping , I have not suffered one chest infection , nor bronchitis , and yes , I have had a full scan on my body , and have no lung issues...
All the glory to God I say...

A 60-year-old vaping? That's quite a visual.

 

[HisKid]

Have you ever been a smoker??

I wouldn't label anyone as "a smoker". It's not an identity. Yes, I did smoke cigarettes for several years.

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[Rosemaryx]

@de-emerald ...
It is a few hours I believe since I made that post that I directed at you about having two logs in your eyes , and to be honest , that remark does not sit to well with me , and I want to apologizes and ask for your forgiveness...

I want to ask you also please , can you not tag my name in future post , unless you are responding to something I have wrote , and thank you in advance...

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Thank-you for the encouragement, I need it, thank-you. I just managed 20 minutes on an exercise bike it was so much easier than the last time I tried it, I was smoking then. I haven't had any of what you said yet. Im 21 days almost without a cigarette and i have found it mostly easy with the aid of nicotine patches. At the moment I'm ON the lowest dose patch which is 7 ml, I have 7 days left on 7 ml patches, and then its cold turkey, but i figure it should be easy as the 7lm patches is hardly anything at all, I've done the drop from 14 ml quite easily last week to 7 ml, so all in all quite good. But i couldn't understand why I had the most severe craving last night after 3 weeks.

It seems to have passed now, I'm so determined now after 3 weeks i don't want to slip up, so i am developing more and more will power, last night i had a demonic spirit tempting me over and over again to have one, and this morning will power a fruit of the Holy Spirit shone through, it was a breeze and I felt the power of demonic spirit go to absolutely nothing i saw it to. So I thought I would make a journal here and share my experience with fellow Christians

I see, sorry I haven't read all of the thread or I might have understood you were using nicotine patches.
When I did it, I went cold turkey. You won't be over the physical addiction if you still have nicotine in your system.
That is probably why you experienced such a severe craving recently. Still, carry on. It's worth it eventually.
One thing you can do to encourage yourself is to think about all the wonga you are saving. I did.
Add it up over the weeks & months.

I found the habit harder to break than the withdrawal simply because it lasted longer. It was a few months before I went through an entire day from morning to bed time without thinking about tobacco. Once that happened it was better.
Life is better without that dependency. Keep going with God.

 

[Rockson]

I smoked many years ago. I struggled with believing I ever could stop but I did and as for me it was when I became a Christian I had the ability to do it.

I took the scripture about taking up my cross and following Jesus Matt 16:24 and pretended in my mind that my longing for cigarettes' was the pain of taking up my cross and never, ever would I throw down my cross. I was going to work through the process one step at a time.... step after step and work through the period of time necessary no matter how long it'd be....and I did. The longing for cigarettes finally left me and I'm been free from it for over 45 years.

I've tried to encourage people who feel they can't quit they tried. I tell them they can and I'll prove it I ask if someone said to you I'm going to give you a million dollars if you quit smoking now would you be able to do it? They say quickly, "Ok course I'd quit. There'd be no question. That would be the last day I had a smoke!" I then tell them that shows you can then right......so it's not about ability....it's about motivation. So all you've got to think is a life without smoke and tar building up in your lungs is WORTH MORE than a million dollars. In my opinion it surely is.

 

[de-emerald]

@de-emerald if you had come here in an humble mode instead of the way you came,you would have found MUCH ENCOURAGEMENT and help.

Please forgive any antagonistic words I wrote.
God made us to be overcomers in him and he does not fail.

I had a problem once that I took to the Lord and he spoke his word to me...as your faith so be it unto you.

Struggles take our mind off what we need to think on. Be strong for it is NOT by might nor by power but by the Spirit of the Lord!

I Honestly have no idea what your talking about, unless I go back and reread the entire thread. I may have answered some peoples post who thought I was being Judgmental, personally tho being humble is a star quality and a mood that suits the occasion. There is a time to be humble and a time when being humble will just be rejected, certainly by somebody who has decided your judging them or has gone a tad bit moody you know, then to say a brother is not being humble enough in this type of situation is just a bit unreasonable to be honest, personally tho you wouldn't want to inflame the situation, and you wouldn't want to leave yourself wide open, and offer somebody humbleness who is going to disregard that star quality at that moment, as then we go into a discussion of who is humble and who isn't, it wouldn't be fair for me to say I was humble, and you should have noticed I was humble when you were moody, (because when people get moody there is so much they forget) you know I don't want to test somebody that way it wouldn't be fair. But its unfortunate that sometimes we do this, but what you should do is not automatically think somebody else is not recognizing your star qualities when their moody, perhaps we should not fire back when people are moody with you, and you feel they haven't recognized one of your good morals, but all said in done this happens.
Antagonizing an already inflamed situation is something we all should try to avoid, I think or should I say recognize, maybe i have been guilty of not recognizing this sooner my self you know.

I do feel tho since i have had more oxygen to my brain since not smoking i seem to be recognizing so much more lately, but now I have come to realize that i may have made people think i was calling them a harlot for smoking, or perhaps some people now as they puff their cigarettes may think there a harlot as a result of what i said and possibly have become moody with me for that, but that certainly wasn't my intention you know.

I couldn't imagine thinking of my self as a harlot as I puff on a cigarette you know, but the reality is we could be sinning against our body and defiling our temple when we smoke nicotine, which is the same qualification as adultery, adultery is classed as defiling your temple and a sin against your own body, and then were told in the bible we become one with a harlot when we do this.

 

[de-emerald]

I smoked many years ago. I struggled with believing I ever could stop but I did and as for me it was when I became a Christian I had the ability to do it.

I took the scripture about taking up my cross and following Jesus Matt 16:24 and pretended in my mind that my longing for cigarettes' was the pain of taking up my cross and never, ever would I throw down my cross. I was going to work through the process one step at a time.... step after step and work through the period of time necessary no matter how long it'd be....and I did. The longing for cigarettes finally left me and I'm been free from it for over 45 years.

I've tried to encourage people who feel they can't quit they tried. I tell them they can and I'll prove it I ask if someone said to you I'm going to give you a million dollars if you quit smoking now would you be able to do it? They say quickly, "Ok course I'd quit. There'd be no question. That would be the last day I had a smoke!" I then tell them that shows you can then right......so it's not about ability....it's about motivation. So all you've got to think is a life without smoke and tar building up in your lungs is WORTH MORE than a million dollars. In my opinion it surely is.

Great accomplishment brother, I've heard many testimonies from people talk like you and heard many say the lord helped them to beat addiction, perhaps this is a good reason to believe that smoking or vaping nicotine is an addiction and a sin you know, As so many people say what you have mentioned, Other people would say no it is not God who tells you to quit smoking it is your conscience that does this, that tells you smoking is wrong,

I myself have heard people say no the law that's written on your heart convicts you and tells you smoking is not right, then people say the law only gets written on your heart once you become born again. Other people say god created good and evil, but I don't buy into that one too, I don't think the lord did create evil. Yes, the lord created the tobacco plant. But should it be called a tobacco plant, and was it created to be smoked ?

 

[de-emerald]

Glad to hear it. So, my suggestion is that you stop focusing on it. It reminds me of alcoholics anonymous meetings. The focus is always on the alcohol and "not drinking" anymore. This just keeps it alive in your mind. Since you have already made the definitive decision that you are done, start thinking about something else.

I understand where you're coming from, personally i think group meetings for discussing addiction is a great idea,

I can understand where you're coming from that it's best to avoid talking about drink whilst trying to beat addiction, but personally I think the enemy will remind people over and over again anyway. So perhaps it's best to have group meetings whereby every one talks, What you are talking about is like going to an island and becoming Robinson Crusoe, or Forrest Gump lol. it's not going to happen, the reminders are everywhere, its happened so many times to me that, I've quit then I bump into someone who smokes or see someone smoking, and then I'm off smoking again. I think it's best to face it head on, you know see it and say no to it every time etc , I think if you go into the mind set that the only way to beat addiction is to avoid it by not seeing it or talking about it, as soon as you see it you will not avoid it

 

[HisKid]

I understand where you're coming from, personally i think group meetings for discussing addiction is a great idea,

I can understand where you're coming from that it's best to avoid talking about drink whilst trying to beat addiction, but personally I think the enemy will remind people over and over again anyway. So perhaps it's best to have group meetings whereby every one talks, What you are talking about is like going to an island and becoming Robinson Crusoe, or Forrest Gump lol. it's not going to happen, the reminders are everywhere, its happened so many times to me that, I've quit then I bump into someone who smokes or see someone smoking, and then I'm off smoking again. I think it's best to face it head on, you know see it and say no to it every time etc , I think if you go into the mind set that the only way to beat addiction is to avoid it by not seeing it or talking about it, as soon as you see it you will not avoid it

We disagree on this point. Obviously you will be exposed to cigarettes and people smoking, but if you have already made your decision, then move on. You don't have to be tempted to smoke. I think the temptation comes only because you are still considering it in the back of your mind. Talking about smoking with others in fact keeps it in the forefront of your mind. You should set your mind on something else.

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[de-emerald]

@de-emerald ...
It is a few hours I believe since I made that post that I directed at you about having two logs in your eyes , and to be honest , that remark does not sit to well with me , and I want to apologizes and ask for your forgiveness...

I want to ask you also please , can you not tag my name in future post , unless you are responding to something I have wrote , and thank you in advance...

@Rosemaryx
That ok rosemary I just laughed to be honest, honestly I pictured these two great big logs both my eyes and wondered what i could do with them lol. Then i wondered if I had said anything wrong you know, honestly if I've upset you I'm sorry, I've been pulling my hair out lately. It's not easy to handle criticism at times you know,

Personally tho please don't be offended by this, but I've smelt a vapor pen to lately, and it stinks, all the other people who don't smoke and smell vapor pens all say the same thing that they stink, I'm worried about that for you, because normally you know the thumb of rule is if something stinks you should avoid it, but smokers cant smell the stink of it. This is the reason why people say smokers put themselves in a funny farm.

I've had quite a few encounters with those vapor pens tho, one of my friends as got a giant one, he's on it all the time with a high strength one you know, he's super addicted to it.

There's vegable glycerin in the vapor pen fluid to that is causing concern, I truly have my concerns about this, and it put me off buying one,

The report is While vegetable glycerin is considered to be safe for eating, drinking or applying to the skin, it has not been thoroughly assessed for safety in smoking or vaping. Flavorings and coloring are usually food-grade, but there is not enough research to determine if these are safe to inhale.

thats one caution and there are others you know like Electronic cigarettes, or e-cigarettes, put nicotine into your lungs and bloodstream. And they do it without the smoke and tar of a regular cigarette. But other harmful things can get into your body when you vape. That's especially true if you use flavored cigarettes.

i know people are under the illusion that the nicotine turns to steam when they vapor it in the pen, and it doesnt still get on your lungs and stuff but it does and its very sticky. nictone can still clog blood arteries causing plaque build up etc.

 

[Rockson]

Great accomplishment brother, I've heard many testimonies from people talk like you and heard many say the lord helped them to beat addiction, perhaps this is a good reason to believe that smoking or vaping nicotine is an addiction and a sin you know, As so many people say what you have mentioned, Other people would say no it is not God who tells you to quit smoking it is your conscience that does this, that tells you smoking is wrong,

First many say God told me this or God told me that and I don't even mind someone saying that but I never let a mere statement like that establish a belief that they have to be right. But then again how can somebody claim it's not possible God didn't tell them to do or not do a certain thing. I'd say it would be presumptuous to lay claim one knows as an absolute they didn't hear from God. Mary in the Bible being told by an angel she as a virgin was going to have a child is an example. Many would claim NOT POSSIBLE that God told you that! Never would he do that! I'd say NEVER say NEVER. God might surprise you.

Let's imagine certain things. Let's say a young lady is praying for a spouse. She prays, "Lord you said you'll give me the desires of my heart and I pray he'll be a good man who loves you and Lord by the way.....please don't let him be a smoker! I grew up with parents who smoked and I don't want to live with that all my life!" So God acts upon the woman's prayer to make sure that's the case but he actually does want Person A to be her spouse....but he does smoke. Who are we to say God couldn't tell such a one to stop smoking? As I say presumptuous for one to claim he couldn't or wouldn't.

Let's imagine this. Let's even say God isn't calling smoking sin. However God is wanting always to develop their servant where they're not being hindered. Let's say they're even in ministry. If such one stays smoking their fellow ministers in fellowship might have a dim view and not show them any great respect due to the fact that they smoke. Could they be wrong thinking this way? Doesn't matter. They do. And because they do it can potentially hinder that said minister from having any influence in a city wide group of ministers. Or say a member of their congregation who needs counsel and direction.

Within such a one they think why listen to them.....they're sinning by smoking so what can they know. Are they really sinning though? Doesn't matter. That's the perception and because it is that way it's becoming a hinderance for that person having influence. So in a context like that God could say to one, "Stop smoking!" To say God couldn't say that again is presumptuous. And God has a lot of ways of thinking about something outside of it even being sin or not. Other factors come into play. Now let's say this. If God did speak to a person to stop smoking for whatever reason and they KNOW it was God.....and if they don't obey that leading....then YES....for them smoking has become sin. They're now in disobedience to the leading of God.

 

[de-emerald]

First many say God told me this or God told me that and I don't even mind someone saying that but I never let a mere statement like that establish a belief that they have to be right. But then again how can somebody claim it's not possible God didn't tell them to do or not do a certain thing. I'd say it would be presumptuous to lay claim one knows as an absolute they didn't hear from God. Mary in the Bible being told by an angel she as a virgin was going to have a child is an example. Many would claim NOT POSSIBLE that God told you that! Never would he do that! I'd say NEVER say NEVER. God might surprise you.

Let's imagine certain things. Let's say a young lady is praying for a spouse. She prays, "Lord you said you'll give me the desires of my heart and I pray he'll be a good man who loves you and Lord by the way.....please don't let him be a smoker! I grew up with parents who smoked and I don't want to live with that all my life!" So God acts upon the woman's prayer to make sure that's the case but he actually does want Person A to be her spouse....but he does smoke. Who are we to say God couldn't tell such a one to stop smoking? As I say presumptuous for one to claim he couldn't or wouldn't.

Let's imagine this. Let's even say God isn't calling smoking sin. However God is wanting always to develop their servant where they're not being hindered. Let's say they're even in ministry. If such one stays smoking their fellow ministers in fellowship might have a dim view and not show them any great respect due to the fact that they smoke. Could they be wrong thinking this way? Doesn't matter. They do. And because they do it can potentially hinder that said minister from having any influence in a city wide group of ministers. Or say a member of their congregation who needs counsel and direction.

Within such a one they think why listen to them.....they're sinning by smoking so what can they know. Are they really sinning though? Doesn't matter. That's the perception and because it is that way it's becoming a hinderance for that person having influence. So in a context like that God could say to one, "Stop smoking!" To say God couldn't say that again is presumptuous. And God has a lot of ways of thinking about something outside of it even being sin or not. Other factors come into play. Now let's say this. If God did speak to a person to stop smoking for whatever reason and they KNOW it was God.....and if they don't obey that leading....then YES....for them smoking has become sin. They're now in disobedience to the leading of God.

well its one example was all i was saying why smoking could be a sin. , but i dont know how you feel about smoking being a sin ? heres many more reason why smoking could be a sin

WARNING: Tobacco smoke can harm your children.
WARNING: Tobacco smoke causes fatal lung disease in nonsmokers.
WARNING: Smoking causes head and neck cancer.
WARNING: Smoking causes bladder cancer, which can lead to bloody urine.
WARNING: Smoking during pregnancy stunts fetal growth.
WARNING: Smoking can cause heart disease and strokes by clogging arteries.
WARNING: Smoking causes COPD, a lung disease that can be fatal.
WARNING: Smoking reduces blood flow, which can cause erectile dysfunction.
WARNING: Smoking reduces blood flow to the limbs, which can require amputation.
WARNING: Smoking causes type 2 diabetes, which raises blood sugar.
WARNING: Smoking causes age-related macular degeneration, which can lead to blindness.
WARNING: Smoking causes cataracts, which can lead to blindness.
WARNING: Smoking causes anxiety.

 

[HisKid]

well its one example was all i was saying why smoking could be a sin. , but i dont know how you feel about smoking being a sin ? heres many more reason why smoking could be a sin

WARNING: Tobacco smoke can harm your children.
WARNING: Tobacco smoke causes fatal lung disease in nonsmokers.
WARNING: Smoking causes head and neck cancer.
WARNING: Smoking causes bladder cancer, which can lead to bloody urine.
WARNING: Smoking during pregnancy stunts fetal growth.
WARNING: Smoking can cause heart disease and strokes by clogging arteries.
WARNING: Smoking causes COPD, a lung disease that can be fatal.
WARNING: Smoking reduces blood flow, which can cause erectile dysfunction.
WARNING: Smoking reduces blood flow to the limbs, which can require amputation.
WARNING: Smoking causes type 2 diabetes, which raises blood sugar.
WARNING: Smoking causes age-related macular degeneration, which can lead to blindness.
WARNING: Smoking causes cataracts, which can lead to blindness.
WARNING: Smoking causes anxiety.

Anything we do that is not perfect and misses the mark of perfection is sin. So, one could easily surmise that everything we do every day of our lives is sin.

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[de-emerald]

Anything we do that is not perfect and misses the mark of perfection is sin. So, one could easily surmise that everything we do every day of our lives is sin.

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defiling your own body is not just anything this is a very important matter and in the bible it classed as verry searious and more seariouse than most sins, theres also the chance of leaving a loved one in sorrow prematurely if you die, then theres also the fact that smoking nicotene controls your nature.
then theres all the other warnings, i dont think you should just brush it of as anything, you know

Since smoking is an addiction, it certainly enslaves the smoker. The Bible states: "Whoever perpetrates a sin is a slave of that sin". Today we see how smoking holds every smoker in slavery, whether a young person, a man or a woman, youth or adult. This is clear in the fact that every smoker finds it very hard to quit

 

[HisKid]

defiling your own body is not just anything this is a very important matter and in the bible it classed as verry searious and more seariouse than most sins, theres also the chance of leaving a loved one in sorrow prematurely if you die, then theres also the fact that smoking nicotene controls your nature.
then theres all the other warnings, i dont think you should just brush it of as anything, you know

Since smoking is an addiction, it certainly enslaves the smoker. The Bible states: "Whoever perpetrates a sin is a slave of that sin". Today we see how smoking holds every smoker in slavery, whether a young person, a man or a woman, youth or adult. This is clear in the fact that every smoker finds it very hard to quit

Smoking isn't any more serious a sin than any other sin aside from blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

This is your issue. If you want to make smoking a more serious sin than all other sin, then you can, but that is not biblical.

Please don't try to push your own personal feelings as truth.

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[tourist]

We disagree on this point. Obviously you will be exposed to cigarettes and people smoking, but if you have already made your decision, then move on. You don't have to be tempted to smoke. I think the temptation comes only because you are still considering it in the back of your mind. Talking about smoking with others in fact keeps it in the forefront of your mind. You should set your mind on something else.

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Setting my mind on something else works for me.

 

[de-emerald]

Smoking isn't any more serious a sin than any other sin aside from blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

This is your issue. If you want to make smoking a more serious sin than all other sin, then you can, but that is not biblical.

Please don't try to push your own personal feelings as truth.

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nope you're the one pushing your truth and personal feeling which isn't biblical. you've pushed an agenda all the way through this thread that me and others are judging you've instigated way too much here in this thread and got away with it,? I've just shown you smoking is a sin, and it's a sin that ruins health, you want to class smoking as no less of a sin than other sin, which is totally wrong. Smoking is not just a sin that ruins health, it's also a drug that controls your nature which affects the fruits of the spirit

Whoever perpetrates a sin is a slave of that sin"