If smoking ciggerettes was around at the time of Jesus would it have been classed a sin

[Gideon300]

Its like fear, some cry and others laugh, all thoughts can be like and dislike, that is for learning judge will come back and judge yourself by thoughts. nothing can hurt spirit we all have that ability to say I AM, now the body gets effected by our thoughts, healthy can get cancer and die young, they created by believing good and bad, and some don't worry about any of it, they know death is not a victory and laughed at by our spirit that knows what grace and love can defeat any fear or any evil created by thoughts. the earthy body does return to dust, .

Hi all dear brother and sisters. If smoking ciggerettes was classed as a sin, would you obey that law ?

Firstly there is no mention of smoking ciggerettes in our bible, so i can only assume they where not invented then.

However i need to ask the question, why is adultery the only sin you can commit against your own body.

KJ21
Flee fornication. Every other sin which a man doeth is outside the body, but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.


I have a strong belief that the five sences of the body all get defiled and polluted when you smoke cigerettes, thus making smoking ciggerettes a sin against the body (the flesh) which then gives a demon the ability to possess the flesh of the body. would this be the same for adultery,

You are wrong. Btw, Did your spell checker not work?

It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles, it is the words that come from the heart - that's according to Jesus. (Matthew 15:11). You've just condemned some the most influential and godly men in history, Charles Spurgeon for one. I have never smoked by the way. I don't pretend to like it and I would encourage people to quit, as I did with my daughter. It's a waste of money.

It is a natural issue. Some people are unaffected by smoking. Some who have never smoked suffer lung cancer. Satan is the source of all sickness and disease.

 

[Gideon300]

I would read post 196, and then ask your question again. post 196 came befor your question, and it answers your question, and proves without a shadow of a doubt that smoking is number 1 temptatation from the devil and number 2 sin, number 3 living in sin, number 4 being married to the harlot.

Did you preach to 23,000 people at the age of 23? If so, I might take note of what you are saying. If not, I'd suggest that you rethink your attitude. Spurgeon was a smoker along with many other Christians. Spurgeon's habit did not seem to bother God. Why does it bother you?

 

[de-emerald]

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Hi to all you beautiful christians, may the joy of the lord be your strenght.


This is the place i love, a clean temple where the Holy Spirit dwells, A paradise and an eternal place of security full of riches, strength kindness self-control, Will power to do the right thing and will power to keep your temple clean and help your loved ones to keep their temple clean, the joys that follow as two people walk hand in hand as one in the body of Christ enjoying the fruits of his rich temple, filled with all those rich treasures, we enjoy the comfort of the Holy Spirit, fixing our concerns and our nature with self-control love peace communion joy will power wisdom, warning us of the enemy in advance and keeping us protected in his hedge. The richness of his kindness combined with the will power of self-control is a free gift that shines inside the clean temple of his beloved children like a star that shines in pure brilliant light in his kingdom that has no end. The kindness and willingness to stay in this temple and not lose sight becomes an anchor in the heart of the believer that knows the way and this anchor bounces up from the believers' heart when one of their loved ones is in danger of being snatched, The hope is you get there as quick as you can before sin has a chance to take root, where by your loved one is snatched and has become one with a harlot.
As you walk on by you realize in the case of one of your loved ones is addicted to nicotine they will only learn how bad nicotine is until they actually quit the consumption of nicotine.

I'm going to take a little time to help you see something really important.

Nicotine is just as addictive as heroin and cocaine. When a smoker don't get a fix of nicotine the nature in a persons body becomes restless irritated or bad-tempered even angry, which means the fruits of the spirit is no longer controlling that persons' nature, a very powerful drug called nicotine is. This is very important to understand just how dangerous that is. Because when the fruits of the spirit are no longer controlling a person nature. A person is in spiritual trouble. Temptation then is so much harder to overcome and nicotene is as strong as that. The will of a person is then broken.

This is also very important to spiritual well-being and the fruits of spirit working as they should do in the body. This is why Jesus tells us the body is a temple for the Holy Spirit.

Drug addiction of the most addictive type, like nicotine, is something that starts with temptation from the devil. Smoking nicotine is the devils' invention to separate a person from the fruits of the spirit, which protect a persons very nature. Nicotine takes control of a persons nature and is an artificial substance, all people will get angry if they smoke and don't get their fix. This does not happen to people born again who don't smoke. When a person is controlled by addiction to drugs as strong as nicotine then they can also be controlled by Satan because the fruits of the spirit are no longer controlling the person's nature and temperament, nicotine is.

The full reality is for a smoker to keep their nature under control is they have to keep smoking or go through 3 to six months of withdrawals such is the power of nicotine addiction that smokers have withdrawals for months. This means it's a serious drug addiction just like heroin and cocaine it seriously controls the body which is a temple that the Holy Spirit should be controlling

 

[gb9]

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Hi to all you beautiful christians, may the joy of the lord be your strenght.


This is the place i love, a clean temple where the Holy Spirit dwells, A paradise and an eternal place of security full of riches, strength kindness self-control, Will power to do the right thing and will power to keep your temple clean and help your loved ones to keep their temple clean, the joys that follow as two people walk hand in hand as one in the body of Christ enjoying the fruits of his rich temple, filled with all those rich treasures, we enjoy the comfort of the Holy Spirit, fixing our concerns and our nature with self-control love peace communion joy will power wisdom, warning us of the enemy in advance and keeping us protected in his hedge. The richness of his kindness combined with the will power of self-control is a free gift that shines inside the clean temple of his beloved children like a star that shines in pure brilliant light in his kingdom that has no end. The kindness and willingness to stay in this temple and not lose sight becomes an anchor in the heart of the believer that knows the way and this anchor bounces up from the believers' heart when one of their loved ones is in danger of being snatched, The hope is you get there as quick as you can before sin has a chance to take root, where by your loved one is snatched and has become one with a harlot.
As you walk on by you realize in the case of one of your loved ones is addicted to nicotine they will only learn how bad nicotine is until they actually quit the consumption of nicotine.

I'm going to take a little time to help you see something really important.

Nicotine is just as addictive as heroin and cocaine. When a smoker don't get a fix of nicotine the nature in a persons body becomes restless irritated or bad-tempered even angry, which means the fruits of the spirit is no longer controlling that persons' nature, a very powerful drug called nicotine is. This is very important to understand just how dangerous that is. Because when the fruits of the spirit are no longer controlling a person nature. A person is in spiritual trouble. Temptation then is so much harder to overcome and nicotene is as strong as that. The will of a person is then broken.

This is also very important to spiritual well-being and the fruits of spirit working as they should do in the body. This is why Jesus tells us the body is a temple for the Holy Spirit.

Drug addiction of the most addictive type, like nicotine, is something that starts with temptation from the devil. Smoking nicotine is the devils' invention to separate a person from the fruits of the spirit, which protect a persons very nature. Nicotine takes control of a persons nature and is an artificial substance, all people will get angry if they smoke and don't get their fix. This does not happen to people born again who don't smoke. When a person is controlled by addiction to drugs as strong as nicotine then they can also be controlled by Satan because the fruits of the spirit are no longer controlling the person's nature and temperament, nicotine is.

The full reality is for a smoker to keep their nature under control is they have to keep smoking or go through 3 to six months of withdrawals such is the power of nicotine addiction that smokers have withdrawals for months. This means it's a serious drug addiction just like heroin and cocaine it seriously controls the body which is a temple that the Holy Spirit should be controlling

is being diabetic a sin?

 

[de-emerald]

being diabetic is commonly caused by a person eating too much rich, sugary foods.

diabetes can be just as harmful as smoking side effects on the body.

so, since you say smoking or vaping is a sin, then would being diabetic also be a sin??

You're not a qualified doctor, so you should not act like one. Diabetes is a direct result of a misfunctioning pancreas. The body needs sugar to survive, the body does not need nicotine to survive. Diabetes is not self-inflicted, nicotine related illnesses for most part are.

Diabetes works in two ways the pancreas absorbs too much sugar from food and causes obesity, or the pancreas struggles to process not enough sugar from food, leading to you needing insulin.

 

[de-emerald]

is being diabetic a sin?

Your question is ridiculous, your saying if being diabetic is not a sin then niether is smoking drugs. totaly delusional thinking, diabetes is a not a sin. smoking nicotine is your own choice which defiles your body.

 

[tourist]

I guess It's just not serious then to be led astray as well, and we should accept that to,

I'm going to take a little time to help you see something really important.

Nicotine is just as addictive as heroin and cocaine. When a smoker don't get a fix of nicotine the nature in a persons body becomes restless irritated or bad-tempered even angry, which means the fruits of the spirit is no longer controlling that persons' nature, a very powerful drug called nicotine is. This is very important to understand just how dangerous that is. Because when the fruits of the spirit are no longer controlling a person nature. A person is in spiritual trouble. Temptation then is so much harder to overcome and nicotene is as strong as that. The will of a person is then broken.

This is also very important to spiritual well-being and the fruits of spirit working as they should do in the body. This is why Jesus tells us the body is a temple for the Holy Spirit.

Drug addiction of the most addictive type, like nicotine, is something that starts with temptation from the devil. Smoking nicotine is the devils' invention to separate a person from the fruits of the spirit, which protect a persons very nature. Nicotine takes control of a persons nature and is an artificial substance, all people will get angry if they smoke and don't get their fix. This does not happen to people born again who don't smoke. When a person is controlled by addiction to drugs as strong as nicotine then they can also be controlled by Satan because the fruits of the spirit are no longer controlling the person's nature and temperament, nicotine is.

The full reality is for a smoker to keep their nature under control is they have to keep smoking or go through 3 to six months of withdrawals such is the power of nicotine addiction that smokers have withdrawals for months. This means it's a serious drug addiction just like heroin and cocaine it seriously controls the body which is a temple that the Holy Spirit should be controlling

Having smoked for 50+ years I am fully aware of the hazards of smoking. Yes, nicotine is most addictive. The unhealthy aspects of smoking is the burning of the tobacco and paper as many poisons are created. This results in tar that is deposited into the lungs which then accumulates, destroying lung tissue and clogging air passages. Other parts of the body are also damaged due to lack of oxygen and the poisons being distributed.

I was never in denial about the danger of smoking and knew full well the deleterious aspects in regards to health. I started a thread 7 years ago called Midnight Confessions that is still going. In the OP I admitted that I was an addict. I have documented part of my journey of withdrawal in my Pain Management Clinic thread that has been running for over 7 years as well.

Currently, I am at the end of the 6 months of withdrawal that you have mentioned.

Yes, the body is the temple of the Lord. It also has been stated that what you consume does not make you unclean but rather what comes out of one's mouth.

I continue to pray for God to deliver me from the cravings and to keep me smoke free. I have also prayed for God to mitigate the damage I have caused to my body due to years of abuse by smoking. I have not asked for forgiveness because I don't believe that smoking is a sin. However, despite that, I do pray for all of my sins that I may have committed to be forgiven.

What I don't get is why people who smoke are given their own sinful designation by others, and that being 'smoker'. I guess that is equal to 'murderer', 'adulterer', and other such classifications of sinful behavior.

I appreciate your concern but as you can see this is not my first time around in regards to the hazards of smoking and now, by the grace of God and the prayers of my wife and family through the years, am now on the road to recovery.

This is my full reality of the situation as it exists today.

 

[Rockson]

Reminds me of a joke I once heard about cigarettes'. Somebody walks by and see someone smoking. They say, "Poor cigarette! Fire on one end, fool on the other!"

No offence, just a joke. I used to smoke myself as a teenager and God helped me give it up.

 

[tourist]

Reminds me of a joke I once heard about cigarettes'. Somebody walks by and see someone smoking. They say, "Poor cigarette! Fire on one end, fool on the other!"

No offence, just a joke. I used to smoke myself as a teenager and God helped me give it up.

You obvious saw the wisdom of nipping the problem in the bud. You made a wise choice.

 

[laymen]

...and yet I did this for 50 years. Smoke free since mid Feb though. Nicotine is horribly addictive. Still feeling the pain of withdrawal but each day I'm smoke-free is getting a little better. I can think of worse things that are a blight on humanity besides smoking.

When I quit it took about 3 months for the withdrawal to subside. then even 5 years into it, I would still sometimes have a craving out of the blue.

 

[de-emerald]

Having smoked for 50+ years I am fully aware of the hazards of smoking. Yes, nicotine is most addictive. The unhealthy aspects of smoking is the burning of the tobacco and paper as many poisons are created. This results in tar that is deposited into the lungs which then accumulates, destroying lung tissue and clogging air passages. Other parts of the body are also damaged due to lack of oxygen and the poisons being distributed.

I was never in denial about the danger of smoking and knew full well the deleterious aspects in regards to health. I started a thread 7 years ago called Midnight Confessions that is still going. In the OP I admitted that I was an addict. I have documented part of my journey of withdrawal in my Pain Management Clinic thread that has been running for over 7 years as well.

Currently, I am at the end of the 6 months of withdrawal that you have mentioned.

Yes, the body is the temple of the Lord. It also has been stated that what you consume does not make you unclean but rather what comes out of one's mouth.

I continue to pray for God to deliver me from the cravings and to keep me smoke free. I have also prayed for God to mitigate the damage I have caused to my body due to years of abuse by smoking. I have not asked for forgiveness because I don't believe that smoking is a sin. However, despite that, I do pray for all of my sins that I may have committed to be forgiven.

What I don't get is why people who smoke are given their own sinful designation by others, and that being 'smoker'. I guess that is equal to 'murderer', 'adulterer', and other such classifications of sinful behavior.

I appreciate your concern but as you can see this is not my first time around in regards to the hazards of smoking and now, by the grace of God and the prayers of my wife and family through the years, am now on the road to recovery.

This is my full reality of the situation as it exists today.

I could see a shining example in the start of your post here, you mentioned the smoking of paper and chemicals leave a tar build up in the body but didn't mention that the nicotine its self also sticks to the inner body, this is also why 6 months of withdrawals can happen, as the nicotine stays stuck to your inner lungs,



This is totally defiling your body, which is a temple for the Holy Spirit. Perhaps you base it as not a sin because you feel sorry for people who smoke and don't want to upset them, or and perhaps you don't class this as a sin because it is not written in the bible that smoking drugs is a sin,

Both points have valid reasoning to a point of reasoning only, and not absolute proof that smoking nicotine is a sin. For this we have to point out much more reasoning whereby we can not stand on just one type of reasoning, like you, I don't want to make people feel bad for smoking nicotine, but the full-blown reality here is smoking cigarettes could well be temptation from the devils' army, as it does defile ones body a lot worse than drinking coffee does or breathing in polluted air outside. Smoking nicotine is certainly more addictive of controlling your nature, but granted if i don't smell the fragrance of coffee first thing of a morning i may get a bit grumpy, but not grumpy in the sense i will start pulling my hair out or biting my tongue or feeling the need to go hunting like a vampire,, all tho some coffee addicts would say otherwise lol. But we shouldn't justify the lesser of two evils to make one evil exempt. Not that I'm saying drinking coffee is evil, lol. But people seem to be doing that here.

I dont get what youve wrote here,,,,, What I don't get is why people who smoke are given their own sinful designation by others, and that being 'smoker'. I guess that is equal to 'murderer', 'adulterer', and other such classifications of sinful behavior.


could you explain what your saying here above ?

now if your comparing sin i would suggest whether smoking is a sin against your body like adultery is. when it comes to being one with a harlot then that sin must be worse than most sin.

 

[de-emerald]

Reminds me of a joke I once heard about cigarettes'. Somebody walks by and see someone smoking. They say, "Poor cigarette! Fire on one end, fool on the other!"

No offence, just a joke. I used to smoke myself as a teenager and God helped me give it up.

smoking cigarette is no joking matter.

 

[tourist]

I dont get what youve wrote here,,,,, What I don't get is why people who smoke are given their own sinful designation by others, and that being 'smoker'. I guess that is equal to 'murderer', 'adulterer', and other such classifications of sinful behavior.

People are singled out just because they happen to smoke as being sinful. Seems judgemental as well as hypocritical.

 

[de-emerald]

People are singled out just because they happen to smoke as being sinful. Seems judgemental as well as hypocritical.

No my friend that's how people feel, but granted if people are doing that which i am not then that is wrong to a degree. To another degree tho, i know in my heart that smoking cigarettes is a temptation from a harlot i have heard over and over again, and not my own imagination, or my own thoughts, now that needs to be singled out, and if a smoker feels singled out because of that then i can not be held responsible for that.

 

[tourist]

No my friend that's how people feel, but granted if people are doing that which i am not then that is wrong to a degree. To another degree tho, i know in my heart that smoking cigarettes is a temptation from a harlot i have heard over and over again, and not my own imagination, or my own thoughts, now that needs to be singled out, and if a smoker feels singled out because of that then i can not be held responsible for that.

It's all good brother. Let's go in peace.

 

[de-emerald]

It's all good brother. Let's go in peace.

im doing my best really i am, all tho i did allmost pull the last of my hair out last night. and felt addiction like never befor, last night was day 20 without a puff of nicotene and a harlot really went to work on my poor little head last night, last night was the worst crave i had in the whole 20 days of me not having a puff.

yup you to go brother go in peace but please do come back i need this forum keeping going to help me quit.

 

[tourist]

im doing my best really i am, all tho i did allmost pull the last of my hair out last night. and felt addiction like never befor, last night was day 20 without a puff of nicotene and a harlot really went to work on my poor little head last night, last night was the worst crave i had in the whole 20 days of me not having a puff.

yup you to go brother go in peace but please do come back i need this forum keeping going to help me quit.

I will pray for your struggle in overcoming addiction. I will say though that 20 days without a puff is most impressive. I have an understanding on how hard this is and believe me when I say that I feel your pain.

 

[laymen]

He would be an outcast. Of course, He already was an outcast to start with. God did create tobacco though.

He made the tree of good and evil too.

 

[Poinsetta]

 

[laymen]

The thing is with addiction in general you become a slave to something.

Paul talks about this when speaking on moderation.

Everything in moderation. If it comes to a point when you no longer have self control then you are made a slave to this.

Even moderation can lead to full blown addiction so its just better to stay away if at all possible