Is it too late?

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Come out from among them and be ye separate, and touch not the unclean thing.

Since those who go off the rails generally refuse to repent, the only option for true and faithful believers is to separate themselves and meet with like-minded believers in homes or any other suitable setting.

The important thing is to base all doctrine and practice strictly on the Bible, and preach the true and full Gospel of Christ -- which is also the Gospel of the Kingdom. Christ will indeed establish His visiblr eternal Kingdom on earth at the right time. In the meantime, the Kingdom of God is within you (as Christ said).

According to Revelation 1:5-6 Christ has already established his kingdom here on Earth.

Revelation 1:5-6
To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood, who has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father— to Him be the glory and power forever and ever! Amen.

This kingdom is the church. The church is visible.

Matthew 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell[c] shall not prevail against it.

Christ tells us that he will build his church (his kingdom) and that it will prevail on this Earth.

This was foretold in Amos 9:15

Amos 9:15
I will plant them on their land,
and they shall never again be uprooted
out of the land that I have given them,”
says the Lord your God.

On Earth the OT kingdom of Israel under the throne of David is now the NT church that is under the Head, which is Christ who sits on the throne of David. The church has prevailed for 2000 yrs.

 

[ResidentAlien]

One last point I'd like to make. All these things you point out are true, but then what do we do? These things you point out can create fear for the believer. And yet we are not to fear.

And so how do we battle and stand against these fearful things you point out?

1 John 4:18
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

We have to speak the truth in love. We can't ignore the obvious; we have to tell what we see and know. The enemy's oldest trick in the book is to make us doubt what is as plain as the nose on your face to keep us quiet.

But you're right, we have no need to fear; those who oppose the Lord should have a healthy dose of fear however.

Because we see all these things happening we have all the more reason to trust in Him. And yes, we must pray for those caught up in it.

 

[ResidentAlien]

What I'm wondering is: If the Protestant reformation is over, does that mean we're now all Catholics again? Or have the Catholics become Lutherans?

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

We have to speak the truth in love. We can't ignore the obvious; we have to tell what we see and know. The enemy's oldest trick in the book is to make us doubt what is as plain as the nose on your face to keep us quiet.

But you're right, we have no need to fear; those who oppose the Lord should have a healthy dose of fear however.

Because we see all these things happening we have all the more reason to trust in Him. And yes, we must pray for those caught up in it.

We have to tell and see what we know. But who will listen?

Here is one error I noticed, but I have no one to tell, because no one cares.

Red Pointsettias under the communion table.

Red pointsettias became popular in culture after a miracle took place in mexico beneath the altar of a catholic church, where these beautiful red flowers miraculously sprouted underneath the sacrificial altar.
In OT fresh blood of the sacrificed animal was poured at the base of the altar. Now these poinsettias symbolize fresh blood being poured at the base of the altar. Thus [false] miracle affirms the perpetual re-sacrificing of Christ on the altar.
https://thereseborchard.com/2018/12/13/the-miracle-of-the-poinsettia/

https://worksheetsplus.com/Christmas/XmasPoinsettia.html

In the accounts the Nativity scene (with baby jesus as central) was on the altar and the red flowers miraculously sprouted at the base of the altar, symbolizing fresh blood spilled at the base of the altar from a sacrifice.

We should establish that Christ's sacrifice was once for all and no altar or annual blood spilling is needed anymore. Thus why evangelical and congregational churches should have no sacrificial altar but only a communion table to celebrate in remembrance the lord's final sacrifice on the cross.

With the covid pandemic I have been able to watch many evangelical churches in my area on youtube or live stream, and they all decorate their front stages with pointsettias - every one of them - which is an honoring of this false miracle and signifies fresh blood from an annual sacrifice. Although no one knows or cares.
Some even put pointsettias under the communion table. They place other things such as small statutes of baby jesus (or a nativity scene) on the communion table too and an advent wreath (pagan) with purple next to the communion table almost converting the communion table into a sacrificial altar for the Christmas season.

But then is this of any real importance? Am I just nit picking and finding fault? Or is this a small part of the slow march back into Catholicism? You tell me.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Domenick Nati has an interview with Lauren Daigle on his YouTube channel, posted two years ago. Daigle had recently appeared on Ellen Degeneres' show, for which she took some heat. It doesn't surprise me she made the appearance though.

Nati asked Daigle: "Do you feel that homosexuality is a sin?"

Daigle's response: "You know, I can’t honestly answer on that, in the sense of I have too many people that I love that they are homosexuals, I can’t say one way or the other. I’m not God. So when people ask questions like that, that’s what my go-to is. I just say, ‘Read the Bible and find out for yourself. And when you find out let me know because I’m learning too.' "

I'm not surprised she said she doesn't know if homosexuality is a sin. To be as generous as possible, she honestly may not know. However, there's something else in this response that's more telling. She says, "that’s what my go-to is." In other words, she's been well-trained and coached on how to answer questions like these. You certainly can't offend anyone, that would be bad for business. Ellen might not invite you back. This is further proof of what contemporary worship music is all about, and it certainly isn't truth.

By using songs like this, churches all over the US (and the world probably) are praising Mammon, not Christ.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Yes, megachurches grow larger and larger; Christian conferences abound and grow more prolific every year; ecumenicism is on the rise; contemporary Christian music is bigger ($$$) and more popular now than ever. But is it for the good?

People like Rick Warren praise the pope (from "papa," Holy Father

), saying of Catholics in a tweet: "If you love Jesus, we may serve on different teams, but we're in the same league of receiving His grace and forgiveness"; Louie Giglio of Passion Church and his wife meeting and kissing the Pope. This is but the tip of the iceberg.

Church is nothing but big business. No one is accountable for sin. If someone is good for business they're in, regardless of whether they teach heresy or not. Formerly conservative preachers like John MacArthur have apparently swallowed the Kool-Aid.

Have we already gone over the cliff? If so, what should true and faithful believers do? You can't rebuke. People like Rick Warren are above rebuke. You can't rebuke the contemporary Christian music industry or their artists, they don't care, all they want is $$$ and more of it. If you try to warn people they'll tell you you're crazy.

I believe the time has come for worldly christianity (lower case intentional) to be exposed for what it is. Much of what's going on is deliberately designed to cater to the younger generation. A whole generation is growing up thinking this is what Christianity is.

I didn't spend a lot of time on this post so it may not be that eloquent; it's a heartfelt plea that hopefully the Lord will use for some good.

it’s always been the same way the world hears truth and then they begin to alter and distort the message to allow for the world to fit into where we’re being taken out of the worldly things

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭

that’s happened long ago it’s why when someone preached the thkngs jesus taught most reject it for various reasons they have been led away from the truth
By false doctrines and teachers

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s happened long ago and continues today it’s just gotten bigger with more distortions the thing that we need to hear is what Jesus came to teach that’s the truth and the reason he came

“Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Satans work in the earth now is this

“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-4‬ ‭

so his device is the same as in the beginning a false doctrine and teaching about the fruit and many hear him and reject the truth of Jesus Christ that saves

 

[oyster67]

If so, what should true and faithful believers do?

Just keep obeying and preaching like Jeremiah did. They won't be able to say they were not warned. Warn the Warrens.

 

[oyster67]

Daigle's response: "You know, I can’t honestly answer on that, in the sense of I have too many people that I love that they are homosexuals, I can’t say one way or the other. I’m not God.

God wants us to be His mouthpieces and spread His Word, regardless the cost. Apparently some have opted out. Thus saith the Lord...

Romans
1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

 

[ResidentAlien]

In this video, Kris Vallotton, the "chief prophet" at Bethel Church in Redding, California, makes an apology for getting it wrong when he predicted Trump would be elected to a second term. What, an apology??? Deuteronomy 18:20 gives us an idea of how seriously the Lord takes false prophecy: "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die." Wow.

But Vallotton wasn't the only false prophet who predicted a Trump second term. I am utterly astounded at the chutzpah Vallotton has to even show his face in public again. I'm equally astounded at those who will actually accept his apology and carry on like nothing's happened.

I casually predicted Trump's selection of Paula White as his spiritual adviser could cost him a second term. I wasn't trying to prophesy, it was just an offhand comment.

I think the 12 step culture has so infected the church that now even false prophets can make an apology to those who they've harmed and all will be made okay.

 

[Aaron56]

I know of one prophet who predicted something that did not take place. His excuse was that "Sometimes God doesn't speak clearly". He died in a violent car crash shortly thereafter.

 

[HisKid]

Yes, megachurches grow larger and larger; Christian conferences abound and grow more prolific every year; ecumenicism is on the rise; contemporary Christian music is bigger ($$$) and more popular now than ever. But is it for the good?

People like Rick Warren praise the pope (from "papa," Holy Father

), saying of Catholics in a tweet: "If you love Jesus, we may serve on different teams, but we're in the same league of receiving His grace and forgiveness"; Louie Giglio of Passion Church and his wife meeting and kissing the Pope. This is but the tip of the iceberg.

Church is nothing but big business. No one is accountable for sin. If someone is good for business they're in, regardless of whether they teach heresy or not. Formerly conservative preachers like John MacArthur have apparently swallowed the Kool-Aid.

Have we already gone over the cliff? If so, what should true and faithful believers do? You can't rebuke. People like Rick Warren are above rebuke. You can't rebuke the contemporary Christian music industry or their artists, they don't care, all they want is $$$ and more of it. If you try to warn people they'll tell you you're crazy.

I believe the time has come for worldly christianity (lower case intentional) to be exposed for what it is. Much of what's going on is deliberately designed to cater to the younger generation. A whole generation is growing up thinking this is what Christianity is.

I didn't spend a lot of time on this post so it may not be that eloquent; it's a heartfelt plea that hopefully the Lord will use for some good.

Who is this "we" you speak of? Those you have mentioned are not part of the actual church. They are wolves. Worldly "christianity" isn't Christianity. Let's not lump the wicked in with the righteous, regardless of the label these wolves slap on themselves.

.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Who is this "we" you speak of? Those you have mentioned are not part of the actual church. They are wolves. Worldly "christianity" isn't Christianity. Let's not lump the wicked in with the righteous, regardless of the label these wolves slap on themselves.

.

There ya go, you answered your own question.

 

[Icedaisey]

Yes, megachurches grow larger and larger; Christian conferences abound and grow more prolific every year; ecumenicism is on the rise; contemporary Christian music is bigger ($$$) and more popular now than ever. But is it for the good?

People like Rick Warren praise the pope (from "papa," Holy Father

), saying of Catholics in a tweet: "If you love Jesus, we may serve on different teams, but we're in the same league of receiving His grace and forgiveness"; Louie Giglio of Passion Church and his wife meeting and kissing the Pope. This is but the tip of the iceberg.

Church is nothing but big business. No one is accountable for sin. If someone is good for business they're in, regardless of whether they teach heresy or not. Formerly conservative preachers like John MacArthur have apparently swallowed the Kool-Aid.

Have we already gone over the cliff? If so, what should true and faithful believers do? You can't rebuke. People like Rick Warren are above rebuke. You can't rebuke the contemporary Christian music industry or their artists, they don't care, all they want is $$$ and more of it. If you try to warn people they'll tell you you're crazy.

I believe the time has come for worldly christianity (lower case intentional) to be exposed for what it is. Much of what's going on is deliberately designed to cater to the younger generation. A whole generation is growing up thinking this is what Christianity is.

I didn't spend a lot of time on this post so it may not be that eloquent; it's a heartfelt plea that hopefully the Lord will use for some good.

Rick Warren's still at it? I haven't heard of him in quite some time. He's the "papa" of Chrislam. An effort he thought to undertake to codify and link Christianity with Islam. Long past legitimate as one who would dare refer to himself as "pastor".

God knows his own, his sheep. Wolves driving luxury cars, living in mega-million dollar mansions, boasting they need more money for more material possessions, don't fool God. Nor us. They're atheists fleecing the sheep who are too blind to see, but yet are deft enough to write a check.

Worry about your own soul. Not theirs. God see's them for what they are. 2020- https://moneyinc.com/richest-pastors-in-the-world/

Mega rich false pastors

 

[ResidentAlien]

Rick Warren's still at it? I haven't heard of him in quite some time. He's the "papa" of Chrislam. An effort he thought to undertake to codify and link Christianity with Islam. Long past legitimate as one who would dare refer to himself as "pastor".

God knows his own, his sheep. Wolves driving luxury cars, living in mega-million dollar mansions, boasting they need more money for more material possessions, don't fool God. Nor us. They're atheists fleecing the sheep who are too blind to see, but yet are deft enough to write a check.

Worry about your own soul. Not theirs. God see's them for what they are. 2020- https://moneyinc.com/richest-pastors-in-the-world/

Mega rich false pastors

I'm not worried about their souls! I'm concerned for all those caught in their orbit; those who may sincerely be looking for truth.

It's interesting you should mention "atheists." There's a documentary film Marjoe, released in 1972, that follows the life of the charismatic evangelist Marjoe Gortner. He made the film to expose the financial fraud of the charismatic and healing evangelists. In it, Gortner admits he wasn't even a believer! After the release of Marjoe, Gortner, not surprisingly, became a movie actor.

 

[HisKid]

I'm not worried about their souls! I'm concerned for all those caught in their orbit; those who may sincerely be looking for truth.

It's interesting you should mention "atheists." There's a documentary film Marjoe, released in 1972, that follows the life of the charismatic evangelist Marjoe Gortner. He made the film to expose the financial fraud of the charismatic and healing evangelists. In it, Gortner admits he wasn't even a believer! After the release of Marjoe, Gortner, not surprisingly, became a movie actor.

People don't get caught in an orbit they don't want to be caught in. Anyone who is sincerely looking for truth will find it and will run from those people as fast as they can. Trust in the Lord. HE says that if we seek Him we will indeed find Him.

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[ResidentAlien]

People don't get caught in an orbit they don't want to be caught in. Anyone who is sincerely looking for truth will find it and will run from those people as fast as they can.

Seriously? You're just messin' with me now, right?

 

[Justified]

It could be simply a greeting. I would notot do such a thing but ......................

No. When you kiss the ring of the pope you are saying that he is your superior, your lord. You are showing total submission to him.

 

[HisKid]

Seriously? You're just messin' with me now, right?

Of course I'm not messing with you. It's what the Lord says.
Jeremiah 29:13
“And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.”

People like to have their ears tingled and their egos stroked. People are where they want to be. They are not victims, they are willing participants.

 

[HisKid]

No. When you kiss the ring of the pope you are saying that he is your superior, your lord. You are showing total submission to him.

Yes, they are agreeing with his own description of himself, Holy Father. Repulsive.

.

 

[Icedaisey]

I'm not worried about their souls! I'm concerned for all those caught in their orbit; those who may sincerely be looking for truth.

It's interesting you should mention "atheists." There's a documentary film Marjoe, released in 1972, that follows the life of the charismatic evangelist Marjoe Gortner. He made the film to expose the financial fraud of the charismatic and healing evangelists. In it, Gortner admits he wasn't even a believer! After the release of Marjoe, Gortner, not surprisingly, became a movie actor.

Have you looked up Gortner on the Internet Movie Data Base? (IMDB) https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0331374/

I don't worry about people in the orbit of frauds like Joyce Meyer, Paula White, Creflow A Dollar , John Hagee, Robert Tilton, Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, John Grey (who bought his wife a Lamborghini to apologize for committing adultery) , and the rest.

God knows his own. He'll bring them out of their orbit because those he calls will see the fraud$ for what they are and flee.
And no matter what, those fake mammon worshiping frauds will never have an armored car following their hearse to the cemetery. Though I would love to see a former parishioner who knew them for what they were hire one to do that.