Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people

[Mem]

be-dazzled,

Has a lie crept into our Bible?
No, but false teachers of the bible are always trying to slither in confuse our understanding of it.

Does God allow demons to torment people?
Proverbs 16:4-5 says, "God has made everything for his purpose-even the wicked for the day of disaster, Everyone who is proud in heart is detestable to the LORD, be assured that he will not go unpunished..." and
Isaiah 45:7 says, "I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things."

Are these the next books you would have us throw out as lies?

Is it possible that the lies of Satan has tricked people in the Bible, about how God is in person?
Job is a perfect example of how God is in person, and so a perfect example of the Jesus. It may confuse some that any righteous man would suffer, but what qualifies Job's righteousness is demonstrated (i.e., de-monstrated) by Job humbling himself before the LORD in Job 40:4 saying, "Behold, I am insignificant. How can I reply to You? I place my hand over my mouth." And this pleased the LORD, more than those three 'friends' who thought they were 'defending' the LORD.

And, in another example of the demarcation of righteousness, Abraham demonstrated his faith in the LORD by killing Isaac (even if it turned out that he actually did only in his heart).

Would you have us discredit as a lie this scripture account as well?

 

[AandW]

Ok you base this on one scripture saying all scripture is from God in timothy, this is the truth that your using this argument to be the truth of all scripture. its a bit of a floor.. because if i was to use many other scriptures to apply the same reasoning, then where would we be ? (like if i just took any one scripture and said this is how you should view the whole bible.)
Theres no doubt that God tells the truth about lies in the bible. but does that make it holy spirit inspired. the lies that is. if everyone shared this point of view would the Jews have treated Jesus the way they did.

Do you read the Bible?

If you do, do you gain knowledge from the historic peoples viewpoint and from God's viewpoint?

So, we are seeing God and creation being able to give examples of how life was in those days to relate to how life is in our modern day.

And we are able to relate to those people and can relate how they Worshiped and Followed God.

That is all HOLY SPIRIT INSPIRED so we can see and understand the entire big picture with each story and Verse and are able to APPLY this to our own lives with God.

 

[Ogom]

be-dazzled,

Has a lie crept into our Bible?

.......

Does God allow demons to torment people?
Proverbs 16:4-5 says, "God has made everything for his purpose-even the wicked for the day of disaster, Everyone who is proud in heart is detestable to the LORD, be assured that he will not go unpunished..." and
Isaiah 45:7 says, "I form the light and create the darkness; I bring prosperity and create calamity. I, the LORD, do all these things."

Are these the next books you would have us throw out as lies?

Is it possible that the lies of Satan has tricked people in the Bible, about how God is in person?
Job is a perfect example of how God is in person, and so a perfect example of the Jesus. It may confuse some that any righteous man would suffer, but what qualifies Job's righteousness is demonstrated (i.e., de-monstrated) by Job humbling himself before the LORD in Job 40:4 saying, "Behold, I am insignificant. How can I reply to You? I place my hand over my mouth." And this pleased the LORD, more than those three 'friends' who thought they were 'defending' the LORD.

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i think what they mean maybe is that people are not understanding correctly. in many things Christians may not always understand correctly, or they will, in ways -- but it will only be partly.

"for now we see through a glass darkly"

‘For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.’ (1 Corinthians 13v12

from/found at:
https://www.primarygift.co.uk/tag/1-corinthians-13v12/

... they occur as the brain attempts to resolve an anomaly. Likewise, the Apostle Paul recognised an unresolved issue in the Christian’s understanding of God through scripture where some things were obvious (straight) while others appear divergent (curved) and at odds with the character and nature of God.

For Paul, the answer was easy as he recognised his spiritual vision was impaired... "

 

[Ogom]

Because i go by all the other accounts about demons from Jesus that suggests God does not entertain Satan in any way. and will not have unclean spirits in his heaven.

I aslo understand that satan wants to exalt him self higher that God. as written in Isaiah.
which means he wants to be worshiped as God decieving nations.

And i also understand demons mentality of combining Good with evil is his plan to be worshipped as God. But many dont see that plan. this is why so many people have a hard time working scripture out. because in places of our bible Good has been combined with evil and a blessing has become a curse. the two are seperate, for scripture says the darkness has never ever never ever understood the light. a curse as no place in a blessing. our holy spirit is a blessing

There for evil has no part with Goodness.

Isaiah tells us WOE to those people who call good evil and evil bad. this is also a future prophecy of how people will believe in the future, valid for today. that was fortold thousands of years ago and much as happened in scripture since then.

There are endless accounts of a blessing becoming a curse in our bible. thus why so many use the lords name in vane. there is enough interpretation to stop a blessing becoming a curse in our bible. but its all seperated into different time periods.

Deuteronomy 11:26
“See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse:

Deuteronomy 11:27
the blessing, if you listen to the commandments of the Lord your God, which I am commanding you today;

Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants,

Luke 6:28
bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

James 3:10
from the same mouth come both blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be this way.

keeping in mind that the people that put our current Bible together were -- the people in power. the people in 'power' still to this day many places of the world only accept what was put together and decided on/ degreed by various emperors and such. it was notso in the beginning. people wrote books as moved/led by the Holy Spirit and groups of Christians used these books, though not all maybe wrote by inspiration or as much inspiration, and some wrote of Milk, some herbs, some Meat, some mysteries-- given tothe more spiritual and holy -- intended for the true seeker of all Truth. not really my area of study greatly so i only know somewhat about this subject in actual studies of History, but for sure a helpful subject to study (with the guidance of the Holy Spirit i would suggest) is the history of Christianity, the Church, ect. not for the unstable, those on Milk too much orwithout enough Meat or for those not very open-minded yet (Matt 8:13). or perhaps it could be for some -- it could help open the mind. but i know in the past, such things would have just gone right over my head or confused me --before i learned and searched and and wondered through many things and many years and many wanderings in the wilderness of unknowing.

 

[Rolly]

Hi dear christian and brother and sisters around the world, I would like to dispute this matter because i feal this is the biggest missing link in our bible, to understanding scripture, and sorting out so much confussion, please also let me apolagize for any hurt this may cause you. At this moment i would like to say the bible warns us of many lies, and so for that reason there is many lies in our bible. but is there missing interpretation of those lies ?



This is why I asked my question there are no lies with the word of God, that is why many are at odds with your post.
your rant is completely operated and if the bible can't be trusted surely you and I can't either.

A word to the wise. Don’t get sucked in to the vortex that masquerades as constructive discourse with our friend here, they have ALOT of time on their hands. A selective approach to discourse when the point fails to support their agenda or narrative, and a passionate yet convoluted way to approach exegesis in favour of eisegesis, this is not intended to disparage them I’m anyway or cause offence, they are pleasant enough, i just feel it behoves me to share my experience.

 

[Ogom]

keeping in mind that the people that put our current Bible together were -- the people in power. the people in 'power' still to this day many places of the world only accept what was put together and decided on/ degreed by various emperors and such. it was notso in the beginning. people wrote books as moved/led by the Holy Spirit and groups of Christians used these books, though not all maybe wrote by inspiration or as much inspiration, and some wrote of Milk, some herbs, some Meat, some mysteries-- given tothe more spiritual and holy -- intended for the true seeker of all Truth. not really my area of study greatly so i only know somewhat about this subject in actual studies of History, but for sure a helpful subject to study (with the guidance of the Holy Spirit i would suggest) is the history of Christianity, the Church, ect. not for the unstable, those on Milk too much orwithout enough Meat or for those not very open-minded yet (Matt 8:13). or perhaps it could be for some -- it could help open the mind. but i know in the past, such things would have just gone right over my head or confused me --before i learned and searched and and wondered through many things and many years and many wanderings in the wilderness of unknowing.

correction -- Matthew 18:3

 

[de-emerald]

Good morning, De-emerald. God doesn't work with demons. It rains on the just and the unjust.

In Job's time, people didn't quite understand that concept. They thought if someone was good and followed all the rules then they would be rewarded on this earth and would never have to face any suffering in life. Kind of like the prosperity Gospel folks of today.

We know this isn't true "it rains on the just and the unjust." God didn't work with Satan to torture Job. He just simply removed the hedge of protection that he had around him.

There is a really good lesson in the book of Job. Just because we are Christians, it doesn't mean that we will never have any problems in this life. Jesus also suffered, and we know that we will also suffer in this world.

Many things in the Bible are spiritually discerned. That's why a sinner can't really understand the message of the Bible. The Pharisees/scribes didn't really understand the message, either. So they were misrepresenting the message. The Old Testament never lied. They just didn't have any discernment and didn't understand it.

your very bright, and good in your reasoning its a pleasure to chat with you. all tho im going to be honest here, no amount of reasoning is going to help me understand this. this topic at times has had my faith in pieces over the years, and all most made me lose faith at times, for personal reasons and a life time of battle scars, i am allways going to have a hard time accepting God works with evil. its something ill have to take up with God, no amount of human reasoning is going to clear my mind, on what ive witnessed my whole life.


just two examples of confusion in our bible
God created calamity verses God is not the author of confusion.
or how can you know the heart its naturally wicked verses guard your heart for all your riches flow from there,

This topic is simalar to the totaly for the rapture and totaly against the rapture, they both leave un answered questions. for this reason im out not saying another word here on this topic, its got me fealing physically sick and spiritually unwell, listening to theese demons being defended makes me feal really unwell. all tho im sure thats not peoples intensions to defend the sickness of demons. if they had my experience they would understand just how sickening this belief is.

 

[Dino246]

If all falsehood in the context of scripture is immeadiately identified as false and put right. The WHOLE WORLD would be christian, it isnt,
plainly also 98 percent of Jews in isreal would include the new testerment, they dont, they still go of the tora scrolls only. ive done my research only 2 percent of Isreal is christian.

Your hypothetical is not what I stated, and your conclusion is both completely unrelated and does not consider the reality of what Scripture teaches.

 

[Dino246]

Perhaps i allready have, perhaps your asuming more falshood of me.

How you fail to recognise is beyond me, Jesus clearly is at confrontation with Jews and scribes over and over again in scripture. for them miss repersenting the spirit which i showed you which you are still dismissing.

You accuse me of "assuming falsehood" about you, and then you do exactly the same thing to me. I haven't dismissed anything of the sort, nor have I failed to recognize anything.

The word is "misrepresenting"; it's not two words, and "repersenting" is not a word at all.

 

[Dino246]

your very bright, and good in your reasoning its a pleasure to chat with you. all tho im going to be honest here, no amount of reasoning is going to help me understand this. this topic at times has had my faith in pieces over the years, and all most made me lose faith at times, for personal reasons and a life time of battle scars, i am allways going to have a hard time accepting God works with evil. its something ill have to take up with God, no amount of human reasoning is going to clear my mind, on what ive witnessed my whole life.

It appears to me that, instead of having your faith in God, you have your faith in your understanding of God. When you surrender your attempts to encompass Him with your puny human understanding, you might have less trouble with your faith.

just two examples of confusion in our bible
God created calamity verses God is not the author of confusion.

Context is king! Calamity and confusion are not the same thing, and the second statement is in the context of the local church meeting, not life in general.

or how can you know the heart its naturally wicked verses guard your heart for all your riches flow from there,

Again, you need to consider context.

This topic is simalar to the totaly for the rapture and totaly against the rapture, they both leave un answered questions. for this reason im out not saying another word here on this topic, its got me fealing physically sick and spiritually unwell, listening to theese demons being defended makes me feal really unwell. all tho im sure thats not peoples intensions to defend the sickness of demons. if they had my experience they would understand just how sickening this belief is.

The "rapture" is not taught directly in Scripture; one can only come to believe it through piecing together other passages; one comes to the opposing conclusion the same way. It's that simple.

Nobody is "defending demons"; people are merely telling you that your version of things is not in accord with Scripture.

 

[Dino246]

Mad mans explanation

If Jesus didn't choose Judas, then who did?

Jesus DID choose Judas, knowing perfectly what would result. Jesus' purpose was to defeat the powers of darkness, which He did through His crucifixion and resurrection. As He said when on the cross, "How then could the Scripture be fulfilled?"

 

[1ofthem]

your very bright, and good in your reasoning its a pleasure to chat with you. all tho im going to be honest here, no amount of reasoning is going to help me understand this. this topic at times has had my faith in pieces over the years, and all most made me lose faith at times, for personal reasons and a life time of battle scars, i am allways going to have a hard time accepting God works with evil. its something ill have to take up with God, no amount of human reasoning is going to clear my mind, on what ive witnessed my whole life.


just two examples of confusion in our bible
God created calamity verses God is not the author of confusion.
or how can you know the heart its naturally wicked verses guard your heart for all your riches flow from there,

This topic is simalar to the totaly for the rapture and totaly against the rapture, they both leave un answered questions. for this reason im out not saying another word here on this topic, its got me fealing physically sick and spiritually unwell, listening to theese demons being defended makes me feal really unwell. all tho im sure thats not peoples intensions to defend the sickness of demons. if they had my experience they would understand just how sickening this belief is.

It's always a pleasure to chat with you, as well. You are my brother in Christ and I do love and care for you.

I've been through the battles too. If people are honest, then most would say the same. It is a spiritual battle that we go through.

A little after I first got saved, I wound up in a spiritual battle so fierce that I thought it was going to destroy me. I had believed since a child in the Lord and that the Word of God was true. But then when I started reading the Word, the enemy kept pointing out these little things that seemed to be discrepancies. I got to where I was afraid to even read the word of God because I thought those thoughts were my own and that I was doubting God.

I wouldn't tell anyone because the enemy made me think that I was just evil. For awhile, all I could do was pray and cry out to God. Eventually the Lord came by and brought me through the battle.

After coming through that spiritual battle, God opened up the Word of God to me. I began reading the Word of God for most of the day, sometimes even all day long. It came alive. I learned exactly why the enemy was trying to take it from me by keeping me from reading it. It was my help. I found great strength in the Word of God, and learned how to fight back against the enemy with scripture. The things that I thought were discrepancies were not. There really are no conflicts in the Word of God. It is spiritually discerned and we have to let God open it up to us and give us the understanding. It is our sword. It will put the enemy on the go.

God is not working with demons or the enemy.

He sent his Son to die on the cross to defeat the enemy and all spiritual wickedness. Jesus is now seated at the right hand of God far above all principalities and powers and we have been made to sit together with him in heavenly places.

We are now in Christ and are overcomers. So take courage in that, and we also know that if God be for us no one or nothing can come against us and stand.

If this thread is getting you discouraged, then maybe you should take a break from it for a little while, anyways. I will be praying for you, and if you ever need someone to talk to, then feel free to PM me.

 

[1ofthem]

You accuse me of "assuming falsehood" about you, and then you do exactly the same thing to me. I haven't dismissed anything of the sort, nor have I failed to recognize anything.

The word is "misrepresenting"; it's not two words, and "repersenting" is not a word at all.

I think you need to ease up a little. Enough is enough, already. It should be evident that the way you are going about this isn't helping.

And REALLY...What is your problem? Why are you so hung up on spelling and grammar?

You should have took your own advice and not read any of this thread because you clearly aren't helping matters....just saying.

 

[Runningman]

For anyone who voted yes to the OP in this poll, did you vote yes because:

1. You believe there are parts of the Bible written by inspiration of Satan? If yes, example please.

Or

2. The Bible is the divinely inspired word of God, but that some characters in the Bible were sometimes deceived by Satan? If yes, who?

 

[Mem]

For anyone who voted yes to the OP in this poll, did you vote yes because:

1. You believe there are parts of the Bible written by inspiration of Satan? If yes, example please.

Or

2. The Bible is the divinely inspired word of God, but that some characters in the Bible were sometimes deceived by Satan? If yes, who?

I'm not voting unless the ballot because the understanding the ballet is compromised....and wondering if corrupt voting practices aren't involved

 

[1ofthem]

I'm not voting unless the ballot because the understanding the ballet is compromised....and wondering if corrupt voting practices aren't involved

Please be advised. You have a spelling error and/or an incorrect word usage in your post.

Please correct this issue or you will be graded harshly. ...lol

 

[Mem]

Please be advised. You have a spelling error and/or an incorrect word usage in your post.

Please correct this issue or you will be graded harshly. ...lol

Oh no, is there going to be a terst today?!

 

[Dino246]

It should be evident that the way you are going about this isn't helping.

...

You should have took your own advice and not read any of this thread because you clearly aren't helping matters....just saying.

And you know this because... you can read the OP's mind?

 

[1ofthem]

And you know this because... you can read the OP's mind?

It's called commonsense and common decency. You know...the whole do unto others thing...or did you miss that message?

What makes you think insulting and ridiculing someone is helpful?

You can be the most intelligent person in the world, but if you don't show common decency toward others, then your wisdom is pointless. That's just a simple fact.

 

[Dino246]

It's called commonsense and common decency. You know...the whole do unto others thing...or did you miss that message?

What makes you think insulting and ridiculing someone is helpful?

You can be the most intelligent person in the world, but if you don't show common decency toward others, then your wisdom is pointless. That's just a simple fact.

I suppose my initial message in response to the OP was unnecessary. As for continuing and occasionally offering a correction, I don't see how that is either nonsensical or indecent (commonly, so to speak). I would prefer to receive a straightforward correction if I were horribly misspelling a word, so I am, in fact, "doing unto others...."

Insulting? Rarely if ever intended, though some people have thin skin and can't tell the difference between straightforward criticism and insults, or between criticism of their ideas and personal attacks. Ridiculing? Only when someone is being ridiculous.