Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?
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As if being tormented in fire and brimstone forever is considered a life. It is worst than ceasing to exist.
Then, you're blind! What do you think "forever and ever" means? As well as them having "no rest day or night?" These support conscious existence in torment. It is so straight forward that you have to circumvent the scripture in order to reject what it's saying. Have you lost your reasoning? If someone is tormented day and night, that person must exist in order to experience said torment.
How long will you people fight against the truth? Your reasoning is really getting ridiculous now!
Life = eternal existence in the kingdom of God
Death = eternal existence in separation from God in the lake of fire.
Life and death are both states of existence in relation to one's status with God.
Therefore, the unsaved will not see life, which means they will eternally exist in separation from God in the lake of fire. Death does not mean nonexistence.
damnation -
“And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;
and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
John 5:29 KJV
Your saying they are resurrected judged and tormented for a time and thier smoke roses forever because they were tormented for a short time ? So the smoke rises forever ? And that seems like a good interpretation of this ?
“The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”
Revelation 14:10-11
how do you fit this part in ? they have no rest day nor night,
is it because hey don’t exist anymore ? And their not being tormented ? So they have no rest not existing ????
I think sometimes we try to interpret what we think and reject wha the very plain
they have no rest day or night because they are on torment forever and ever.
it isn’t mans place to say God isn’t just he’s been warning us about hell since the Old Testament some go there because they refuse to hear the warning and believe
so why do they have no rest day or night ? Seems Like they are never consumed ….but I digress I’m going to live as if there is an eternal home for Satan and his children who will exist in darkness and flame seperate forever because of this
“And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot;
neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”
Luke 16:26-31 KJV
we can I guess interpret things differently but it seems pretty clear to
Me ill Probably stick to what I perceive the scripture says. And trust in this resurrection
“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
John 11:25-26 KJV
I do , so I’m stuck with his interpretations I don’t thknk God is sending anyone to hell , I believe he’s been trying to save us from it since we turned away from him so he tells us the truth about it as a warning sometimes we can’t hear it yet though
Amen to this , things changed with Christ. Some still look at solomons interpretation of death
They are still alive though and scripture says the unsaved will NOT have life. All doctrines need to adhere to what scripture says else a person can recognize a false doctrine.
All you are doing stacking one false doctrine upon another. Of course is sending people to hell, in fact it will be MOST people.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
The word damnation doesn't mean eternal torment. That word damnation in John 5:29 means a judgment:
2920. krisis
Strong's Concordance
krisis: a decision, judgment
Original Word: κρίσις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: krisis
Phonetic Spelling: (kree'-sis)
Definition: a decision, judgment
Usage: judging, judgment, decision, sentence; generally: divine judgment; accusation.
Drop the assumptions and perceptions and stick with what the scriptures say.
Yep and that decision is to sentence the person to death for eternity. Of course, why bother with the actual true definition of a when you can make up your own definition and make a whole new doctrine that Christ did not teach
Yep and that decision is to sentence the person to death for eternity. Of course, why bother with the actual true definition of a when you can make up your own definition and make a whole new doctrine that Christ did not teach
A lot of that just has to do with being taught eternal torment is a sound doctrine. At one point I believed in eternal torment, too, then I just studied the scriptures about it.
There is no language in the Bible that says everyone goes to hell and gets tormented forever.
Do people go to hell? Yes.
Is hell painful? Yes.
Do people perish in hell? Yes.
Are they destroyed in hell? Yes.
Do they die in hell? Yes.
Joseph never did use that name. Immanuel, only appears three times in Scripture. (Emmanuel in the Greek). Found in Isa. 7:14, 8:8 and Mat. 1:23. The prophet Isaiah uses this name, meaning "God with us", in the sense that it is an attribute of the Son and not to be understood as a proper name. Joseph of course named him Jesus. Jesus was both God and man. Having both a Divine nature and a human nature. So Jesus was God and he was Immanuel, God with us.
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Jesus preached to the dead. Even now, many people who have died, such as the Holocaust victims or people who live in places where the Bible is/was banned, do not know the Gospel. Obviously one cannot say what Jesus will do in the future, but He has shown that He can preach to the dead.
Jesus didn't preach salvation to those spirits in Hades who died in the flood. Once a person dies their record is sealed (see Luke 16:19-31). There is no offer of salvation after death.
"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
What you're asking is of a very dangerous nature. You should never rely on someone's personal experiences as a form of truth. Only what God says on a matter is what we should trust. Seeing as how you "know the verses well", you already have the answer you seek. Or perhaps this is not so?
Simply put, God is just. This is why those who do not obey Him will not enter into His kingdom. Christ states this in Matthew 7:21. Although it pains us to lose someone dear to us, especially more so for those of us desperately wanting them to know and obey Christ before the end of their physical being so that they may enter into the kingdom, God is still just and stands by His Word. You may not understand how a "loving God" can punish in this way, but do not be fooled, with justice also comes mercy. God has extended to every soul on this Earth His mercy. If someone dies in their sin, it is on them and justice must be served. This is the righteousness of God. A Holy God is holy in the way justice is served. None are without excuse. Sin is a choice.
Personally, I believe a good portion of people do not understand this because they allow their emotions to influence how they perceive the Word of God rather than take God at His Word. If God says He is just in His ways, believe that. There is nothing we can say or do to change this fact about the very nature of Who the Almighty is. Is not His ways and thoughts higher than our own (Isaiah 55:9)?
Have we not learned by now that this God we serve is firm in His Word? Sure, we may not fully comprehend or even agree with how God handles certain things pertaining to His creation, but you can be sure that what He says goes. I think the sooner we accept this, the easier it is for us to come to a place of complete surrender.
Well if the next coming of Christ is to raise everybody unto judgement as in the Great White Throne judgement the sheeps on the right hand are christians and the goats on the left are everybody else i.e. BILLIONS of human souls.
But the next coming of our Lord is to destroy that wicked, put away sin and to take us home. He will then set up the kingdom of heaven ON EARTH and will reign through the now converted Jews. Therefore ...
... therefore the second and general resurrection spoken about in Matthew and Revs cannot feature either the church who have been reigning with Him from heaven for a 1, 000 years or yet the Jews who have been reigning with Him on earth.
The sheep on His right hand do not represent the church or the Jews, that group who the Lord refers to "as these My brethren" are the church. As Paul teaches God will bring us with Him when He comes to judge.
Yet these sheeps do receive an inheritance. They will inherit the earth.
The goats represent the wicked and they are a decided minority.
I don't really have a horse in the race when it comes to what the Bible says. If the Bible says it then that's good enough for me. No use striving against the inevitable because our emotions and opinions hold absolutely zero effect to change God's word.
I think there is also a high likelihood that people are indoctrinated into denominational loyalty, confusing the truth of God's word for doctrines of men. It is very easy to begin seeing the Bible through a kind of lens, or filter, that only confirms the biases we're seeking to validate.
People should examine themselves intensely, beginning at the most elementary teachings of Christ to the solid meat of the Word, studying the scriptures, to see if what they believe is true. Do not fall into a pride trap, thinking your interpretation is infallible, really examine where you stand and be prepared to humbly admit when you've failed to be a good steward of His Word.
That being said, look closely at the doctrine of eternal torment for all sinners. Words have meaning, language matters, God does not make mistakes.
It is not an accident the Bible teaches that those who are not in Christ will perish, be destroyed, and experience death.
Short list: John 3:16, Matthew 10:28, Revelation 20:14
I already gave dozens of quotes by early christians proving eternal torment. You because of your own opinion refuse to accept historical sources.
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/120121.htm
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0102.htm
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103527.htm
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0127.htm
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/360309.htm
"Traditionalists respond that only God is qualified to determine what is truly just, and raise suspicions that annihilationists may be succumbing to modern cultural pressures. The argument does go both ways, however. A common response to the idea of annihilation is that God is infinitely holy and therefore demands infinite conscious punishment. "
https://www.theopedia.com/annihilationism
"Today many traditionalists claim that the doctrine is most often associated with groups descended from William Miller and the Adventist movement of the mid-1800s, including Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and other Adventist groups. However, a number of evangelical theologians, including Anglican John Stott, Church of Christ elder Edward Fudge, Open Theists Clark Pinnock and John Sanders, as well as Philip Edgecombe Hughes and others have offered support for the doctrine, touching off a heated debate within mainstream evangelical Christianity. " https://www.theopedia.com/annihilationism
https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07207a.htm
"Annihilationism is from bible "
That is just your opinion nothing more.
History clearly shows that early christians believed in eternal punishment. Greek Scholars clearly understand the grammar of the NT as teaching eternal punishment. I have already published these things. Because they disagree with your opinion you reject them.