Is Obedience Necessary for Salvation?

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Jackson123 said:
Stop doing murder it was a person kill for living he was accept the Lord went to bible school and stop murder last year he die as preacher
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What if you only murdered once? How do you repent?
 
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Jackson123 said:
If you repent yes the only unforgiving sin that I know is rebuke Holy Spirit
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Then how do you repent if you only murder once? And you never murder again? How do you repent from the one murder? It's already done and you murder no more. How do you repent of it?
 
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Then how do you repent if you only murder once? And you never murder again? How do you repent from the one murder? It's already done and you murder no more. How do you repent of it?
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If you regret ask forgiveness you are forgoven
 
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Jackson123 said:
yes
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So murder, for a born again believer, does not mean they do not go to heaven, correct? Because, repentance means turning away from sin. But, if you only did it once, there is nothing to turn away from. So, it isn't actually repenting.
 
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So murder, for a born again believer, does not mean they do not go to heaven, correct? Because, repentance means turning away from sin. But, if you only did it once, there is nothing to turn away from. So, it isn't actually repenting.
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Yep as long as repent involve you are forgiven and go to heaven
 
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Yep as long as repent involve you are forgiven and go to heaven
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But it isn't repentance, and you have already agreed. If you only murder once, there is nothing to repent from. The meaning of repentance is to turn away from sin. So, if you only murder once, there is nothing to turn from because you aren't doing it anymore. So, it is not true repentance.
 
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But it isn't repentance, and you have already agreed. If you only murder once, there is nothing to repent from. The meaning of repentance is to turn away from sin. So, if you only murder once, there is nothing to turn from. So, it is not true repentance.
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If you don’t do it again and regret you are repent already
 
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Is Obedience Necessary for Salvation?

Well, the answer to the above question depends on what a person actually means when they are mentioning that very word (Obedience). If When a minister uses the word obedience, If they are referring to the One Act of Obedience of Obeying the Gospel (which is believing the Gospel of the Death, Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ). Then Yes, Obedience (that one act of Obedience) is necessary for Salvation. Since a person must obey the Gospel in order to be saved.

And how does one Obey the Gospel? By Simply Believing the Gospel. And that’s it.

However though, When a person says that Obedience is Necessary for Salvation, if what they are referring to is obeying the commandments, and living Holy, then the answer to the question above is: NO. Since Commandment keeping and holy living are not a requirement for Salvation.

Obeying the Commandments and living Holy are a requirement for Discipleship and Spiritual growth, but they are not a requirement for Salvation. Since Salvation is not a process, but rather, it is a One Time Event. Whereas Discipleship, on the other hand, is not a One Time Event. But rather, Discipleship is a Life long journey and endeavor. Discipleship deals with how one lives their life. For consider this question now: How many times did Adam have to sin and disobey the word of God before he died spiritually and became a sinner? Only ONE TIME. All it took was ONE ACT of Disobedience against God and against His word to plunge the whole entire world into sin. And so for a lost sinner to get saved, to get out of the Line of Adam and to get into the Line of Christ, all that is required of them in terms of Obedience is the ONE ACT of Obedience: Obeying the Gospel.

And once again, how does a sinner Obey the Gospel? They Obey the Gospel by simply BELIEVING THE GOSPEL. If a person has believed the Gospel, then they have Obeyed the Gospel. It really is that simple, folks.

Furthermore, one of the reasons that what I just stated is true is this. No one has ever perfectly obeyed the Bible. No one lives in complete perfect obedience, since no one is without sin. We all still have a wicked, sin nature dwelling in our body of flesh. The only man who has ever lived in complete, perfect obedience is the Man Christ Jesus, God manifest in the Flesh. Only Jesus lived in perfect obedience to the word of God, as He was on this earth, fulfilling His earthly ministry. And yet, no one before Jesus and no one after Jesus, has ever done what Jesus Christ did. No other man on this Earth could perfectly obey the word of God. Only Jesus Christ could do that. For He was without Sin. And since None of us can claim perfect obedience to the law of God, this also is why Obedience (i.e. Commandment keeping, living holy) is not required for Salvation.

For If it was, then Salvation would be based on our works and on our performance. And it would not be by Grace. You see folks, God does not Grade on a Curve. God’s standard is perfect, complete, holiness. This is why we must have the Imputed Righteousness of Jesus Christ and His word, the Holy Scripture. If we are not as perfect and just and holy as the Lord Jesus Christ and His word (the King James Holy Bible) are, then we cannot make it into heaven. We MUST be as Perfect and Holy as Jesus Christ and His word, the Holy Scripture, are. That’s the only way we will make it into Heaven. Salvation is not of us. It is completely of God and His Holy Scripture.

In conclusion, the only Obedience which IS necessary for Salvation is the One Act of Obedience, which once again, is Obeying the Gospel. And a person obeys the Gospel by Believing the Gospel. By putting their faith and trust in the Death, Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ, and trusting in Him alone to save them. And then the Obedience which comes after Salvation: keeping the commandments, Abiding in Christ, Walking in the Spirit, Living Holy. This Obedience which concerns how we walk and live as Children of God, this Obedience is only a requirement for Discipleship and spiritual growth. But it has nothing to do with our Salvation. God and His word took care of our Salvation. And now Discipleship and living Holy depends on Us and what WE DO.
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Yes,I agree that obedience Is required for salvation If that person means obedience to faith,I mean believing the WORD of GOD manifested In flesh but someone would ask,how does a person believe In GOD since men loved darkness?
JESUS said,no one can come to him unless the Father who sent HIM draw him.

John 6:44
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44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
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Somebody might ask,well what does that mean?
IMO this Is talking about a person‘s conscience being convicted and they repent and this has to be done sincerely In truth and not just repeating the sinners prayer words after the preacher maybe to Impress someone but a heartfelt repentance.

GOD IS a SPIRIT and those who worship HIM MUST worship HIM In Spirit and In Truth.
 
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Jackson123 said:
To me if you have been regret and ask forgiveness that mean actual repentance
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But that is not the meaning of repentance. Repentance happens once, when you realize and admit you are a sinner and accept Jesus' sacrifice for your sin and are adopted into the family of God and are born again, being transferred from death (dead spirit) to life (spirit made alive to God in Christ). There is no going back after that. Once you are made alive to God in Christ, you have been transferred. So.. no more repentance is possible. If you sin, you in fact will have sorrow. It is a result of the Holy Spirit living in you. But, you are never in danger of losing salvation. It isn't possible.
 
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But that is not the meaning of repentance. Repentance happens once, when you realize and admit you are a sinner and accept Jesus' sacrifice for your sin and are adopted into the family of God and are born again, being transferred from death (dead spirit) to life (spirit made alive to God in Christ). There is no going back after that. Once you are made alive to God in Christ, you have been transferred. So.. no more repentance is possible. If you sin, you in fact will have sorrow. It is a result of the Holy Spirit living in you. But, you are never in danger of losing salvation. It isn't possible.
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After accepting Jesus we may commit sin than we repent again
repent can mean accepting Jesus also mean accepting His teaching
Accepting His teaching is learning Process it can be back and forth
Every time commit sin we must repent.
Example killer repent and stop killing for 10 years, than he desperately need money one offer him 10 millions to kill, he may do it than he need re repent
 
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Jackson123 said:
After accepting Jesus we may commit sin than we repent again
repent can mean accepting Jesus also mean accepting His teaching
Accepting His teaching is learning Process it can be back and forth
Every time commit sin we must repent.
Example killer repent and stop killing for 10 years, than he desperately need money one offer him 10 millions to kill, he may do it than he need re repent
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You will sin because you are a sinner. It doesn't even have to be something as extreme as murder. Even telling a "little white lie" is sin. Anything that is not PERFECT is sin. You will never be perfect as long as you are in this human tent. However, the child of God, someone who is born again, is covered by THE BLOOD OF JESUS.
 
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Then there is no actual repentance involved in the true sense of the word.
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repentance
[rəˈpentəns]

NOUN
  1. the action of repenting; sincere regret or remorse.
    "each person who turns to God in genuine repentance and faith will be saved"






 
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Rev. 3
2Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I have found your deeds unfinished in the sight of my God. 3Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; hold it fast, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.
 
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