We know that earth is Satan's world. Do you think that Satan can go to Heaven if he desired? Is that possible? Sorry . . . I don't know anything about this stuff.
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We know that earth is Satan's world. Do you think that Satan can go to Heaven if he desired? Is that possible? Sorry . . . I don't know anything about this stuff.
The following account in Matthew should give all an idea of the enemy's current allowance of authority.
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Having shared this, I have read, where I do not recall, that Satan has power to the third heaven. Since I have no list of levels of heaven in my H=heart, I suffice it for myself that his power is at least in this age here for deception and worse, therefore I rely on the gift of faith and the protection afforded us allby faith.
Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Having shared this, I have read, where I do not recall, that Satan has power to the third heaven. Since I have no list of levels of heaven in my H=heart, I suffice it for myself that his power is at least in this age here for deception and worse, therefore I rely on the gift of faith and the protection afforded us allby faith.
There was a time when he could go wherever he wanted to go but when he loses that Revelation 12 war and is kicked out, he can never ever return to heaven.
We learn, reading the Word, that Satan is the only one creted without fear of our Fasther.
We learn that Satan boasted he was going to raise his throne above that of the Father, and judge all the sons of God.
It is there to learn, in the Book. Bible may be translated as Book.
We learn that Satan boasted he was going to raise his throne above that of the Father, and judge all the sons of God.
It is there to learn, in the Book. Bible may be translated as Book.
Huh. I don't recall getting that feeling about Satan and his self-perceived position to God.
That's amazing. So Evil Satan was allowed in Heaven? Wouldn't that make Heaven corrupt? - Sorry, but I've never had these conversations before.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Yes.
No. Do you think a court room is made corrupt if a murderer is tried in that court room?
Yes, the courtroom would be corrupt in Nature. No, the murderer would not make the courtroom morally corrupt.
That's a contradiction. Either the courtroom is corrupted by those it tries, or it is not.
Once Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven in Revelation 12, heaven will be clean, and no evil entities there at all.
So . . . Heaven isn't clean right now? If Heaven isn't clean, then why would I want to go there?
Satan is the only one of those try to overthrow heaven that has been tried and found guilty - John 16:11 of judgment because the prince of this world has been judged - 2nd Thessalonians 2:3 original King James Version _ that day will not come except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. ( these newer versions has changed the word perdition into lawless one, taking away the true meaning).
The angels are innumerable _ Hebrews 12:22 - other scriptures they are described as thousands of thousands. 1/3 of an innumerable host fell with Lucifer and were cast down to earth too, they haven't been judged - no where in scripture does it say they have.
Judgement is still pending on those angels that fell with Satan. And Satan is the accuser - could be considered as the prosecuting attorney - and he is doing everything he can to take as many to hell with him as he possibly can. God has allowed him certain freedom until the time set for Judgment Day arrives. Then and only then will Satan and all of the fallen, who did not receive redemption be cast into the lake of fire. As it is written - hell was created for the devil and his angels.
The angels are innumerable _ Hebrews 12:22 - other scriptures they are described as thousands of thousands. 1/3 of an innumerable host fell with Lucifer and were cast down to earth too, they haven't been judged - no where in scripture does it say they have.
Judgement is still pending on those angels that fell with Satan. And Satan is the accuser - could be considered as the prosecuting attorney - and he is doing everything he can to take as many to hell with him as he possibly can. God has allowed him certain freedom until the time set for Judgment Day arrives. Then and only then will Satan and all of the fallen, who did not receive redemption be cast into the lake of fire. As it is written - hell was created for the devil and his angels.
God is there and didn't mind but if it's not good enough for you then don't go there.
While this is a common belief, it is completely unscriptural. Something is written about 1/3 of the stars of heaven but nothing else is correct plus it says nothing about those stars/angels being loyal to satan.
There's nothing unchristian in my post. It's just based upon what you said in your post. You think heaven is "unclean" because of Satan being there then fine, don't go there.
I was asking you a question. No wonder "christians" don't understand what was written over 2000 years ago. You guys struggle understanding people that are alive! This really is amazing.
Doesn't change what you posted. Writing "Christians" is inappropriate as well.