Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future
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None of us even Saved by Christ can hold a candle to Enoch's righteousness He held in the eyes of God! But Enoch is like many we read who show up on Earth and then give away to next person in line God uses. His Ascension had nothing to do with being saved from a Flood or anything else.
But let's imagine Noah for a second here:
He went through hearing hundreds of voices and people knocking and screaming for help when the 1st rain drop fell.
He went through 40 days and nights of solid rain [that some geologists claim carved out the Grand Canyon in Arizona].
He went through fear, thinking sure death, being tossed and turned.
And then when the rains stopped, he spent months on a boat looking for land and knowing all humanity was lost, he was alone just his immediate family.
God did not spare him from Fear, from the intense conditions caused by 40 continuous days of rain, from having that unknown feeling of helplessness, to a condition of hopelessness. God made Noah suffer more unknowns in 6 months than we ever face in a complete lifetime. That is not being Spared from Tribulation like this baloney pre-trib rapture claims!
But let's imagine Noah for a second here:
He went through hearing hundreds of voices and people knocking and screaming for help when the 1st rain drop fell.
He went through 40 days and nights of solid rain [that some geologists claim carved out the Grand Canyon in Arizona].
He went through fear, thinking sure death, being tossed and turned.
And then when the rains stopped, he spent months on a boat looking for land and knowing all humanity was lost, he was alone just his immediate family.
God did not spare him from Fear, from the intense conditions caused by 40 continuous days of rain, from having that unknown feeling of helplessness, to a condition of hopelessness. God made Noah suffer more unknowns in 6 months than we ever face in a complete lifetime. That is not being Spared from Tribulation like this baloney pre-trib rapture claims!
Dan12:11 is notorious for being hard to be understood, lol... but does it sound to you like its saying the "dailies" were removed at the same time the "AOD [is] set up"... it doesn't to me. Just sayin'.
I've noticed that the one which was in A4E's day (Dan11:31) it says "they [plural]... shall take away the daily, and they [plural] shall place the AOD"; whereas in the far-future AOD (Dan12:11, under present discussion [Matt24:15]), it doesn't say this, but rather, "from the time the daily is taken away [verb'd-singular] and the AOD set up, 1290 days"
(as though perhaps these "1290 days" come between these two points, in this order, rather than something like "from the time HE/THEY takes away the daily at the time HE/THEY sets up the AOD, until the END of something else, there's 1290 days")
BTW, same "daily" word here as is in, say, Lev6:20-23.
Hope I'm making some sense. = )
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I've noticed that the one which was in A4E's day (Dan11:31) it says "they [plural]... shall take away the daily, and they [plural] shall place the AOD"; whereas in the far-future AOD (Dan12:11, under present discussion [Matt24:15]), it doesn't say this, but rather, "from the time the daily is taken away [verb'd-singular] and the AOD set up, 1290 days"
(as though perhaps these "1290 days" come between these two points, in this order, rather than something like "from the time HE/THEY takes away the daily at the time HE/THEY sets up the AOD, until the END of something else, there's 1290 days")
BTW, same "daily" word here as is in, say, Lev6:20-23.
Hope I'm making some sense. = )
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And, from Enoch to Noah is around 1,100 years [more than the lifetime of the oldest man ever Methuselah].
Then Noah lived another 500 years before the Flood.
Enoch would have been almost 1,650 years old to reach the Flood.
Enoch [was NEVER] going to reach the Flood because his own son the oldest living human was 725 years from the Flood.
To use Enoch is more than a S...T...R...E...T...C...H of the imagination, it makes No Sense to bring him into this!
It's a DECOY that cannot be related to any TRUTH concerning the Flood!
Then Noah lived another 500 years before the Flood.
Enoch would have been almost 1,650 years old to reach the Flood.
Enoch [was NEVER] going to reach the Flood because his own son the oldest living human was 725 years from the Flood.
To use Enoch is more than a S...T...R...E...T...C...H of the imagination, it makes No Sense to bring him into this!
It's a DECOY that cannot be related to any TRUTH concerning the Flood!
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Well, "types" aren't meant to be exact portrayals in every detail.
But where it says "as the days of Noah were, SO SHALL ALSO the coming of the Son of man be," as I've stated in many past posts, ALL "Son of man coming / cometh / shall come / etc" verses / passages are set in the context of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH (NOT "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]")
P.S. and by the way, Daniel was nowhere near the "FIRE" setting, where his "3 companions" were... he was somewhere else entirely.
But where it says "as the days of Noah were, SO SHALL ALSO the coming of the Son of man be," as I've stated in many past posts, ALL "Son of man coming / cometh / shall come / etc" verses / passages are set in the context of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH (NOT "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]")
P.S. and by the way, Daniel was nowhere near the "FIRE" setting, where his "3 companions" were... he was somewhere else entirely.
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And we will be safe too!
But Noah still suffered:
But let's imagine Noah for a second here:
He went through hearing hundreds of voices and people knocking and screaming for help when the 1st rain drop fell.
He went through 40 days and nights of solid rain [that some geologists claim carved out the Grand Canyon in Arizona].
He went through fear, thinking sure death, being tossed and turned.
And then when the rains stopped, he spent months on a boat looking for land and knowing all humanity was lost, he was alone just his immediate family.
God did not spare him from Fear, from the intense conditions caused by 40 continuous days of rain, from having that unknown feeling of helplessness, to a condition of hopelessness. God made Noah suffer more unknowns in 6 months than we ever face in a complete lifetime. That is not being Spared from Tribulation like this baloney pre-trib rapture claims!
But Noah still suffered:
But let's imagine Noah for a second here:
He went through hearing hundreds of voices and people knocking and screaming for help when the 1st rain drop fell.
He went through 40 days and nights of solid rain [that some geologists claim carved out the Grand Canyon in Arizona].
He went through fear, thinking sure death, being tossed and turned.
And then when the rains stopped, he spent months on a boat looking for land and knowing all humanity was lost, he was alone just his immediate family.
God did not spare him from Fear, from the intense conditions caused by 40 continuous days of rain, from having that unknown feeling of helplessness, to a condition of hopelessness. God made Noah suffer more unknowns in 6 months than we ever face in a complete lifetime. That is not being Spared from Tribulation like this baloney pre-trib rapture claims!
If [some] Geologist credit Noah's Flood for carving out the Grand Canyon in Arizona [that means the (water action) was difficult/harsh/powerful] no way was Noah inside the Ark on a cruise set up with a buffet/pool/and having a vacation.
NOAH literally went through this TRIBULATION in every sense one can imagine!
NOAH literally went through this TRIBULATION in every sense one can imagine!
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That's exactly my point.
[...and the point of Rev3:10 actually, "Because you have kept 'the WORD of the patient-endurance OF ME', I also will keep you out-of THE HOUR OF the trial that is mello/sure to COME UPON..." (that is, WHOLLY OUT-OF the "TIME-PERIOD" associated with JUDGMENTS unfolding upon the earth); you could call the "ENOCH" situation, something like an exaggerated point, to really drill home the point = ) ....which is actually consistent with all other passages covering the Subject of our Rapture in relation to eschatological events]
[...and the point of Rev3:10 actually, "Because you have kept 'the WORD of the patient-endurance OF ME', I also will keep you out-of THE HOUR OF the trial that is mello/sure to COME UPON..." (that is, WHOLLY OUT-OF the "TIME-PERIOD" associated with JUDGMENTS unfolding upon the earth); you could call the "ENOCH" situation, something like an exaggerated point, to really drill home the point = ) ....which is actually consistent with all other passages covering the Subject of our Rapture in relation to eschatological events]
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I can see that your now missing parts out like Jesus ruling with a sword, its ok i can also see where youve copy and pasted and cut your orignal text to leave key parts out as ive just had to edit your wording above,
Its ok i inderstand the order now and my memory is refreshed. My mind is made up that Gods children are present, during all the periods youve mentioned. I find it Odd that Jesus would reign on earth for a thousand years with a sword, you no doubt call the word of God.
And you will say The answer is its not a real sword is false to me. and your answer will be the word of God is like a double edged sword.
It also odd that Jesus would reign for a thousand years whilst satan is siezed, only to let satan loose again. theres something wrong and missing there to support your claim of no further wrath in the 1000 reign. anyhow thanks for your help in trying to help me understand. but if im going to be honest, im never going to understand endtime Judgement as written in our bible. im kinda on the fence. im like the piggy in middle listening to both sides of the argument. Ive researched it befor and never understood then. as much as now. i personaly feal all tho people claim they understand it and have worked it all out, i really think they havent and no living person has and will.
Its ok i inderstand the order now and my memory is refreshed. My mind is made up that Gods children are present, during all the periods youve mentioned. I find it Odd that Jesus would reign on earth for a thousand years with a sword, you no doubt call the word of God.
And you will say The answer is its not a real sword is false to me. and your answer will be the word of God is like a double edged sword.
It also odd that Jesus would reign for a thousand years whilst satan is siezed, only to let satan loose again. theres something wrong and missing there to support your claim of no further wrath in the 1000 reign. anyhow thanks for your help in trying to help me understand. but if im going to be honest, im never going to understand endtime Judgement as written in our bible. im kinda on the fence. im like the piggy in middle listening to both sides of the argument. Ive researched it befor and never understood then. as much as now. i personaly feal all tho people claim they understand it and have worked it all out, i really think they havent and no living person has and will.
Not true! I leave parts out that are not pertinent to what I'm posting for space sake. And there's nothing wrong with copying and pasting scripture. In fact they are quotes of the literal scripture. I'm not trying to dupe anyone here and never have. I have always presented the truth. I think that what is happening is that you are listening to the other out there are being turned away from the truth. All I can do is present the truth. If you reject it, then it is on you, not me. I don't teach or post anything that I haven't already studied to death and have come to a sound conclusion.
This requires study to know that when Jesus returns to the earth, the angels will gather both the wicked and the righteous from the nations. The following is the meaning of "ruling with an iron scepter" over the righteous:
Strong's Concordance
poimainó: to act as a shepherd
Original Word: ποιμαίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: poimainó
Phonetic Spelling: (poy-mah'-ee-no)
Definition: to act as a shepherd
Usage: I shepherd, tend, herd; hence: I rule, govern.
On the other hand, the following is what will happen to the wicked from the nations of the world:
"And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations
The sharp sword that proceeds from the Lord's mouth is figurative referring to the spoken word of God. No individual who worships the beast, his image and receives his mark, will enter into the millennial kingdom.
You don't remember information that I have provided. I never said that there was no other wrath after the tribulation period. I said that the tribulation period was a specific time of God's wrath that has been prophesied of for at least 3000 years, referred to as the day of the Lord. It is obviously wrath when God rains fire down on that group that surround Jerusalem. But it is not the time of wrath that I have been speaking about. I have been focused in on God's coming wrath which is the seals, trumpet and bowl judgments which will cover a seven year time period. When God rains fire down upon that group at the end of the thousand years, it will just be a quick event and over with and then on to the great white throne judgment. Do you see the difference between those events?
Well, I wouldn't be teaching on any of these topics if I wasn't sure about what I am talking about. I guess all of the naysayers will have to find out the order of events by seeing them take place.
This requires study to know that when Jesus returns to the earth, the angels will gather both the wicked and the righteous from the nations. The following is the meaning of "ruling with an iron scepter" over the righteous:
Strong's Concordance
poimainó: to act as a shepherd
Original Word: ποιμαίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: poimainó
Phonetic Spelling: (poy-mah'-ee-no)
Definition: to act as a shepherd
Usage: I shepherd, tend, herd; hence: I rule, govern.
On the other hand, the following is what will happen to the wicked from the nations of the world:
"And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations
The sharp sword that proceeds from the Lord's mouth is figurative referring to the spoken word of God. No individual who worships the beast, his image and receives his mark, will enter into the millennial kingdom.
You don't remember information that I have provided. I never said that there was no other wrath after the tribulation period. I said that the tribulation period was a specific time of God's wrath that has been prophesied of for at least 3000 years, referred to as the day of the Lord. It is obviously wrath when God rains fire down on that group that surround Jerusalem. But it is not the time of wrath that I have been speaking about. I have been focused in on God's coming wrath which is the seals, trumpet and bowl judgments which will cover a seven year time period. When God rains fire down upon that group at the end of the thousand years, it will just be a quick event and over with and then on to the great white throne judgment. Do you see the difference between those events?
Well, I wouldn't be teaching on any of these topics if I wasn't sure about what I am talking about. I guess all of the naysayers will have to find out the order of events by seeing them take place.
I never said there was anything wrong with copying and pasting scripture. its not always easy to remember scripture word for word. the fact that you have studied all what is written in revelation for a long time, really doesnt mean you could be right with all your understanding Of Gods Judgement or the way events unfold in the chronological order it does. There are many scholars out there that believe scripture isnt in exact chronological order but what there actuall saying is theres some things they dont understand, all tho they probably wouldnt admit it either.
The holy spirit for me is the one that does the final Judgement. and in the white throne Judgment room. I asked in prayer to see the white throne of Judgement room where people will be Judged. and its beautiful what i saw in my dream.
The light is amazing its a dome shaped room of light with a spiral roof and walls that looks like stone, but its really light. you stand there in spirit in the middle of the room which is a 20 foot wide circular room. inside the room there is an arch windows that Glows white, and your told to look at the window by two witnessess, who are celestial beings. who sit on pews in front of you one being is gold the other being magenta. behind them is more witnessess, saints real people who eyes shine like Jewels. the two witnesses say can you look into the white window. you look and all of a suden it starts to glow white. you dont know its the holy spirit untill the Three lights light up on the top of the window. when three light lights up at the top of the window the judgement starts and the white light that is looking at you through the window starts to glow, brighter. if the window turns blue your fine your told your free to go the same blue that lights up in the window lights up in you . you look in front of you and all the witnesses are Gone. a door is opened and the holy spirit speaks to you from the windows and says, your ok and free to go. when you walk out through the door out side, the place is beautiful. grounds and walls of light every where,
The holy spirit for me is the one that does the final Judgement. and in the white throne Judgment room. I asked in prayer to see the white throne of Judgement room where people will be Judged. and its beautiful what i saw in my dream.
The light is amazing its a dome shaped room of light with a spiral roof and walls that looks like stone, but its really light. you stand there in spirit in the middle of the room which is a 20 foot wide circular room. inside the room there is an arch windows that Glows white, and your told to look at the window by two witnessess, who are celestial beings. who sit on pews in front of you one being is gold the other being magenta. behind them is more witnessess, saints real people who eyes shine like Jewels. the two witnesses say can you look into the white window. you look and all of a suden it starts to glow white. you dont know its the holy spirit untill the Three lights light up on the top of the window. when three light lights up at the top of the window the judgement starts and the white light that is looking at you through the window starts to glow, brighter. if the window turns blue your fine your told your free to go the same blue that lights up in the window lights up in you . you look in front of you and all the witnesses are Gone. a door is opened and the holy spirit speaks to you from the windows and says, your ok and free to go. when you walk out through the door out side, the place is beautiful. grounds and walls of light every where,
What fascinates me about Noah having to go through the entire Tribulation of the Flood with the knowledge that [ALL] humanity would be lost and his seed would replenish the Earth, is that Noah is called 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. [AND] God still made him go through the Tribulation.
How many [JUST People and PERFECT for our generation People are there today walking with God]?
Participating just in this thread alone are at least 20 people who would fit that bill under the Blood of Christ and Saved by the Grace of God. And we're still not up to scale as who Noah was in his walk with God.
If God made a better person than all of us go through the Tribulation of his day, who do we think we are exempt from our Tribulation?
Just fascinating that some believe that!
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What fascinates me about Noah having to go through the entire Tribulation of the Flood with the knowledge that [ALL] humanity would be lost and his seed would replenish the Earth, is that Noah is called 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. [AND] God still made him go through the Tribulation.
How many [JUST People and PERFECT for our generation People are there today walking with God]?
Participating just in this thread alone are at least 20 people who would fit that bill under the Blood of Christ and Saved by the Grace of God. And we're still not up to scale as who Noah was in his walk with God.
If God made a better person than all of us go through the Tribulation of his day, who do we think we are exempt from our Tribulation?
Just fascinating that some believe that!
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Agreed. Jesus use of the Noah archetype is entirely consistent with Israel prevailing through the tribulation. Furthermore there's always the potential (and REAL) manifestation of the Chuck Missler theory of Nephilim/DNA tampering/Trans-humanism going on TODAY as it
parallels back to the time before the flood (fallen angels/daughters of Adam Nephilim half breeds) to consider......
parallels back to the time before the flood (fallen angels/daughters of Adam Nephilim half breeds) to consider......