Should we support police ?

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To me it's very simple. Police act as an active and passive deterrent for many heinous acts that would normally occur without their presence.

Getting rid of police, or any power slot, creates a vacuum. What fills a power vacuum is not necessarily better than what was before. In our world it'll probably be something worse. Think of roving gangs patrolling your suburbs to collect taxes or take your property.

We may be heading back to the wild west.
 
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A lot of drs as well as nurses are refusing the vax and not recommending them. As for policemen I worked with them as a county C.O. and can say they put up with a lot of garbage. Everyone has their breaking point and unless you have dealt with some of these criminals, usually the same ones over and over, you have no idea.
 
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The police are a part of the world system. They are also individuals. A good friend of mine was hassled by the police. He was 70 and manhandled as if he was a violent offender. All he did was get into an argument, which he did not start.

I also have had help from the police that warmed my heart. It has to be one of the hardest jobs there is. It's easy to criticise, but we could also pray for them.

It pays to remember that the media has the ability to paint a completely biased picture. When a black man is killed by a cop, it is headline news. How many cops have been killed in the line of duty? In Australia, not so many. In gun-happy USA, way too many. I don't recall an organisation called "Police lives matter" starting up. Perhaps it should.

The police enforce the law, they do not make laws. The problems for Christians begin with antichrist governments. We should be praying for whoever is in authority. If we do not, don't be surprised when laws that are oppressive are enacted.
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The police enforce the law, so they should be able to pick and choose which laws to enforce. If they enforce unjust laws, they are apart of the problem. I don't really care about the media that much but I can understand why people get upset at police from what they see on the news. And yes it's ready to criticize law enforcement when they're the ones doing the oppressing.
 
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Runningman said:
To me it's very simple. Police act as an active and passive deterrent for many heinous acts that would normally occur without their presence.

Getting rid of police, or any power slot, creates a vacuum. What fills a power vacuum is not necessarily better than what was before. In our world it'll probably be something worse. Think of roving gangs patrolling your suburbs to collect taxes or take your property.

We may be heading back to the wild west.
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Also I never said to abolish the police, just that we shouldn't support them as a whole.
 
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The "law" was unlawful under the Nazis and it was unlawful under all the Canadian premiers and prime minister. And that was exactly my point. "We are simply following orders" won't wash when the law is unconstitutional and illegal.

Had the judges been true to their oaths of office, they would have ruled all COVID rules and regulations as unconstitutional (which has actually been the case in Spain recently). There was no science behind any of this. And the police commissioners had a moral and legal duty to determine if there was any science behind the COVID tyranny (just like the Sheriff of LA county has done). Especially after the Nuremberg trials and the Nuremberg Code.
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Ask the Dutch, Indonesians, the people of India, PNG and other afflicted nations if COVID is a problem. You will find out that it is a problem. And not all constitutions are the same, so "unconstitutional" may not apply in every country. It seems that the only thing that will please some Christians is to let this disease run its course and kill 2% of the world's population. That's assuming that it does not mutate into something more virulent. Check out the "Spanish Flu" which spread around the world just after WW1. COVID left unchecked could be just as bad or worse.
 
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RaceBoy said:
The police enforce the law, so they should be able to pick and choose which laws to enforce. If they enforce unjust laws, they are apart of the problem. I don't really care about the media that much but I can understand why people get upset at police from what they see on the news. And yes it's ready to criticize law enforcement when they're the ones doing the oppressing.
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You should do a ride along and get a look at the animals they deal with.
 
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You should do a ride along and get a look at the animals they deal with.
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I'm well aware that police deal with evil people, that's still no excuse to be sending people to jail just for being a Christian. Pleases stop making excuses for bad policing
 
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Gideon300 said:
Ask the Dutch, Indonesians, the people of India, PNG and other afflicted nations if COVID is a problem. You will find out that it is a problem. And not all constitutions are the same, so "unconstitutional" may not apply in every country.
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I went ahead and checked- I guess Canada's parliament is restricted by a bill of rights there, like the government in the US. I don't know if there were some emergency powers evoked or something, but I'm pretty sure a lot of what is going on there is unconstitutional. There could easily be some political theatre going on as well though.
 
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The police enforce the law, so they should be able to pick and choose which laws to enforce. If they enforce unjust laws, they are apart of the problem. I don't really care about the media that much but I can understand why people get upset at police from what they see on the news. And yes it's ready to criticize law enforcement when they're the ones doing the oppressing.
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Come into the real world. The police are subject to their own internal rules. The vast majority of cops do the right thing. That rarely gets a mention. I know a retired cop. He told me some of the rules and regulations they were forced to follow. And any of those rules were subject to change any at any time. No thanks.

Pick and choose laws? OK, so a drugged up motorist wipes out your car while speeding. He survives, you are in hospital. The cop feels sorry for the druggy and lets him off with a warning. He's free to go and take someone else out. How is that fair?

In relatively free societies, "unjust" is a matter of opinion. You either accept that cops must enforce the law or go with the trend to disband the police entirely. If you want civil war, that's exactly what you should do.

Just remember who puts secular authorities in place. Rebellion against them is rebellion against the One who puts them there.
 
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RaceBoy said:
The police enforce the law, so they should be able to pick and choose which laws to enforce. If they enforce unjust laws, they are apart of the problem. I don't really care about the media that much but I can understand why people get upset at police from what they see on the news. And yes it's ready to criticize law enforcement when they're the ones doing the oppressing.
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As someone very familiar with the police, that isn't really how they work. There is a reason they are called "the strong arm of the law." They have orders to enforce some laws, show leniency on other laws, or ignore other laws completely.

A police officer has a lot of discretion and is considered a competent witness for court purposes. Unless proven otherwise, what they say is more credible than the average person, generally speaking.
 
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I don't know if I understood it...jusT want to share what i think about the cops...thanks 😊


I have 3 siblings who decided to enter the police force but at the moment only one is serving, the other one is still waiting to get accepted and the other one she didn't pursue to become one,to work in the police force after graduating from college...she decided to follow another path...


Now that my younger brother is in the police force I understand them more now...how they make daily sacrifices and brave acts to protect everyone...my brother sometimes can't go home because of his work... He missed many special occasions... Though we want him to be present always ...we understand that he is now a police officer, his responsibility is bigger now....Ahhhh I pray harder now,that he is already a cop because i know the danger he is facing everyday...so without hesitation I fully support the Police...because i believe that there are more good cops out there than the bad ones...and i know that my brother, he is one of the good ones. 😇
 
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I can definitely see most police doing the right thing... right up until the constitution is reinterpreted. Then the good police will either have to become bad police or get fired. Until that happens, I'd say it's pretty safe to- in general- "support" the police.
 
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Pick and choose laws? OK, so a drugged up motorist wipes out your car while speeding. He survives, you are in hospital. The cop feels sorry for the druggy and lets him off with a warning. He's free to go and take someone else out. How is that fair?
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What are of don't enforce unjust laws do you not understand ? Your example is a just law and that person should be punished.

"In relatively free societies, "unjust" is a matter of opinion. You either accept that cops must enforce the law or go with the trend to disband the police entirely. If you want civil war, that's exactly what you should do."

To be fair when I say unjust I mostly mean immoral. Of course they are gonna enforce some things that people disagree with. And no I don't agree with abolishing police.

"Come into the real world. The police are subject to their own internal rules. The vast majority of cops do the right thing. That rarely gets a mention. I know a retired cop. He told me some of the rules and regulations they were forced to follow. And any of those rules were subject to change any at any time. No thanks."

No the vast majority of cops don't do the right thing. They do whatever the state tells them. And you're right the media does highlight the bad cops more often then the"good" ones. As for rules changing anytime that's ok so as long as it's not morally wrong.

"Just remember who puts secular authorities in place. Rebellion against them is rebellion against the One who puts them there."

I've never forgotten that God have them the authority. I'm simply questioning what they're doing with there God given authority.
 
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RaceBoy said:
we don't need a police officer for a car accident,
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Ever been in a car accident? Or have your parked vehicle hit by a reckless drunk driver?
Yes, you DO need a police officer to make a report of it, especially if you plan on getting either parties insurance involved.
 
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As someone very familiar with the police, that isn't really how they work. There is a reason they are called "the strong arm of the law." They have orders to enforce some laws, show leniency on other laws, or ignore other laws completely.
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So they can choose which laws to enforce then ?

"A police officer has a lot of discretion and is considered a competent witness for court purposes. Unless proven otherwise, what they say is more credible than the average person, generally speaking."

That's correct. But courts should not be bias.
 
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Ever been in a car accident? Or have your parked vehicle hit by a reckless drunk driver?
Yes, you DO need a police officer to make a report of it, especially if you plan on getting either parties insurance involved.
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That's because of how the world does things. We don't be l need a guy or girl with a gun to respond to an accident, dui I can understand, but a simple "traffic enforcer" or social worker can handle car accidents.
 
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Gideon300 said:
Ask the Dutch, Indonesians, the people of India, PNG and other afflicted nations if COVID is a problem. You will find out that it is a problem.
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Let's take the case of India.

Large number of HCQ doses bought by US have come from India: Donald Trump
https://www.business-standard.com/a...ave-come-from-india-trump-120040800426_1.html
Why? to treat COVID.

So if India had simple bumped up its HCQ production (or retained those 29 million doses) and made it freely available to all its citizens (along with ivermectin), the whole so-called "pandemic" would have is disappeared.

India could have even supplied SE Asia with tons of HCQ and stuck to its guns. They did not need any lockdowns, and nobody needed any lockdowns. But they went along with the globalist agenda and paid for it. They even sabotaged ivermectin AFTER the deaths dropped significantly. Can you believe this stupidity?
 
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RaceBoy said:
So they can choose which laws to enforce then ?
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To some extent, yes. Bigger picture is public safety and community relations. There's no need to pull everyone over and write a ticket for every minor infraction.
 
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To some extent, yes. Bigger picture is public safety and community relations. There's no need to pull everyone over and write a ticket for every minor infraction.
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So you're further proving my point that the police are the problem when they enforce unjust laws.
 
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Subhumanoidal said:
For now maybe move to Chicago and let me know how well not backing the police works out.
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We've seen how well things are going in Chicago. :eek:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3241435/chicago-mayor-lori-lightfoot-meets-joe-biden-shootings-weekend/
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-...10-to-1-as-spike-in-crime-reaches-fever-pitch
https://www.foxnews.com/media/chicago-alderman-defund-police-agenda-crime-spreading-suburbs
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-violence-at-least-7-killed-55-shot-this-weekend
 
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