Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future

[OldSage]

How do you know that the Jesus is not the "Man" in Lev27:28 that is "set[ting] apart" [or, has 'set apart'] something or someone/s or some place ELSE (besides Himself) as "qodes qadasim [H6944 H6944] " (to the LORD)... and doing/does the "anoint" thing (at a different time from when He Himself was "anointed" according to your view)?? [Dan9:24]

Just askin'...





[I'm thinking of verses like Acts 17:31 - "31 because He has set [/fixed / established] a day in which He will judge [a]the world in righteousness [b]through [/in / en] a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all people [c]by raising Him from the dead.” (note: not "a singular 24-hr day," mind you)]

Because Jesus offered up himself

 

[OldSage]

Refresh my memory as to your view (I think I may be getting your viewpoint mixed up with another poster, or two )... when are you saying this "anointing of Jesus" occurred?

After the resurrection, before the 40 days amongst the disciples - so around April 05 33AD - early morning

 

[OldSage]

1 kings 6; 16 16 He built twenty cubits on the rear part of the house with boards of cedar from the floor to the [a]ceiling; he built them for it on the inside as an inner sanctuary, even as the most holy place.

this is how david, who understood the written word in Hs day, would have interpreted that verse. Same words

You have no idea how David thought or understood the Word. Such a remark is foolish

to anoint the most holy place is to anoint the place in the sanctuary ie, the most holy place. The place that Daniel writes will be made desolate when an abomination is placed inside it rendering it unclean

when it is cleaned of this abomination, it will be anointed as the true holy place the temple where Jesus himself will rule

one thing of interpretation. We interpret it as those who wrote or origional read it would have interpreted, that’s keeps us from adding our own interpretation and getting it wrong

Lol. I should say.

Anyhow, in your crazy exegesis the Temple is rebuilt by the end of the 69th week, where we pause the video.....for 2000 years

When we come back we have 7 years in which to destroy the Temple and then reconstruct it and anoint the Holy of Holies.

Do you not ever tire of this nonsense?

 

[GaryA]

I take it that you do not believe that the following person that Daniel 7 refers to...



... and described there as [having] "a mouth that spake very great things" (v.20) and who "shall speak great words against the most High" in the same way that the first beast of Rev13:5-7,1 does: "[there was given unto him] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies..."
[and let the reader note how Dan7:22 connects with Rev20:4a]...

... you do not see as being the same person (and referring to the same time-slot)?



IOW, you believe zero of what is written in Daniel speaks prophetically of a far-future person and time period, am I reading you right?






[Acts 3:21 - "whom indeed it behooves heaven to receive until the times of restoration of all things of which God spoke by/through [dia] the mouth of His holy prophets from the age." i.e. His OT prophets and OT prophecies]

same entity
Daniel's future
our past-present-future

 

[OldSage]

1 kings 6; 16 16 He built twenty cubits on the rear part of the house with boards of cedar from the floor to the [a]ceiling; he built them for it on the inside as an inner sanctuary, even as the most holy place.

this is how david, who understood the written word in Hs day, would have interpreted that verse. Same words

to anoint the most holy place is to anoint the place in the sanctuary ie, the most holy place. The place that Daniel writes will be made desolate when an abomination is placed inside it rendering it unclean

when it is cleaned of this abomination, it will be anointed as the true holy place the temple where Jesus himself will rule

one thing of interpretation. We interpret it as those who wrote or origional read it would have interpreted, that’s keeps us from adding our own interpretation and getting it wrong

I mean what you are saying is so bonkers it defies belief.
If it was what you (aka King David of Israel) think, then
the anointing of the Holy of Holies took place circa 519BC at the reconstruction of the Temple.
Although this is not mentioned by Ezra and so is disqualified from being the prophetic fulfillment.

But then I know a lot of you run the from a later command 457BC? but this is all so tortured and crazy it is hard to take it seriously enough to debate. You are in fact saying

'From the command to rebuild Jerusalem 70 weeks AND A 2000 YEAR GAP are required to ......AND TO DESTROY THE TEMPLE AND THEN REBUILD IT, and then to anoint the Holiest ....

 

[GaryA]

^
Daniel 7 - "21 As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and prevailing against them,"

Revelation 13 - " 7 And there was given to it [/him] to make war with the saints, and to overcome them. And authority was given to it [/him] over every tribe and people and tongue and nation."

Mainly referring to the Dark Ages.

The RCC "having its way with the saints"...

 

[GaryA]

when did Jesus confirm a covenant? for the many?

scripture please

LOL

You need to study the Covenant(s).

 

[GaryA]

Jesus confirmed it was yet to be a future event.

LOL

You sure have a funny idea about what 'confirmed' means...

 

[GaryA]

The prophecy of the Abomination of Desolation was not fulfilled in 70 AD.

I agree!

However - the Olivet Discourse prophecy that made an indirect reference to the AoD was fulfilled circa 70 A.D.

 

[GaryA]

You do realize that Josephus' writings are the ONLY extant eyewitness evidence of those events, right? Whatever you think of his character is irrelevant.

Character is never irrelevant - it makes the difference between telling the truth and telling a lie.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Mainly referring to the Dark Ages.

The RCC "having its way with the saints"...

Oh I remember, you're the one who "changes" the "42 months" (Rev13:5-7) into "1260 YEARS" (or some such)... only so much human reasoning, actually... *sigh*

(ya gotta force your theory to "fit" SOMEHOW... lol! )

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

'From the command to rebuild Jerusalem 70 weeks AND A 2000 YEAR GAP are required to ...

"FROM" and "UNTO the Messiah prince" is "7 Weeks [/Sevens] and 62 Weeks [/Sevens]"... AFTER which is the "CUT OFF" thing (re: Him)... and then the 70ad things are next in the SEQUENCE [/passage]... and the text still hasn't yet come to the "FOR ONE WEEK [7 years]" part, see... It's a SEQUENTIAL passage (agreeing with all other passages on this Subject, in THIS SAME SEQUENCE, elsewhere in Scripture )

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That makes no sense. Sorry. A 70 Week period is a *linear* 70 Week Period. Otherwise, it is 2 periods of 69 Weeks and 1 Week. Then, it would be a 69 Week period--not a 70 Week period.

I used to hold to a separation between the 69 Weeks and the 70th Week. I thought the 70th Week was reserved for the end of the age. Ultimately, I could not withstand the argument I'm now giving you.

And I also came to realize the Church Fathers saw it this way too. It convinced me that the 70th Week was fulfilled in the earthly ministry of Jesus, followed by the Roman Army's destruction of Jerusalem and the temple.

This is exactly what Jesus said in his Olivet Discourse. The Roman Army was described by him as an army encircling Jerusalem In his generation--see Luke 21.20. The Roman Army was the Abomination of Desolation.

1. Your arguments make no sense, especially since history does not agree
2. church fathers? When did John and Peter and James believe anything else? Even Paul knew when the time of the gentile was finished all Isreal would be saved
3. prophesy is linear, when you look at it straight up. Many times when you turn it sideways you see events are sequential in order. But their are valleys or gaps in between individual events of years. The best example being when Jesus read from a prophet and said today is that day, he stopped mid prophecy, the rest of that prophecy has yet to be fulfilled. Yet reading it, you would think it all happened at the same time

dan 9 is about Israel, Jerusalem and the temple. It’s not about the church, it’s not about the messiah, it’s about what Gabriel said it was about

dan 9 24 “Seventy [t]weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city,

there is the opening statement, there is the context. It is ALL about those two items (you can add the temple since the temple is built, destroyed, then a new temple is defiled by an idol) to make it about anything else is to take the prophecy out of context

since NON of the things which are said about Daniels people and holy city have been fulfilled. Dan 9 is not fulfilled

thats ALL we need to know

we don’t twist it, add to it, make it about something other than Israel or Jerusalem or the temple, only because our belief system does not want it to be about those things,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lol. I should say.

Anyhow, in your crazy exegesis the Temple is rebuilt by the end of the 69th week, where we pause the video.....for 2000 years

When we come back we have 7 years in which to destroy the Temple and then reconstruct it and anoint the Holy of Holies.

Do you not ever tire of this nonsense?

Who said anything about destroying the rebuilt temple?

do You have a reading problem? You like to make up stuff as if. Said it..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I mean what you are saying is so bonkers it defies belief.
If it was what you (aka King David of Israel) think, then
the anointing of the Holy of Holies took place circa 519BC at the reconstruction of the Temple.
Although this is not mentioned by Ezra and so is disqualified from being the prophetic fulfillment.

But then I know a lot of you run the from a later command 457BC? but this is all so tortured and crazy it is hard to take it seriously enough to debate. You are in fact saying

'From the command to rebuild Jerusalem 70 weeks AND A 2000 YEAR GAP are required to ......AND TO DESTROY THE TEMPLE AND THEN REBUILD IT, and then to anoint the Holiest ....

Dude, your getting out of hand

i never said the new temple would be destroyed

either learn how to read what other people say, or back out, because your hurting yourself

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Anyhow, in your crazy exegesis the Temple is rebuilt by the end of the 69th week, where [...]

I don't think anyone in this thread has suggested that ^ ...

 

[OldSage]

"FROM" and "UNTO the Messiah prince" is "7 Weeks [/Sevens] and 62 Weeks [/Sevens]"... AFTER which is the "CUT OFF" thing (re: Him)... and then the 70ad things are next in the SEQUENCE [/passage]... and the text still hasn't yet come to the "FOR ONE WEEK [7 years]" part, see... It's a SEQUENTIAL passage (agreeing with all other passages on this Subject, in THIS SAME SEQUENCE, elsewhere in Scripture )

And? so?

 

[OldSage]

Dude, your getting out of hand

i never said the new temple would be destroyed

either learn how to read what other people say, or back out, because your hurting yourself

When was the Holy of Holies anointed?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

LOL

You need to study the Covenant(s).

So you have no answer?

then how can I see it your way?

the passage says he confirms a covenant of 1 week, but in the middle of the week he does the abomination of desolation

you say he is Jesus,

when did he confirm a covenant?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

LOL

You sure have a funny idea about what 'confirmed' means...

and This is supposed to help me see your view?
this tells me you have no reply, so you just try to mock the other person,

smh