Warning to Christians: Totally Refuse COVID Vaccines

[Billyd]

A month ago there was 1 in the hospital here with covid19. Today there are 21. None were vaccinated, and the primary variant is delta. We are only a week away from the Independence Day weekend. We'll see what the numbers are next week.

 

[DeanM]

A month ago there was 1 in the hospital here with covid19. Today there are 21. None were vaccinated, and the primary variant is delta. We are only a week away from the Independence Day weekend. We'll see what the numbers are next week.

Thats if you believe the diagnostics and the numbers. Im way past believing either.

 

[SophieT]

I'm reading on that even though one gets these vaccines the CDC says wearing masks and practicing social distancing 6ft apart will continue to be critical in preventing transmission.

no use to get the (cough) vaccine then

people no longer trust these people with their constant conflicting advice

 

[SophieT]

But the insanity of people saying others will lose their salvation if they take the vaccine??

I haven't seen that, but maybe you could provide a post wherein that was stated?

I would say fear works both ways. Fear, is not of God

no one is loosing their salvation over this, their life on earth maybe, but not their salvation

 

[Nehemiah6]

From Nehemiah who started the thread, (whom I now believe is mentally ill!)

Thanks for that insulting comment. So if I am mentally ill then you are totally delusional about this matter since you have swallowed all the lies.

Thankfully you are in a very TINY MINORITY of Christians and conservatives. Obviously you have absolutely no idea about the enormous damage these bogus vaccines are doing.

 

[Angela53510]

oh brother

and you use scripture to back it up? that's more than a little high handed. Canadian news makes it down here too...even on TV when you have pastors being arrested and churches shut and the police going into peoples homes and dragging people out all over fear fear and more fear. no patience LOL!



who is the we? we had church all through this manufactured crisis. you could listen online, or go the parking lot and listen over a radio station so no one felt isolated. like in Canada. when the building opened, there was 6 feet apart seating and masks until now when you no longer have to wear a mask and you can sit as you please...except for a section where people can sit apart if they want. It's called COMMON SENSE and we did not need a dictator to shove it on us or arrest us.



oh this is really precious. where is that Christian love and fruit of the Spirit you mentioned?

whatever LOL! smh you sound like a school kid whining about something

Ever heard of Romans 13? Well all those crazy pastors who got put in jail were disobeying Paul in Romans 13:1-5

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience."

Every one of these pastors broke the above verses, and they got their consequences. I was born and raised in Alberta, and lived there from 2000-2014. A lot of rednecks, with low information. Coates was in a cult. He was in a church that had to be live, with all the congregation meeting at the same time. How me where the Bible says that is necessary? It is no where!

My church in BC, we did Zoom for 15 months. Today was our first day back in church. Most still wore masks, even though it is not required by the gov't, but we have a lot of old people, so the pastor requested it.

Every single church that met in person during the pandemic was breaking the provincial laws and the law of God. And too influenced by American media in some cases!

In BC we kept our deaths and cases lower than the rest of Canada. (Forgive me if I constantly forget the Maritimes, they were crazy locked up!)

We had a real crisis with COVID which is now, almost over, despite the fact we have no facilities to make vaccines, and had to buy from other countries.

Trudeau-I have no words for this corrupt, ethically challenged lying communist dictator. OK, maybe a few. Yet we survived in spite of him. And to hate Trudeau these days has become mainstream. He may win the election he is going to call, because we have so many right wing splinter parties who will split the vote. We are almost communist, but hopefully people will wake up and realize another 4 years of this idiot will destroy Canada. I've never voted Liberal in my life, since his father was elected head of the Liberal party in 1967. He was creepy then, but at least had a few brains, compared to his son Justin, who flunked grade 7, and flunked out of 3 university programs on the environment. Justin is no more than a puppet for China, and on the strings of his stupid advisors, who ran Ontario into the biggest debt of any sun-sovereign entity, with the mess they made out of green power. (Not discussing Green because it is the worst modern invention there is!)

If it was up to the west, Trudeau would have been gone in 2019. The Conservatives won the popular vote by 200K. But the Liberals got 36 more seats, because Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes have so much fewer people per riding. Western Canada needs to double the number of seats, and the east will never let that happened.
People per riding:
- PEI: 35K
- NB & NS 65K
- Quebec: 75K
- Ontario: 100K
- BC & AB: 130K

As you can see, the west has been robbed. It's why you are going to hear the west fighting to separate, esp if Trudeau wins this uncalled but coming election.

As for getting Canadian news makes you an expert on Canada, not so much. I rarely comment on US news, and I have lived in the US for 2 years, we have 10 American channels straight from the US, plus I have many family members who live in the US, either born there or naturalized. So stay out of Canadian affairs, as you know nothing about them.

And as I said "Freedom" and William Wallace is an American cultural value, not Canadian. We value other things! (I took a course in politics last year and we had students from China and Vietnam, and me! I held my own on each political issue, and even won a few people my way!)

 

[Angela53510]

Thanks for that insulting comment. So if I am mentally ill then you are totally delusional about this matter since you have swallowed all the lies.

Thankfully you are in a very TINY MINORITY of Christians and conservatives. Obviously you have absolutely no idea about the enormous damage these bogus vaccines are doing.

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If the shoe fits, wear it! I've seen you get vehement about many issues. You have thought things out, and then hold on rigidly, rather than re-examining your truths from time to time, which we all need to do.

But you are out of control with your vaccine conspiracy nonsense. Sorry, we had thousands and thousands of cases and deaths from COVID, and vaccines have stopped that. We are unlocked here, although people like me are still cautious!!

All I ask is that you confine your conspiracy theories to the conspiracy forum where they belong. As for getting help for your vehemence, I'm sure you would never listen to me. Violent anger is not the mark of a mature Christian. Your anger comes through in almost every post, with large letters, bolded, and what amounts to internet screaming.

Please take it where it belongs, and you will have no problem with me! And, the statistics have born out the vaccine is effective, and I have yet to meet a person who has had a reaction from the vaccine, including my RA group on FB with 2500 immune compromised people. Stop with the false statistics and the bullying. I am not going to be bullied by someone with severe paranoia.

 

[DeanM]

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If the shoe fits, wear it! I've seen you get vehement about many issues. You have thought things out, and then hold on rigidly, rather than re-examining your truths from time to time, which we all need to do.

But you are out of control with your vaccine conspiracy nonsense. Sorry, we had thousands and thousands of cases and deaths from COVID, and vaccines have stopped that. We are unlocked here, although people like me are still cautious!!

All I ask is that you confine your conspiracy theories to the conspiracy forum where they belong. As for getting help for your vehemence, I'm sure you would never listen to me. Violent anger is not the mark of a mature Christian. Your anger comes through in almost every post, with large letters, bolded, and what amounts to internet screaming.

Please take it where it belongs, and you will have no problem with me! And, the statistics have born out the vaccine is effective, and I have yet to meet a person who has had a reaction from the vaccine, including my RA group on FB with 2500 immune compromised people. Stop with the false statistics and the bullying. I am not going to be bullied by someone with severe paranoia.

And, the statistics have born out the vaccine is effective.

Figures lie and liars figure. People in the U.S. better take a hard look at Canada. The iron hand of the communist party you see there is rapidly heading south.

 

[PennEd]

How this woman’s family , and untold THOUSANDS of others, who have died within a short time after receiving the satanic injection, wished they had listened to the paranoid nuts:

Robin Spring Saunders: 45-year-old Baltimore woman gets mandatory mRNA injection for employment, dead six days later



BALTIMORE — A 45-year-old mother achieved her goal of employment at one of the most prestigious universities in the world. But she never made it to her first day of work.
Ms. Robin Spring Saunders received her first injection of experimental mRNA on June 21, according to her Facebook page. It’s unclear if it was Pfizer or Moderna. But at this point, it doesn’t really matter. She apparently was not thrilled about receiving the shot. But she did it as a condition of employment at Johns Hopkins University, which mandates the experimental shots for all faculty and staff.

The adverse effects were almost immediate. Her cousin, Crystal Grainger, wrote on Sunday morning, June 27 that Ms. Saunders was experiencing life-threatening reactions. She was on a ventilator and suffered from brain and heart issues.

Ms. Grainger, as some others have reported, said the reaction came after the second injection. But that would mean Ms. Saunders received two shots in less than a week, which is highly unlikely and very dangerous. Several family members and friends confirmed it was the first shot.
The damage was too severe to overcome. Ms. Autumn Harvey, Robin’s daughter, confirmed that her mother passed away later that afternoon. Several others confirmed her death thereafter.

From dream to nightmare
It appears Ms. Saunders wanted to work with autistic children and earned credentials to do so. Her Facebook page indicates that she bootstrapped her way to the Johns Hopkins opportunity. She was working several jobs at the time, including Home Depot, Lowe’s and Amazon. She was hired at Johns Hopkins University to fulfill her midlife goal.
Several friends and family members talked about filing a lawsuit against Johns Hopkins. It will be interesting to see if they follow through. Ms. Saunders is survived by her mother and daughter.

 

[Runningman]

There is only one word to describe this thread!

Paranoia!

From Nehemiah who started the thread, (whom I now believe is mentally ill!) to almost every Bozo and clown who posted, you are obsessed with lies and propaganda from the right.

Coronavirus doesn't care which side of the political spectrum someone sympathizes with. So why do you?

 

[posthuman]

I've been 'attending' a church thousands of miles from me virtually for around 5 years, so it was nothing to me to be encouraged to avoid large gatherings - tho no one here in the Bible belt where I live ever prohibited a church service. I disdain crowds already.
My church is 90% internet to begin with. Churches in my area VOLUNTARILY switched to drive-in or virtual formats out of respect for the laws and consideration of others, and this was actually a great blessing to elderly & shut-ins, who didn't have a way to meet and hear the word preached before, but now do.

That's one thing I've noticed in the past year and a half - almost no one was thanking God that we have all these ways to stay connected. But plenty of people were using those same outlets to complain!

 

[Jocund]

The number of cycles (Ct) for the PCR test influences the false positive rates. Individual factors are taken into consideration when choosing the number of cycles that are run. Is vaccination status not one of the individual characteristics taken into consideration? If a lower number of cycles is chosen for vaccinated individuals, the number of false positives will also decrease. If this is the case, it would be very easy to make it appear like cases are going down when in actuality there may have not been a genuine statistically significant trend change.

"Ct values are not directly comparable from one PCR test kit to the next, and can change with increased transportation times, sample storage conditions, and sample collection method. Because of this, Ct values can help support lab specialists in validating results as well as reviewing complex cases. However, they need to be considered alongside the other important factors we discussed earlier – like exposure history and individual characteristics."

Vaccine proponents mindlessly parroting brainwash-media talking points does nothing for rational discourse. "Paranoia! propaganda! Nonsense! I personally didn't see anything! Right winger! Mentally ill! Nazi! Racist! White Supremacist!" ... I'm pretty done with the appeal to emotion. I'm pretty done with the vacuous and lazy labels aimed at shaming people into a rash decision (or worse, aimed at inspiring animosity). Especially when the labels have nothing to do with the topic! Let information be transparent and allow everyone to weigh the risks and rewards for themselves. If you came to the conclusion that the vaccine was right for you, that's fine. Maybe you're a vaccinologist or a lead lab tech for the tests and have in-depth proprietary data that informs your choice. If so, great! Please share as you are able. But if your information comes only from what you see on TV and what your friends say, don't assume that everyone is going to share that same incredibly low standard of evidence.

What does it matter to you if some choose not to get an Emergency Act, state of emergency, injection? What if someone has religious reasons for not partaking in the injection? Should the state lock them up? Force an injection? Disown them from healthcare? Slowly take away all of their rights and freedoms in the name of their own "safety"? Call them a menace to society and punish them for wrongthink? At what point does the witch-hunt end?

We can trust the billionaire sponsored media when they say Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia, right?

 

[DeanM]

Normally it takes 10 years or more for the CDC to sign off on a drug. Thought I would mention that in my right wing paranoia.

 

[49]

There is only one word to describe this thread!

Paranoia!

From Nehemiah who started the thread, (whom I now believe is mentally ill!) to almost every Bozo and clown who posted, you are obsessed with lies and propaganda from the right.

Of course, there were a few rational people like Post Human and Aidan and a few other people, but the rest of the thread is just nonsense.

This thread was started some time ago. We were all worried back in the day. At one point I gave into my youngest son and his wife, and their fear-mongering, and decided I would not get the vaccine, because I felt too much was unknown. But gradually, a lot of doctors, who are my doctors, my in-laws and my friends, talked rationally about the virus, and got the vaccine with no ill effects. My 91 year old mom got Moderna back in March, had a sore arm, and is doing fine in her long term care. She was in hospital for pelvic and hip breaks the whole first year. I was terrified she was in hospital, in places with COVID outbreaks, but the next year, Feb 2021, my sister arranged her vaccines and she has been fine. Her Care facility has had no outbreaks since the vaccinations started.

Over and over I look at less than reputable links, lies about infertility in girls from the vaccine, which is nothing more than a sketchy theory, although certainly there are young men who have been affected by the vaccines in their hearts. So, not saying the process is perfect.

But the insanity of people saying others will lose their salvation if they take the vaccine?? How far from the person of Christ can you get? God saves us, no other. We cannot be left or forsaken by God, ever. Examine your bad Arminian theology, which you have taken to a crazy extreme. (Not all Arminians did this, I thank you!) But some people are so brainwashed! The likes of Kenneth Copeland come to mind. His brand of heresy led to the death of a friend of mine with breast cancer, when she refused medical treatment and died when the cancer metastasized!

I don't know what some of you would do with me. I was prayed for, prayed over, begged God for healing. God's answer was to take me from bed ridden to normal, in only a few months, with the right RA meds. God even used my good health to call me to an MDiv and now a PhD. Not for my own vanity, but to help people who are disabled.

I consider ignoring medicine to be a terrible sort of vanity. God provides us with doctors and researchers, the use the clues of our body to fight back against diseases. I doubt I would be alive without the meds I take. This vaccine works. All of them. The troubled vaccines have been removed, while millions have gone on to be 100x safer from COVID. I stayed inside my property line for almost a year. I found out I was rushed and COVID quarantine was a great break. I also did not get one cold turning into pneumonia in 15 months. During this time, the bottoms of my lungs dried out, and the bottoms started to function. I will be wearing my mask in the future at all times, not because of COVID, but because of the common cold. I do have a very fancy carbon filtered mask, which really does protect from viruses and molecules. So, I am healthier than in 30 years, and my asthma is gone, too!

There was one thing in the OP that Nehemiah said that was true. He said he brought this discussion out of the conspiracy forum.

No doubt that was a terrible mistake! There was no discussing the Bible, except for a few people throwing in a few verses. This was a politically paranoid discussion. Next time, please keep it where it belongs in the conspiracy forum, so the balanced and sane among us don't have to put up with crazy, poorly referenced nut-case theories!

Let's stick to the Bible in the Bible Discussion Forum! Take politics and medicine elsewhere!

to almost every Bozo and clown who posted

Nice!! Smh....

 

[Nehemiah6]

The number of cycles (Ct) for the PCR test influences the false positive rates.

Correct. And all those tests were set at a Ct value of 35-48 to generate tons of false positives, which then became bogus "cases" to grossly inflate numbers, and cause fear and panic. They were neither cases nor positive tests. It was all smoke and mirrors.

Had the tests been done correctly at a maximum of 25 Ct, no one would have been deemed positive and the whole scam would have gone down the drain. And even now, that same procedure seems to be in vogue.

Also, the test is simply indicating genetic material from infections. Not necessarily the actual virus (which has never been properly isolated).

 

[Runningman]

The number of cycles (Ct) for the PCR test influences the false positive rates. Individual factors are taken into consideration when choosing the number of cycles that are run. Is vaccination status not one of the individual characteristics taken into consideration? If a lower number of cycles is chosen for vaccinated individuals, the number of false positives will also decrease. If this is the case, it would be very easy to make it appear like cases are going down when in actuality there may have not been a genuine statistically significant trend change.



Vaccine proponents mindlessly parroting brainwash-media talking points does nothing for rational discourse. "Paranoia! propaganda! Nonsense! I personally didn't see anything! Right winger! Mentally ill! Nazi! Racist! White Supremacist!" ... I'm pretty done with the appeal to emotion. I'm pretty done with the vacuous and lazy labels aimed at shaming people into a rash decision (or worse, aimed at inspiring animosity). Especially when the labels have nothing to do with the topic! Let information be transparent and allow everyone to weigh the risks and rewards for themselves. If you came to the conclusion that the vaccine was right for you, that's fine. Maybe you're a vaccinologist or a lead lab tech for the tests and have in-depth proprietary data that informs your choice. If so, great! Please share as you are able. But if your information comes only from what you see on TV and what your friends say, don't assume that everyone is going to share that same incredibly low standard of evidence.

What does it matter to you if some choose not to get an Emergency Act, state of emergency, injection? What if someone has religious reasons for not partaking in the injection? Should the state lock them up? Force an injection? Disown them from healthcare? Slowly take away all of their rights and freedoms in the name of their own "safety"? Call them a menace to society and punish them for wrongthink? At what point does the witch-hunt end?

We can trust the billionaire sponsored media when they say Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia, right?

They love to use loaded labels to demonize their opposition. If they can't beat them on the battlefield of ideas then appeal to the irrational hearts of easily-swayed mobs.

 

[Nehemiah6]

But you are out of control with your vaccine conspiracy nonsense.

Angela,

It's about time you stopped your nonsensical comments. You are not even competent to discuss this since you have failed to properly investigate the matter. So before you make another insulting remark, make sure you study this dossier which is in the public domain.

The Fauci/COVID-19 Dossier

 

[Nehemiah6]

They love to use loaded labels to demonize their opposition. If they can't beat them on the battlefield of ideas then appeal to the irrational hearts of easily-swayed mobs.

Who is demonizing whom? Are you posting this to support the liars who have been demonizing people who expose their COVID lies?

 

[Runningman]

Who is demonizing whom? Are you posting this to support the liars who have been demonizing people who expose their COVID lies?

I was intentionally vague so the reader could interpret it any way they want to.

Personally, I am an antivaxxer so no I don't support the liars.

 

[SophieT]

Ever heard of Romans 13? Well all those crazy pastors who got put in jail were disobeying Paul in Romans 13:1-5

"Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience."

Every one of these pastors broke the above verses, and they got their consequences. I was born and raised in Alberta, and lived there from 2000-2014. A lot of rednecks, with low information. Coates was in a cult. He was in a church that had to be live, with all the congregation meeting at the same time. How me where the Bible says that is necessary? It is no where!

My church in BC, we did Zoom for 15 months. Today was our first day back in church. Most still wore masks, even though it is not required by the gov't, but we have a lot of old people, so the pastor requested it.

Every single church that met in person during the pandemic was breaking the provincial laws and the law of God. And too influenced by American media in some cases!

In BC we kept our deaths and cases lower than the rest of Canada. (Forgive me if I constantly forget the Maritimes, they were crazy locked up!)

We had a real crisis with COVID which is now, almost over, despite the fact we have no facilities to make vaccines, and had to buy from other countries.

Trudeau-I have no words for this corrupt, ethically challenged lying communist dictator. OK, maybe a few. Yet we survived in spite of him. And to hate Trudeau these days has become mainstream. He may win the election he is going to call, because we have so many right wing splinter parties who will split the vote. We are almost communist, but hopefully people will wake up and realize another 4 years of this idiot will destroy Canada. I've never voted Liberal in my life, since his father was elected head of the Liberal party in 1967. He was creepy then, but at least had a few brains, compared to his son Justin, who flunked grade 7, and flunked out of 3 university programs on the environment. Justin is no more than a puppet for China, and on the strings of his stupid advisors, who ran Ontario into the biggest debt of any sun-sovereign entity, with the mess they made out of green power. (Not discussing Green because it is the worst modern invention there is!)

If it was up to the west, Trudeau would have been gone in 2019. The Conservatives won the popular vote by 200K. But the Liberals got 36 more seats, because Ontario, Quebec and the Maritimes have so much fewer people per riding. Western Canada needs to double the number of seats, and the east will never let that happened.
People per riding:
- PEI: 35K
- NB & NS 65K
- Quebec: 75K
- Ontario: 100K
- BC & AB: 130K

As you can see, the west has been robbed. It's why you are going to hear the west fighting to separate, esp if Trudeau wins this uncalled but coming election.

As for getting Canadian news makes you an expert on Canada, not so much. I rarely comment on US news, and I have lived in the US for 2 years, we have 10 American channels straight from the US, plus I have many family members who live in the US, either born there or naturalized. So stay out of Canadian affairs, as you know nothing about them.

And as I said "Freedom" and William Wallace is an American cultural value, not Canadian. We value other things! (I took a course in politics last year and we had students from China and Vietnam, and me! I held my own on each political issue, and even won a few people my way!)

don't bother with your history a la Angie

I was born in Canada and have lived most of my life there, so you can just quit it with the "I know more than you do"

I'm only mentioning this because I find your bragging very distasteful and believe me, Canadians are no better than Americans

you are very quick to judge and with no mercy I might add. you can trust in your vaccine (God help you) and I will trust in God and the leading of His Spirit

I think you are probably just a little scared. you don't need to take it out on people here

sometimes it's good to just let people rattle on and see how far they will go, but before you damage your reputation anymore, I thought I would just let you know you are not talking to another dumb and spoiled American. I'm the best of both worlds now.

there really is nothing you can tell me about how great y'all are up there. easy to control too sadly