Am I fit to judge other Christians ?

Pilgrimshope · Jul 10, 2021

we’re meant to first be like Jesus bro so we want to be a United group of disciples who support and try to help one another until we’re like our master

“And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch? The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,

but perceivest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Either how canst thou say to thy brother, Brother, let me pull out the mote that is in thine eye, when thou thyself beholdest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

…., cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to pull out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:39

the idea is to be like Jesus and he was never pointing out sinners sins he was explaining to them how to repent and be set free from sins dominion over them you can find rebukes but it’s for the religious jidgemental folk in the gospel the sinners Jesus was hanging out with so they could hear about being saved from thier sins

they had all sinned and already knew it so the message “ God will forgive your sins if you come to the messiah “ os something sinners are hungry to hear it draws e. Into Jesus so they can hear his words and begin to have faith to repent and walk upright

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭

That’s what people need to believe the gospel for to have faith built by Christs word we can point out one another’s sins until the cows come home but until the perfect one like Jesus stands up to claim it we’re learning from God himself by listening to Jesus

Pilgrimshope · Jul 10, 2021

peldom10 said:

he told us to judge one another ?

“Let us not therefore judge one another any more:

but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:13-19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If you want a very harsh and demanding judgement then we’re told to judge one another , if you want a merciful judgement then we have to accept the thkngs jesus said about this stuff like the scripture above that Paul confirms

Pilgrimshope · Jul 10, 2021

TheLearner said:

1 Corinthians 5:12-13
Easy-to-Read Version
12-13 It is not my business to judge those who are not part of the group of believers. God will judge them, but you must judge those who are part of your group. The Scriptures say, “Make the evil person leave your group.”

1 John 3:14
We know that we have left death and have come into life. We know this because we love each other as brothers and sisters. Anyone who does not love is still in death.[/QUOTE]

Yes this is the post I had replied to before but it wasn’t meant for you I apologize about that

I like and agree with a lot of what your saying but I’m not sure about judging the group it poses the question the time of the judges has passed long ago in the ot and we have the one judge and he spoke his judgements and said anyone who believes and keeps his words will be saved

so where does Jesus say for us the believers who are imperfect yet to cast the sinners out ? Isn’t that for the leaders of the church to do ? I’m speaking as not a leader and judge but an imperfect Christian who’s still judging myself forst so how can I judge another ? It’s fruitless I feel or how can I who have been where the sinner is many times , cast him from the lords church ?

If I toss out a liar and e. Someday I find I’ve sinned somehow , how can I thy en return to the lord expecting forgiveness ?

it may be not understood I’m saying I’m. It worthy to judge and not willing to judge anyone else , but myself I walk in jidgement constantly over my own actions and thoughts I rather let Christ do it but as far as my sin it’s still there is my point.

Until I can see that I’m perfect and won’t ever come into the same situation Thy y have I’m not willing others may be there but not me I’m positive I’m. Ot supposed to judge those in my group

PC123 · Jul 10, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

how this part though

Maybe I’m looking at it along side o the r thkngs like this though

“Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

For one believeth that he may eat all things:

another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.

( notice that the two could argue over which foods are clean and which aren’t but they aren’t supposed to they each are serving God by their faith both are approved even though they are acting a bit differently ) so the lesson begins

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

One man esteemeth one day above another:

another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother?

for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

( Paul’s conclusion )

Let us not therefore judge one another any more:

but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14:1-13‬ ‭

He continued he’s on explaining if my insistence on details like if I’m convinced that pork is unclean and a sin to eat it , then . If I eat pork I’m condemning myself because it defiles my conscience and faith

but my brother he has stronger faith and understands that Jesus announced all foods to be clean and that food can’t make us unclean so this believer has his faith and freely eats all foods and it doesn’t condemn him because his conscience knows better

the reason I can’t judge you is because I don’t know what you know inside your faith God knows but I don’t . I could make judgements about you based on my own faith but Paul’s telling me not to

he’s telling me walk by your faith d let the other person walk by thiers . This of course excludes things like someone kills another now I’m just gonna ignore it no of course wickedness is to be confronted always and always

mostly we judge one another for details we know and they don’t do our judgement is askew when we look at other people God is able to judge them correctly based on thier understanding of him , we only know what we know about him

the more we know the more we must abide so I can’t set my judgement on someone else

“And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12:47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

exhortations . Edification , discussion ect all shouldn’t avoid the subjects of repentance and living right in just saying we need to see what’s being said about our roles and it’s not judges and accusers Satan accuses us and Jesus judges us

we’re just the ones being saved of condemned by who we serve

A society cannot function without law and order which requires judgement. True?

We judge people all the time,
Is she good enough to be my friend?
Can I trust this guy to be my employee?
Is this dentist better than that one?
Did the mechanic do a good job?
Do I mark this student's paper an A or B?
Which team played better?

Judgement is all around us.
It's what merit is built on. It develops trust.
Without it society would fail to function.

I still think such scripture is talking about bitter judgement, not the sort that I'm talking about

Pilgrimshope · Jul 10, 2021

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PC123 said:

yep agreed we hold judgement for ourselves as we walk through life , this is about within the church we of course like I’ve said a few times make judgements about our own decisions and life every day

If you were sitting with Jesus and a known sinner came in to eat with you and he , would the sinful woman be “good enough to be your friend ? “

“And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment, And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment. Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:37-39‬ ‭

she was good enough to be Jesus friend and get saved as she was because she loved him not because she was sinless

he ended up rebuking the religious Pharisee who had judged her not worthy and he saved the sinner because she loved him

“Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven. And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also? And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:47-50‬ ‭

I’m not talking about judging our lives and decisions I’m talking about what the Pharisee did when we judge others unworthy of our company we have to remember who’s living in us and not take the attitude of the oharisee

“But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭9:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭15:1‬ ‭

Righteous folks don’t have much need to hear about forgiveness of sins but broken down sinners sure come flocking to him it isn’t because he’s judging them guilty and pointing out sins

the Pharisees are an example of what not to be like is all I’m getting at

Gideon300 · Jul 11, 2021

de-emerald said:

The qualification is to be spiritual. 1 Corinthians 2:15. And judging is in the sense of evaluating, not in the sense of a court of law. If someone is stealing from the church treasury, it is not judging to call them out.

I saw a great cartoon once, a wolf covered with sheepskin in a flock of sheep. He's questioned by one of the sheep. The wolf replies that it's not right to judge him. It's foolish if you do not!

de-emerald · Jul 11, 2021

de-emerald said:

@Pilgrimshope you are only fit to Judge me if you have a rod of iron to wack me with.. now Judge that and rebuke me.

Gideon300 said:

I saw a great cartoon once to it was about a cat that cheated his way into becoming king, and after he became a king he carried on playing the good king whilst sticking two fingers upto to everyone behind there back. The cat had the whole herd fooled and reaped many rewards. But one day a little cat once lost in the wilderness because of the way he had been cheated by the bad cat came back and reclaimed his title and put and end to the ways of bad cat and banished him from the camp for ever.

Fools never prosper they allways get caught out in the end.

But personaly tho i find playing the baiting game a farce, ive got better things to do than sit around a forum baiting somebody into losing there cool testing peoples patience and then insult them with condemnation.
personaly i equate that to lying in a pool of cow dung it just stinks,

Evmur · Jul 11, 2021

Very often brethren leap upon your doctrinal beliefs because they don't really like you.

Pilgrimshope · Jul 11, 2021

de-emerald said:

de-emerald said:

@Pilgrimshope you are only fit to Judge me if you have a rod of iron to wack me with.. now Judge that and rebuke me.

I saw a great cartoon once to it was about a cat that cheated his way into becoming king, and after he became a king he carried on playing the good king whilst sticking two fingers upto to everyone behind there back. The cat had the whole herd fooled and reaped many rewards. But one day a little cat once lost in the wilderness because of the way he had been cheated by the bad cat came back and reclaimed his title and put and end to the ways of bad cat and banished him from the camp for ever.

Fools never prosper they allways get caught out in the end.

But personaly tho i find playing the baiting game a farce, ive got better things to do than sit around a forum baiting somebody into losing there cool testing peoples patience and then insult them with condemnation.
personaly i equate that to lying in a pool of cow dung it just stinks,

ok so stop inviting me to discuss the law with you and I won’t , sorry we couldn’t find a better agreement God bless

Pilgrimshope · Jul 11, 2021

Gideon300 said:

be spiritual ? In other words hear Gods word and make judgements according to that ?

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Isn’t that where we become spiritual listening to the hilt spirits teachings and believing those ?

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Foolish if I don’t judge others ? When I’m telling you plainly IM NOT WORTHY , I’m still judging my own self.

so yes if I saw someone robbing my church I would get involved I wouldn’t “ call them out “ I would. It’s likely call the police if they were robbing the church or a house or something

what I’m telling you is judgement is like this and it is sin itself

“For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:

Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:2-4‬ ‭KJV

Do you see what I’m saying to judge people by appearance just preferring a rich well dressed person over a ooor man dressed in rags that’s sin that is to be repented of itself just seeing people partially is not “ spiritual” jidgement

nor is this an example of spiritual jidgement but this kind of thing is always rebuked by Jesus Christ

But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.”

‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12:2‬ ‭

“And as he spake, a certain Pharisee besought him to dine with him: and he went in, and sat down to meat. And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner.”

‭‭Luke‬ ‭11:37-38‬

“Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.”

‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:39‬

What made those men so wrong ? All they were doing was noticing these aweful sinners sins ? Sometimes they didn’t even speak like the final example there but Jesus rebuked thoer thiufhts and judgement of the other people

Sure though if I saw someone in my church blatantly sinning , I would approach them after the mob weird down because in any church group there are already plenty of judges amongst them that’s something I’ve learned long ago churches don’t need more judges we need more followers and believers who don’t see others by thier sins like pharisees do

we need to see sinners like Jesus did not through Moses law but through the gospel everything changed with Christ

de-emerald · Jul 11, 2021

@Pilgrimshope you are only fit to Judge me if you have a rod of iron to wack me with.. now Judge that and rebuke me.

Pilgrimshope said:

Sorry brother you have the wrong idea my statement was a joke. your welcome to Judge opossing view points with scripture or if you think my view points are wrong. God bless. really i have no problem with people who judge view points with scripture in a freindly way tho. really i do appreciate the fellow ship and wisdom from people who have studied a long time. Hey i like friendly discussion brother. Just like you no doubt. ive got a few haters who hold grudges following me around at the moment looking to get me singled out. its ok tho ive got wise to them.

Pilgrimshope · Jul 11, 2021

de-emerald said:

um no I’m not making judgements about your viewpoint at all , I’m saying you invited me to discuss the law with you after we have already established hat it becomes a point t of contention between you and I , I don’t want to contend with Gods beloved children , I am guilty of all the same arguing but I don’t want to be part of it

when you invited me again it was very pleasant to my spirit because of the humility and kindness you displayed and envoked from me wanting forbid to be friends I want that also to be friends and. N Ot enemies

what I’m saying is maybe you and I shouldn’t discuss the law because we seem to butt heads in our viewpoints a lot on that subject on almost everything else I have slot of agreement so I’m saying maybe we can be friends and just forget about the past arguments

and possibly until we get closer in understanding about the law and our opposition in thinking about it we should avoid the subject between ourselves so as to not continue in any form of contention

I’m sorry for any times I have been short , or. Ot inderstood your posts . Sometimes I just don’t understand what someone is saying and think I do then later it sinks in

what I’m saying is I love you you are a prized possession of our savior and Lord and I feel as if I also am treasured and loved by him so let’s try to have a relationship here where we can avoid contrnrtuon and find some sort of Christian bond between each other

but I feel as if it’s necassary for us to have some grace for one another’s view point again I’m not removing my own guilt in this forum I’m just saying let’s do a better thing than we have because I honestly find a time of things you say when we aren’t bickering and hurting feelings very valuable tommy own growth

sometimes it’s alright if the person were talking with doesn’t come to our belief and I just look at my own actions sometimes and am ashamed e be just in this forum of how I respond to others

but I see almost everyone doing the same things and it’s like we’re blind and trying to make everyone else see

I hope you receive this as it is meant , I’m sorry for any offense I will try to do better

TheLearner · Jul 11, 2021

read to here

Pilgrimshope · Jul 11, 2021

de-emerald said:

@Pilgrimshope you are only fit to Judge me if you have a rod of iron to wack me with.. now Judge that and rebuke me.

Sorry brother you have the wrong idea my statement was a joke. your welcome to Judge opossing view points with scripture or if you think my view points are wrong. God bless. really i have no problem with people who judge view points with scripture in a freindly way tho. really i do appreciate the fellow ship and wisdom from people who have studied a long time. Hey i like friendly discussion brother. Just like you no doubt. ive got a few haters who hold grudges following me around at the moment looking to get me singled out. its ok tho ive got wise to them.

we’re definately on the same page I appreciate you

Pilgrimshope · Jul 11, 2021

TheLearner said:

Can you just tell
Me the post number it’s hard to find

TheLearner · Jul 11, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

what is hard to find?

Pilgrimshope · Jul 11, 2021

TheLearner said:

I feel As if you want me to see something I’m missing and need to notice and can’t seem to find it

you have a very inviting and friendly spirit btw it’s a pleasure

TheLearner · Jul 11, 2021

read to here

TheLearner · Jul 11, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

I forgot what it was. I am guessing taking the effort to restore others may be it.

Pilgrimshope · Jul 11, 2021

TheLearner said:

it’s a really good position and goal and also appreciated very much

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