Religion versers the law.

[de-emerald]

Hi all,, Its so nice to get on the same page as other christians for many good reasons.

So can we agree that following religion is a wondefull law.

James 1:26

If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless.


Being on the same wave lenght is wonderful,

 

[de-emerald]

oops slight spelling mistake in the title should read Religion verses the law if a moderator could correct the title please thankyou and delete this post 2 thankyou

 

[Dino246]

oops slight spelling mistake in the title should read Religion verses the law if a moderator could correct the title please thankyou and delete this post 2 thankyou

Actually, it's "versus". "Verses" is the plural of "verse".

To the point of your thread, "religious" people (in the "Christian" sense) are typically people who follow a mixture of biblical teachings, corruptions thereof, or man-made pseudo-Christian ideas. Those who (claim to) follow the Law are usually more careful to base their practices on the OT commandments. Yes, James does use the word, "religion", but his use of it is different from the common use of the word today.

 

[de-emerald]

Actually, it's "versus". "Verses" is the plural of "verse".

To the point of your thread, "religious" people (in the "Christian" sense) are typically people who follow a mixture of biblical teachings, corruptions thereof, or man-made pseudo-Christian ideas. Those who (claim to) follow the Law are usually more careful to base their practices on the OT commandments. Yes, James does use the word, "religion", but his use of it is different from the common use of the word today.

hi dino thanks for your opinions,, allways nice to get of to a good contridiction dont you think

yes and absolutey i am only talking about the religion that Jesus taught,,i thought that would be obvious in a christian chat site...
Or should i have the contridiction that Jesus never taught religion he taught love only which isnt religion or religous
so ill way up your comment which is religion doesnt mean religion, ok..

geee wizzz is religion a set of to dos and donts .. or should i ask what does religion actually mean to you. or is that obvious that religion to you is a law that is no good ?..

Or i know how about this one,,to follow religion is to follow man...

Hey hang on Didnt Jesus appear as a a man,,

my wonderful contridiction of wonderful contridiction such as yours would be the,, law in christian sence is for those who have the power of authority like Jesus to preach it, and its up to the christian to be religouse enough to follow the religion of the laws that Jesus preached. ummm next contridiction please thankyou..

Oh hang on i know a new contridiction is christianity a religion of faith or is christianity a religion of no faith with out works is dead.. or hangon as long as you have faith theres no need to be religouse about keeping Gods commandments ?

Better still for a bigger contridiction should i just say i dont need the bible to teach me anything the holy spirit teaches me what no man cant.. should i use this for my religous bias.

God only knows the next comment will say i have something wrong with me again..

I say how wonderfull we can all get of to a wonderful contridiction God i thought that was obvious ,,,,,,,,,next i must have issues or im a hater im new here so the more advanced christian must be better than me and im over stepping the line...

 

[Runningman]

Hi all,, Its so nice to get on the same page as other christians for many good reasons.

So can we agree that following religion is a wondefull law.

James 1:26

If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless.


Being on the same wave lenght is wonderful,

Then later James says:

James 3:8
8But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

So while on one hand if you can't bridle the tongue your professed religion is worthless and on the other hand the tongue can't be tamed.

I think the word religion used here isn't like what we may intuitively think. I had to look it up and it refers to ceremonial observances. See Acts 26:5.

As we know, Jesus taught that it is what proceeds out of the mouth of people that defiles them. What someone says comes from their heart where evil originates from. See Matthew 15:10-20.

So what is the conclusion here? Religion is worthless in my opinion. What matters is true heart change and manifesting those fruits of the Holy Spirit. God sees the inward person. Once our heart is pure the words that come out of our mouth will be pure.

True worship to God is not ceremonial observances, but instead a life dedicated to God in love.

Romans 12:1-2
1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

 

[de-emerald]

Then later James says:

James 3:8
8But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

So while on one hand if you can't bridle the tongue your professed religion is worthless and on the other hand the tongue can't be tamed.

I think the word religion used here isn't like what we may intuitively think. I had to look it up and it refers to ceremonial observances. See Acts 26:5.

As we know, Jesus taught that it is what proceeds out of the mouth of people that defiles them. What someone says comes from their heart where evil originates from. See Matthew 15:10-20.

So what is the conclusion here? Religion is worthless. What matters is true heart change and manifesting those fruits of the Holy Spirit. God sees the inward man. Once our heart is pure the words that come out of our mouth will be pure.

True worship to God is not ceremonial observances, but instead a life dedicated to God in love.

Romans 12:1-2
1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

hi runningman i have to say wonderfull contridiction at this moment and hope that when you hear my contridiction of your contridiction that we both contridict each other some more.. i only hope you dont think i hate you.. ill reply to your post soon i wouldnt want you to fall out with you over contridiction..

and please be adviced i have not yet replied to your contridiction

 

[de-emerald]

I have found the bigsest contridiction of them all and i expect lots of people to recognise that this post is the winner of all winners

Look at this verse the word religion can not be found in it this proofs obeying the law is not religion..
Matthew 19:16-20

And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness

I just wonder if any wonderful people here could spot the word religion up above and join me in some more wonderful contridictions..

will somebody stone me please

 

[Runningman]

hi runningman i have to say wonderfull contridiction at this moment and hope that when you hear my contridiction of your contridiction that we both contridict each other some more.. i only hope you dont think i hate you.. ill reply to your post soon i wouldnt want you to fall out with you over contridiction..

and please be adviced i have not yet replied to your contridiction

Well, I don't think there is a contradiction. I think James meant what he said and he nailed it perfectly.

 

[mailmandan]

James 1:26 - If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. This man's religion is vain, empty, devoid of power, lacking in content, nonproductive, dead and of no eternal value.

James 1:27 - Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

There is nothing wrong with "pure and undefiled religion" but there is certainly something wrong with impure and defiled religion.

 

[Runningman]

I have found the bigsest contridiction of them all and i expect lots of people to recognise that this post is the winner of all winners

Look at this verse the word religion can not be found in it this proofs obeying the law is not religion..
Matthew 19:16-20

And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness

I just wonder if any wonderful people here could spot the word religion up above and join me in some more wonderful contridictions..

will somebody stone me please

Context is key. Pre-crucifixion of Jesus it was only right to tell practicing Jews to keep the law. I maintain that alleged contradictions are actually just misunderstood context.

I mean, just look at what Galatians 2:21 says.

21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

 

[de-emerald]

Well, I don't think there is a contradiction. I think James meant what he said and he nailed it perfectly.

you are the winner wonerful contridiction. well oh well oh well...

its going to wonderfully contridictory this thread i can feal it in my bones..

I will go and conserve some more contridicting scripture for you and then on the contrary conversation me and you can have a wondefull concluding contridiction..

Lol now i expect you to thank me for this contridiction,, with the upmost sarcasim of course.. or you can thank me for my contridiction with love im ok either..

 

[de-emerald]

James 1:26 - If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. This man's religion is vain, empty, devoid of power, lacking in content, nonproductive, dead and of no eternal value.

James 1:27 - Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

There is nothing wrong with "pure and undefiled religion" but there is certainly something wrong with impure and defiled religion.

wonderfull contridiction.. me and you are going to be good budies lol. great stuff.

I just have a contridiction of this post if thats ok.

James 1:27 - Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

should i defile my self based on this scripture ?

 

[Seeker47]

This is the best thread I have read in a long time!

 

[Runningman]

you are the winner wonerful contridiction. well oh well oh well...

its going to wonderfully contridictory this thread i can feal it in my bones..

I will go and conserve some more contridicting scripture for you and then on the contrary conversation me and you can have a wondefull concluding contridiction..

Lol now i expect you to thank me for this contridiction,, with the upmost sarcasim of course.. or you can thank me for my contridiction with love im ok either..

... Or we could just have a discussion, but okie. May your will be done.

 

[AandW]

When God first gave the Law to Moses, this was a path/walk in how God wanted His Chosen people to follow.
By the time Christ arrived, the Law became a religion and Yeshua attacked the Pharisees and other cult leaders concerning it.
So the original Law and religion are not the same.

 

[Blik]

Paul was an intellectual whose mind worked in a complicated way that people are just not following at all. To top this off, God spoke to man in one way for thousands of years with what we call the old covenant. God gave commands to help man understand the laws of the spirit of God, commands that ruled their everyday life, like cutting flesh to get across to them they were different and belonged to God and it was cutting flesh.

When man started believing in these physical helps and ignoring what they were to teach they were taken away. These things were called the law of Moses. Moses had also given the spirit of the law, but in stone not the heart. When God gave the law in our hearts at Pentecost, people got all tangled up in law. They said we aren't under the law (because the law wouldn't save them) and all law is dead (because God took back the "law of Moses"). Based on truth and a complete misunderstanding at the same time.

An added complication for men's understanding is that man is simply not capable of being perfect, and God demands perfection to live eternally. That meant that all men would die simply because they were men. Christ is sent to take care of that. Now, when man finds they sin, instead of repenting they say oh well, I have faith that saves, why should I fight myself over this sin.

So the simple, cut to the basics, is that Christ saves us through faith and that means we repent of sin even though we are incapable of achieving sinlessness.

 

[de-emerald]

When God first gave the Law to Moses, this was a path/walk in how God wanted His Chosen people to follow.
By the time Christ arrived, the Law became a religion and Yeshua attacked the Pharisees and other cult leaders concerning it.
So the original Law and religion are not the same.

hi Aandw how are you on this fine day.. so then the orignal law is not the same and the law became a religion.

And then all hell broke loose because no one could obey the law or nobody wanted to ?.

Jesus gave a new commandment that you love each other. but i would have thought you where loving your brother by obeying the law of moses (the commandments of God.. Jesus said the greatest law i Give you that you love each other.. the law above laws.. thats only the greatest law because with that law you obey the other laws. which Jesus said hasnt changed..
Jesus said you must obey the commandments and the law to the jews but why have you not mentioned those laws where not for the gentiles to obey to..

How can you have one rule for one and not one rule for another Dont forget God said nor Jew nor gentile i have made no distinction.

Wouldnt you say that on that basis christianity is both a religion of Judaism and chrisrianity ? .

Matthew 19:16-20

And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, “You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness.
commadments of the old religion to be followed in the new religion of christianity yes no ?


If christianity wasnt a religion of both judaism and christianity surely we would be worshiping two seperate Gods ? hence the reason for the old testerment and new testerment combined ?

 

[de-emerald]

... Or we could just have a discussion, but okie. May your will be done.

okie brother lol..may your will be done to..

Context is key. Pre-crucifixion of Jesus it was only right to tell practicing Jews to keep the law. I maintain that alleged contradictions are actually just misunderstood context.

I mean, just look at what Galatians 2:21 says.

21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

no disputing that but it is a scripture from somebody else and not Jesus.. the one from Jesus spells it out pefectly
Matthew 5:17 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

 

[Runningman]

okie brother lol..may your will be done to..
no disputing that but it is a scripture from somebody else and not Jesus.. the one from Jesus spells it out pefectly
Matthew 5:17 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets. He kept the Law perfectly and fulfilled the prophecies concerning Himself. He proved to Israel using the very manuscripts that they base their faith in that He is their promised Messiah.

As Jesus accurately predicted, the Law still exists. It's right here well-preserved in the modern day and it's there for our benefit.

I don't read the law much. How about you?

 

[Unearthed]

I have no idea what the OP even means to be honest.