Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

[pumpkinbread1567]

It seems you perceived not that in my post 334 I associated the FIRST HALF of the last week

I did. So I was saying that part is impossible if Christ's suffering 'till Crucifixion fulfilled the first half of Daniel 70th. In such a case, the last half either has already been fulfilled or must be fulfilled at some point in the future, and I'm looking at the 42 months of the first beast.

 

[ewq1938]

The WOMAN-the Roman Catholic Church,which rides upon the Beast of sea- in these past two thousand years have been developed and structured materially and spiritually in those 7 regions of the planet Earth.

The Catholic church is only a shadow of what is coming. The two beasts and Babylon will be a billion times more powerful than the Catholic church wanted to be. The RCC will be a small fingernail in the overall body of the coming empire.

 

[TMS]

Are you sure you're understanding this completely? I mean, there are some very practical reasons why this scenario with the saints who had fallen asleep were resurrected to Heavenly New Jerusalem as opposed to Jerusalem on earth.
...Is that a blessing? Would you want to come back after you've been in Heaven with your people to live, grow old, or older, and die all over again when you have been in Heaven with the Lord?

I just don't think it's logical, merciful, practical. But, I just might not understand.

I agree it is not logical. i believe we die and wait for the resurrection.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Dead means dead, to teach that the dead are alive is a lie of the devil

 

[pumpkinbread1567]

Revelation 13:v.11-12
11 And I beheld another Beast coming up out of the earth (the dry land; the clay-Isaiah 64:v.8); and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon (a false lamb, in fact, a false messiah, the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah of the Jews, the MAN of sin, son of perdition, future ruler and guide of Israel, and the main head of the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Judaism, a Master of Torah).


12 And he (will) exerciseth all the power of the FIRST Beast (the Beast of sea=waters=peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues(all tongues) before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST Beast, whose deadly wound was healed.(Revelation 13:v.2)


Then there will be two religious, and strong, and satanic Beasts on the Earth (Planet), according the entire Revelation 13:

1 - The Man Beast of sea - the Pope, the Papacy, who has 7 heads and 10 horns, and upon his 10 horns ten crowns, and upon his (7) heads the name of blasphemy. NOTE: In this current time, he works only with his 7 heads and name of blaspheme. The 10 horns is not still linked to the Beast of sea)


2 - The Man Beast of earth (earth here is Israel, the clay, the dry land) he has two horns like a lamb, and he speaks as a dragon. HE IS THE 666. This devilish MAN already was born and will manifest himself in near future;




Revelation 17:v.9-10
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

The book of Revelation, chapter 13, reveals that there will be TWO religious Beasts on earth in this time of Apocalypse.

Well, the Papacy, the FIRST Beast, it is already running since the beginning of the Church of the LORD JESUS, i.e. from around two millenniums ago, and this FIRST Beast built a strong and gigantic and satanic religious structure in the 7 regions of the Earth: Europe, Asia, Africa, Oceania(Australia), North America, Central America and South America, do you understand?

The WOMAN-the Roman Catholic Church,which rides upon the Beast of sea- in these past two thousand years have been developed and structured materially and spiritually in those 7 regions of the planet Earth.


10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (As soon as Pope Francis passes away, the seventh and last Pope to be elected may choose a nickname from a specific lineage of Popes, for example Popes Paul, then this will be Paul VII, and will be the last Pope) .

There is a possibility that Rome will be destroyed for a fake establishment of a vision. @Oseas3

The Catholic church is only a shadow of what is coming. The two beasts and Babylon will be a billion times more powerful than the Catholic church wanted to be. The RCC will be a small fingernail in the overall body of the coming empire.

This seems to be correct, Oseas. the catholic church does hold the definition of "anti-christ" (instead of Christ).

 

[ewq1938]

Dead means dead, to teach that the dead are alive is a lie of the devil

lol, no. The dead are physically dead but alive spiritually in spirit and soul. Moses came and spoke to Christ and he died a long time before that plus in the 5th seal the dead are talking to God.

 

[pumpkinbread1567]

I agree it is not logical. i believe we die and wait for the resurrection.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Dead means dead, to teach that the dead are alive is a lie of the devil

False teaching. As Jesus said, "But I tell you truthfully, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.” " (Luke 9:27)

And

"“I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies. And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” " (John 11:25-26)

God is the God of the living, and not of the dead.

 

[pumpkinbread1567]

I don't think the saints that resurrected from their opened graves at the time of Jesus' death on the cross contradicts the first fruits truth at all. Certainly if Jesus resurrected people from the dead, the people you listed, and doesn't contradict the first fruits doctrine, then the many saints were bodily resurrected from their open graves shouldn't either.

Do you actually believe the resurrected OT saints were transformed, and then caught up to God?

 

[TMS]

False teaching. As Jesus said, "But I tell you truthfully, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.” " (Luke 9:27)

And

"“I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies. And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?” " (John 11:25-26)

God is the God of the living, and not of the dead.

The Bible does not contradict itself.
“The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being” (Genesis 2:7).
“Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it” (Ecclesiastes 12:7).
The body turns to dust again, and the spirit goes back to God, who gave it. The spirit of every person who dies—whether saved or unsaved—returns to God at death.
“The body without the spirit is dead” (James 2:26).
“The spirit of God is in my nostrils” (Job 27:3).
The spirit that returns to God at death is the breath of life. Nowhere in all of God’s book does the “spirit” have any life, wisdom, or feeling after a person dies. It is the “breath of life” and nothing more.
A soul cannot exist unless body and breath are combined. God’s Word teaches that we are souls—not that we have souls.
“The soul that sinneth, it shall die” (Ezekiel 18:20).
“Every living soul died in the sea” (Revelation 16:3).
According to God’s Word, souls do die! We are souls, and souls die. Man is mortal (Job 4:17).
Only God is immortal (1 Timothy 6:15, 16). The concept of an undying, immortal soul is not found in the Bible.

“All who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth” (John 5:28, 29).
“David … is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. … For David did not ascend into the heavens” (Acts 2:29, 34).
“If I wait, the grave is mine house” (Job 17:13).
People do not go to heaven or to hell at death. They don’t go anywhere—but they wait in their graves for the resurrection.

“The living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun. … There is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going” (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10).
“The dead do not praise the Lord” (Psalm 115:17).
God says that the dead know absolutely nothing!

“Man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep. … His sons come to honor, and he does not know it; they are brought low, and he does not perceive it” (Job 14:12, 21).
“Nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun” (Ecclesiastes 9:6).
The dead cannot contact the living, nor do they know what the living are doing. They are dead. Their thoughts have perished (Psalm 146:4).

“Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work” (Revelation 22:12).
“The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout. … And the dead in Christ will rise. … And thus we shall always be with the Lord” (1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17).
“We shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye … and the dead will be raised incorruptible. … For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality” (1 Corinthians 15:51–53).
They will be rewarded. They will be raised, given immortal bodies, and caught up to meet the Lord in the air. There would be no purpose in a resurrection if people were taken to heaven at death.

“The serpent said to the woman, ‘You will not surely die’ ” (Genesis 3:4). This same lie is repeated in spiritualism and the teaching that we go to heaven as a spirit at death today.

“If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” (Isaiah 8:20).
God’s people will know from their study of His book that the dead are dead, not alive.

 

[pumpkinbread1567]

The Bible does not contradict itself.
“The Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being” (Genesis 2:7).
“Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it” (Ecclesiastes 12:7).
The body turns to dust again, and the spirit goes back to God, who gave it. The spirit of every person who dies—whether saved or unsaved—returns to God at death.
“The body without the spirit is dead” (James 2:26).
“The spirit of God is in my nostrils” (Job 27:3).
The spirit that returns to God at death is the breath of life. Nowhere in all of God’s book does the “spirit” have any life, wisdom, or feeling after a person dies. It is the “breath of life” and nothing more.
A soul cannot exist unless body and breath are combined. God’s Word teaches that we are souls—not that we have souls.
“The soul that sinneth, it shall die” (Ezekiel 18:20).
“Every living soul died in the sea” (Revelation 16:3).
According to God’s Word, souls do die! We are souls, and souls die. Man is mortal (Job 4:17).
Only God is immortal (1 Timothy 6:15, 16). The concept of an undying, immortal soul is not found in the Bible.

“All who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth” (John 5:28, 29).
“David … is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. … For David did not ascend into the heavens” (Acts 2:29, 34).
“If I wait, the grave is mine house” (Job 17:13).
People do not go to heaven or to hell at death. They don’t go anywhere—but they wait in their graves for the resurrection.

“The living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun. … There is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going” (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10).
“The dead do not praise the Lord” (Psalm 115:17).
God says that the dead know absolutely nothing!

“Man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep. … His sons come to honor, and he does not know it; they are brought low, and he does not perceive it” (Job 14:12, 21).
“Nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun” (Ecclesiastes 9:6).
The dead cannot contact the living, nor do they know what the living are doing. They are dead. Their thoughts have perished (Psalm 146:4).

“Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work” (Revelation 22:12).
“The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout. … And the dead in Christ will rise. … And thus we shall always be with the Lord” (1 Thessalonians 4:16, 17).
“We shall all be changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye … and the dead will be raised incorruptible. … For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality” (1 Corinthians 15:51–53).
They will be rewarded. They will be raised, given immortal bodies, and caught up to meet the Lord in the air. There would be no purpose in a resurrection if people were taken to heaven at death.

“The serpent said to the woman, ‘You will not surely die’ ” (Genesis 3:4). This same lie is repeated in spiritualism and the teaching that we go to heaven as a spirit at death today.

“If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” (Isaiah 8:20).
God’s people will know from their study of His book that the dead are dead, not alive.

The fact that, at the end, you quoted the serpent shows you've mixed up physical death and spiritual death. Yeshua himself said, "Everyone who lives and believes in me will never die." This is no contradiction. It's just paradoxical. Bcs even though you die, you live. Do you believe that you have died and been buried with Christ?

If you like to use the revelation against me, then how about this:

Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed. Rev 6:11)​

Not all will be martyred.

This same lie is repeated in spiritualism and the teaching that we go to heaven as a spirit at death today.

I certainly do not believe that. I don't know why you seem to have assumed that I argued about that. In fact, I don't believe you go to heaven at death, but rather YOU MUST BE IN HEAVEN NOW ALIVE if you belong to God.

Indeed the Earthly bodies are perishable, but whether all must physically die or not is a different story, for it's possible for God to transform you alive. In fact, Paul himself only stated, "the dead in Christ will rise first, and we who are alive (the living) and remain (surviving) will be caught up together WITH THEM to meet the Lord in the air to be with him forever."

 

[FreeGrace2]

Oseas3 said:
By the way, the pestilence is already running. Matt.24:v.7-8

I kind of agree mostly, except the pestilence part. If you're identifying it with the Covid, then I do not think that's very correct bcs it seems that's the part that goes with Great Tribulation and Jacob's Trouble as He said, "all these will be the beginning of the Birth Pang."

Consider the first 4 seal judgments, better known as the "4 horsemen of the apocalypse". It could be argued that all 4 of them are already in play.

 

[pumpkinbread1567]

Oseas3 said:
By the way, the pestilence is already running. Matt.24:v.7-8

Consider the first 4 seal judgments, better known as the "4 horsemen of the apocalypse". It could be argued that all 4 of them are already in play.

I do not think so. The reason solely being that I would not know the interpretation thereof in such a case. If you can tell me your interpretation, please be my guest.

But, personally, I believe the first horseman was revealed with Covid because of the "crown" and "bow". Crown = Corona in Latin, and Bow = τοξον pronounced TOXAN which sounds like toxin. Corona toxin. Corona virus.

For the second horseman, I'm looking at EDOM. Edom = Red.

 

[pumpkinbread1567]

Just wanted to share with you all a fascinating discovery on "One will be taken and the other left" from MAT 24.

Below is from Shem Tob's Hebrew book of Matthew.

"40 Then if there will be two plowing in the field, ONE RIGHTEOUS AND THE OTHER EVIL, the one will be taken and the other left.​

41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and the other left. THIS IS BECAUSE THE ANGELS AT THE END OF THE WORLD WILL REMOVE THE STUMBLING BLOCKS FROM THE WORLD, AND WILL SEPARATE THE GOOD FROM THE EVIL​

42 Therefore watch WITH ME because you do not know at what hour your Master is coming."​

It has a massive chunk not found in Greek Matthew, which is the passage that the two represent GOOD and EVIL, and that the ANGELS WILL COME TO SEPARATE THEM, which sounds like the harvest explained in Mat 13.

If the other one is evil, HOW, like the Pre-Trib supporters claim, COULD THIS EVIL ONE BE LEFT BEHIND for Persecution? This evil one would most likely persecute you and leave you poor.

 

[Runningman]

Runningman, If you want to continue to believe that it is Satan's wrath, then that is your choice. I know, as well as everyone else here, that the tribulation period is God's wrath, the Day of the Lord. There is no such thing as Satan's time of wrath.

It isn't me who's saying it. Look at Matthew 24:21-25:

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.

You don't see that this plainly states that there will be great tribulation and that people will be saying that Christ has returned?

Pause a moment and think about that. You say Jesus comes before the tribulation. Jesus is saying that people will be saying during that great tribulation He has arrived and to not believe them. That would definitely mean that Jesus has not returned yet.

Jesus does not return until after this very same period of tribulation He describes in this chapter:

Matthew 24:29-31
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The problem with your exegesis is you have Jesus returning before the great tribulation and the Bible says that absolutely no where. Go back and read everything very carefully and slowly. Pre-trib doesn't exist.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Oseas3 said:
"By the way, the pestilence is already running. Matt.24:v.7-8"

I responded:
"Consider the first 4 seal judgments, better known as the "4 horsemen of the apocalypse". It could be argued that all 4 of them are already in play."

I do not think so. The reason solely being that I would not know the interpretation thereof in such a case. If you can tell me your interpretation, please be my guest.

I don't think the first 4 seals need interpretation.

Seal #1 is a rider on a white horse, bent on conquest. We are seeing this in effect now.
Seal #2 is a rider on a red horse, who takes away peace on the earth, making men "kill each other". Violence has never been higher in this country alone, and consider all the Marxist and radical Muslim groups around the world blowing up people and things.
Seal #3 is a rider on a black horse, which deals with the economy. Because of the pandemic, the economies of countries are in bad shape.
Seal #4 is a rider on a green horse, with power over a fourth of the earth to kill. This one hasn't been fully achieved yet.

But, personally, I believe the first horseman was revealed with Covid because of the "crown" and "bow". Crown = Corona in Latin, and Bow = τοξον pronounced TOXAN which sounds like toxin. Corona toxin. Corona virus.

I believe that as Satan's goal is conquest of the entire earth (one world government), he used either a leak from the Wuhan lab or he motivated the CCP to unleash the virus on an unsuspecting world, in order to accomplish his goals. And it seems that he's now closer than ever to this one world government.

For the second horseman, I'm looking at EDOM. Edom = Red.

The USA has been seeing this play out since last summer and continuing this year.

 

[pumpkinbread1567]

@Ahwatukee

Brother, we spend our time for your sake so that those of you who don't believe God allows persecution to His children won't curse Him for allowing trouble to befallen you.

Concerning the great tribulation, Brother Runningman is right that it's not God's wrath. Look at the Scripture below.

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time; and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (Dan 12:1)​

​

Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee; hide thyself for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.​

​

For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of His place to visit upon the inhabitants of the earth their iniquity; the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. (Isaiah 26:20-21)​

​

If the wrath of God is against the iniquitous inhabitants of the Earth, so terrible one will have to hide from it, HOW COULD THE ISRAELITES undergoing Great Tribulation BE DELIVERED? EVEN MICHAEL WILL LEAD THEM OUT. His wrath will be for the iniquity of the inhabitants of the Earth as written.

Or do you think the wicked people will be persecuted for Jesus' sake? Hm??? Answer me now.

As for tribulation, Paul wrote:

Endure suffering as discipline; God is treating you as sons. (Hebrews 12:7)​

I would not have you remain ignorant of this wisdom. As every wheat must come out of its chaff, every child of God must be disciplined through tribulation. Persecution will inevitably come to those following Christ, but if you incline to avoid suffering, or fear the oppressors, be mindful, lest, like Israel, you'll let yourself curse Him for delivering you into enemy's hands.

It isn't me who's saying it. Look at Matthew 24:21-25:

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Matthew 24:29-31
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and (...) 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Absolutely]

19 Bible results for “"This generation "” from
King James Version.

Genesis 7:1
And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in This generation .

Psalm 12:7
Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from This generation for ever.

Psalm 71:18
Now also when I am old and greyheaded, O God, forsake me not; until I have shewed thy strength unto This generation , and thy power to every one that is to come.

Psalm 95:10
Forty years long was I grieved with This generation , and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:

Matthew 11:16
But whereunto shall I liken This generation ? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,

Matthew 12:41
The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with This generation , and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Matthew 12:42
The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with This generation , and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

Matthew 23:36
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon This generation .

Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Mark 8:12
And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth This generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto This generation .

Mark 13:30
Verily I say unto you, that This generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Luke 7:31
And the Lord said, Whereunto then shall I liken the men of This generation ? and to what are they like?

Luke 11:30
For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to This generation .

Luke 11:31
The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of This generation , and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

Luke 11:32
The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with This generation , and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Luke 11:50
That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of This generation ;

Luke 11:51
From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of This generation .

Luke 17:25
But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of This generation .

Luke 21:32
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

Every use of This Generation means the generation of Jesus' day on earth.

Luke 21:32
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

"....and not a hair of your head shall be harmed..."

Wow. Total protection. Maybe the disciples died of old age. Most likely lived to be a hundred.

Nope all but one killed by the devil.

Cookie cutter sniping verses and building off what you do not understand.

You throw all the rapture verses to the wind over ONE VERSE you do not understand.

"..... all be fulfilled..."
Uh huh. The earth has never...NEVER ....seen the gt.
Comical what ya'll do with the plagues.
Make it up as yo go.
I already blew a hole in preterism you can sail an aircraft carrier through

 

[pumpkinbread1567]

he used either a leak from the Wuhan lab or he motivated the CCP to unleash the virus on an unsuspecting world

What if you knew the US government had lent its hand in the spreading of the virus?
You all Republicans are obsessed with Trump / Q-anon vs China and CCP, and have blinded yourself and closed your ears from hearing God's words. You've become part of the Q-anon conspiracy.

 

[Absolutely]

Just wanted to share with you all a fascinating discovery on "One will be taken and the other left" from MAT 24.

Below is from Shem Tob's Hebrew book of Matthew.

"40 Then if there will be two plowing in the field, ONE RIGHTEOUS AND THE OTHER EVIL, the one will be taken and the other left.​

41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and the other left. THIS IS BECAUSE THE ANGELS AT THE END OF THE WORLD WILL REMOVE THE STUMBLING BLOCKS FROM THE WORLD, AND WILL SEPARATE THE GOOD FROM THE EVIL​

42 Therefore watch WITH ME because you do not know at what hour your Master is coming."​

It has a massive chunk not found in Greek Matthew, which is the passage that the two represent GOOD and EVIL, and that the ANGELS WILL COME TO SEPARATE THEM, which sounds like the harvest explained in Mat 13.

If the other one is evil, HOW, like the Pre-Trib supporters claim, COULD THIS EVIL ONE BE LEFT BEHIND for Persecution? This evil one would most likely persecute you and leave you poor.

Not at all.
IT IS 2 BELIEVERS IN A BED.
BELIEVERS ON A HOUSETOP
BELIEVERS AT A MIL
Keep reading....Jesus defines the virgins as the same ratio of BELIEVERS TAKEN.

As i pointed out already, you have;
1) a satan worshipper in a bed with a holy spirit filled believer= False
2)All examples of the "2" together are peacetime and life as usual...(not war and destroyed earth.)
3) the wicked are gathered AFTER the mil at the gwtj( that by itself destroys any hope of some postrib gathering of "wicked" )
4) Jesus framed ALL 4( NOAH , LOT, ONE TAKEN/LEFT, AND THE 10 VIRGINS) as before judgement.
5) play it out....Jesus says " now i want to watch and be ready"
Ready for what Jesus?
" ok here is the plan, i am coming post trib. I will snatch , not you, but the wicked from among you.
Billions will be in beds with other wicked, billions in bars, billions in houses of ill refute,billions fornicating, billions out partying, i will completely remove ALL WICKED FROM THE EARTH."

WOW what about us Jesus...us righteous?

" oh it has nothing to do with you"

Huh? Watch and be ready to stay?
Totally ridiculous.

Reread it.
IT CLEARLY SAYS BEFORE THE FLOOD.

What is it that the members here REFRAME Jesus' words to AFTER THE FLOOD.
Why do people think noah was gathered AFTER THE FLOOD?

What is going on???
Show me anywhere a satan worshipper is in bed with a holy ghost filled believer.
Yet people frame that as THE NORMAL DEAL....HUH?

Even pretribbers reframe it
Awatukee
Cv5
DWM
and all postribs REFRAME IT.

BIZARRE

 

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What if you knew the US government had lent its hand in the spreading of the virus?
You all Republicans are obsessed with Trump / Q-anon vs China and CCP, and have blinded yourself and closed your ears from hearing God's words. You've become part of the Q-anon conspiracy.

Yes the dems are behind that plot you accuse us of.
Pelosi attended some chinese parade in new york to defend some ridiculous notion that the virus was a joke

Your man cuomo put sick virus infected people in nursing homes to spread it and kill elderly.
Your man fauci was in the middle of the lan in wuhan.

Your man gates, an evil moron, OPENLY STATES he wants over a billion of earths population murdered.

....and he and fauci are liars and want the economy and America ruined....as well as your democrat buddies.

There is not enough money on the planet to float the us economy....yet the dems continue to print money and magically pay folks to NOT GO TO WORK.

Your dems are ruining this country with THOUSANDS...MILLIONS, OF ILLEGALS CROSSING INTO TEXAS WITH COVID!!!!
THE DEMS ARE WITHOUT A DOUBT TRYING TO WRECK THIS COUNTRY.

KEEP ROOTIN FOR EM!!!

 

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@Ahwatukee

Brother, we spend our time for your sake so that those of you who don't believe God allows persecution to His children won't curse Him for allowing trouble to befallen you.

Concerning the great tribulation, Brother Runningman is right that it's not God's wrath. Look at the Scripture below.

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time; and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. (Dan 12:1)​

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Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee; hide thyself for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.​

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For, behold, the LORD cometh forth out of His place to visit upon the inhabitants of the earth their iniquity; the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. (Isaiah 26:20-21)​

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If the wrath of God is against the iniquitous inhabitants of the Earth, so terrible one will have to hide from it, HOW COULD THE ISRAELITES undergoing Great Tribulation BE DELIVERED? EVEN MICHAEL WILL LEAD THEM OUT. His wrath will be for the iniquity of the inhabitants of the Earth as written.

Or do you think the wicked people will be persecuted for Jesus' sake? Hm??? Answer me now.

As for tribulation, Paul wrote:

Endure suffering as discipline; God is treating you as sons. (Hebrews 12:7)​

I would not have you remain ignorant of this wisdom. As every wheat must come out of its chaff, every child of God must be disciplined through tribulation. Persecution will inevitably come to those following Christ, but if you incline to avoid suffering, or fear the oppressors, be mindful, lest, like Israel, you'll let yourself curse Him for delivering you into enemy's hands.

The apostles that knew the gt was future went through as much persecution as anybody.

Yet the pretrib rapture is solid bible.
Trying to reframe end times outside of the gathering of the bride by the groom ends up with us EMPHACISING something else.

....as you have become with suffering/ tribulation

Read where every man woman and child take the mark

So your supposed hope of going through the gt is futile.
All left behind are martyred