Pentecostalism's sketchy origins
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If your theory would be rigtht. Then worldwide are only pentecostals and charismatics are saved. All other christian believers then gone lost.
Will you say this. That only pentecostals and charismatics are children of God?
I answered to the claim that all believers which are baptised with the Holy Spirit receive the gift of speaking in tongues.
Paul clear says, that this is not.
So why you bring up different points instead to answer of my point and try to show me that I am wrong? Maby you cant show me from the bible that I am wrong?
Please your comment as you have been told has been hateful so don't tell me you love me when you suggest I have a devil or receiving from the Holy Spirit something that is of the devil. You are a liar. Not only in this post but many others on the topic you have said many times those who speak in tongues are fake pagan and of the devil. You meant those things when you said them.
No, if my theory is right, then we are all held to what Christ said, not to what Denominations claim. And it just so happens that Pentecostals follow what Jesus says in Mark 16.
The real question then, Why does your Denomination [NOT FOLLOW AND OBEY] what Jesus said?
I'll answer your question if you first answer mine? Where exactly in the New Testament does it predict an end-time worldwide revival.
I agree. But that's not what Paul's talking about in this context. He's calling for orderly worship in a church that had gotten out of control.
It has been suggested, based on the example from Acts 2:13, that it's somehow a good thing to be out of control to the point of being mocked by bystanders as being "drunk." If that was such a good thing, why didn't Paul congratulate the Corinthians for being "drunk and disorderly" in the Spirit? Why didn't he say "good job, let's have more of this?"
I'll answer your question if you first answer mine? Where exactly in the New Testament does it predict an end-time worldwide revival.
Not sure why that is a Doctrine or perceived as a Doctrine. What that teaching is that [we NEED an end time Revival], not that there will be one. But Acts 2:17 and Joel 2:28 both states: In the last days it will be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh.
Now, if we are in the Last Days before the beginning of Tribulation, this Verse should fit right in that time frame. If God does pour out His Spirit onto all flesh, 8 billion plus, that has the spark to creating an End Time Revival!
You mean Paul would frown upon Peter and the Upper Room? If God was upset, Peter would not have made the impact he did all throughout the Book of Acts. I think it's safe to say that Peter's example is acceptable to God!
If i may ask, what Denomination are you?
And since the mainstream Denominations like Baptist, Wesleyan, Methodist, Presbyterian, Catholic, United Church of Christ all now accept and allow same sex Preachers/Pastors/Bible teachers, have you ever been in a church service when a HOMOSEXUAL man was preaching?
Im thankful that your view is not right. Not the signs are the proof to belong to Jesus.
Many people today running and searching for signs and miracles. Jesus said that there will be people who have done miracles and cadtvout demons and the Lord will say: i dont know you.
Btw, my personell opinion is that there is no denomination which can claime to be 100% right in all biblical issues.
The leaders of my church are open for charismatic/pentecostal issues, without practising it in the church.
How are my Mark 16 views wrong if Jesus is the One who said them and I am quoting Jesus?
Are you calling Jesus a Liar?
You have to be, because nothing I said was my own opinion but I am copying the Words of Jesus!
What I said is that I cant find the pentecostal teaching about the baptising with the Holy Spirit and as sign for this is given the gift of speaking in tongues is taught in the bible to other believers.
And till today nobody could Show me the opposit.
Yes, if there are side effects of this baptism as it is found in spiritism, to which concluision I should come?
Why I should believe a man made doctrine without testing i with the word of God?. Why the Lord gave me the gift to discern spirits?
I have never been a holy roller but I certainly know what it is like to reel a little in meetings where there is what might be described as "a weight of glory" some folks wouldn't even know what that is, some folks never experience the Holy Spirit's presence in a meeting at all.
How is overflowing joy manifested? huh? do you stand like statues?
I love the story of a senior perhaps Britain's most senior Evangelical leader's wife who of course were very critical of the Toronto blessing, so she decided to do an article for the women's section of a magazine. She with a friend decided to go in person to a meeting to witness first hand the shenanigans.
She slipped in at the back, but no sooner had she entered the meeting and kerzzzapp
She was flat on her back, slain in the Spirit ... and so wonderful was the experience that she did not get up any time soon.
See you don't like all this but you've got to stop it, all the growling and backbiting ... God really, really does not like it. That doesn't mean everything is ok. But it is in meetings where people express themselves in what you feel is somewhat unseeming ways that people are getting free from all manner of bondages and addictions and inner hurts and prejudices go right out of the window.
Just accept that people are different and have different ways of expressing themselves.
I am not one to roll about in the aisles but certainly I like to dance a little and shout praise to the Lord and like as not I'm apt to hug somebody and tell them I love them.
And I am the most British person you'll ever meet.