WE are judged by what we do vs. we are saved by faith alone.
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So you not agree with jesus
Matt 25
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
Matt 25
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
So you accuse Jesus lie?
John 15
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Branch can not bear fruit of itself
Only if branch abide in Jesus bear fruit
Verse 6 not abide(no no fruit/verse4) cast out into fire/hell
John 15
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Branch can not bear fruit of itself
Only if branch abide in Jesus bear fruit
Verse 6 not abide(no no fruit/verse4) cast out into fire/hell
I don't know,
All I know is Jesus say no abide no fruit cat to eternal fire.
Fruit of Holy Spirit is love, mean no love go go hell
What is love
1 Corinthians 13
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love does not delight in evil
The thief on the cross protest and not delight saw good person(Jesus being punish)
To me it show that he have love, and the fruit of Holy Spirit is love.
And on his short time he preach to his friend. Confess that he is dinner and deserved panishment.
Anyway, I believe, as soon we invite Jesus we have love, because Jesus is the master of love, if we die a second after we accept Jesus we already have love it may don't have time to translate your love to other human, but you have the fruit.
If you have time, this is the manifestation of love
Matt 25
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
And according to Jesus this is the reward
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
And this is the punishment according to Jesus if you don't have love
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
To me eternal fire on that verse mean hell
And I do believe Jesus never lie, I don't know about you
You seem not believe those Jesus verse
All I know is Jesus say no abide no fruit cat to eternal fire.
Fruit of Holy Spirit is love, mean no love go go hell
What is love
1 Corinthians 13
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love does not delight in evil
The thief on the cross protest and not delight saw good person(Jesus being punish)
To me it show that he have love, and the fruit of Holy Spirit is love.
And on his short time he preach to his friend. Confess that he is dinner and deserved panishment.
Anyway, I believe, as soon we invite Jesus we have love, because Jesus is the master of love, if we die a second after we accept Jesus we already have love it may don't have time to translate your love to other human, but you have the fruit.
If you have time, this is the manifestation of love
Matt 25
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
And according to Jesus this is the reward
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
And this is the punishment according to Jesus if you don't have love
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
To me eternal fire on that verse mean hell
And I do believe Jesus never lie, I don't know about you
You seem not believe those Jesus verse
Making wildly UNTRUE claims should. Maybe there is some kind of immunity you have.
Sad that you really don't get it. I NEVER said the Bible is uninspired. Why can't you read more accurately? I pointed out what scholars who have studied the manuscripts that were used by translators. Some are much older (earlier) than others.
For example, the KJV was translated from manuscripts dated to the 10th Century. But since then manuscripts have been found dated to the 2nd Century. Since all manuscripts were hand copied all that time, it is only natural that over time, scribes could have and did add some things to their translation. Which is what happened to Mark 16. v.9-20 do NOT EXIST in the earliest known manuscripts.
Is it too difficult to understand that because those verses did appear in later manuscripts, they were ADDED by scribes?
Sure. Your mind is made up, so you don't want actual facts.
No problemo.
Sad that you really don't get it. I NEVER said the Bible is uninspired. Why can't you read more accurately? I pointed out what scholars who have studied the manuscripts that were used by translators. Some are much older (earlier) than others.
For example, the KJV was translated from manuscripts dated to the 10th Century. But since then manuscripts have been found dated to the 2nd Century. Since all manuscripts were hand copied all that time, it is only natural that over time, scribes could have and did add some things to their translation. Which is what happened to Mark 16. v.9-20 do NOT EXIST in the earliest known manuscripts.
Is it too difficult to understand that because those verses did appear in later manuscripts, they were ADDED by scribes?
Sure. Your mind is made up, so you don't want actual facts.
No problemo.
FreeGrace2 said:
It is incorrect to say that faith causes obedience. If that were true, all believers would always obey. And we all know they don't. Even the ones in the Bible.
Believers are commanded to obey.
Just as I said. God commanded him to build an ark and he obeyed.
There is NO evidence that faith CAUSES obedience. That is unbiblical.
Again, if that were true, then ALL believers would all be totally obedient.
But just read through the Bible and see ALL the believers who failed time after time.
You can't support your theory from Scripture.
It is incorrect to say that faith causes obedience. If that were true, all believers would always obey. And we all know they don't. Even the ones in the Bible.
Believers are commanded to obey.
Just as I said. God commanded him to build an ark and he obeyed.
There is NO evidence that faith CAUSES obedience. That is unbiblical.
Again, if that were true, then ALL believers would all be totally obedient.
But just read through the Bible and see ALL the believers who failed time after time.
You can't support your theory from Scripture.
FreeGrace2 said:
And Jesus was pointing out the works of believers, who already possess eternal life, per John 5:24. So He wasn't teaching that works save at all.
Your sentences are rather difficult to dicipher. Did you read John 5:24? There is no mention of works.
John 5:28 follows v.24. The key to salvation and eternal life is found in v.24, not v.28.
You remain confused.
And Jesus was pointing out the works of believers, who already possess eternal life, per John 5:24. So He wasn't teaching that works save at all.
Your sentences are rather difficult to dicipher. Did you read John 5:24? There is no mention of works.
John 5:28 follows v.24. The key to salvation and eternal life is found in v.24, not v.28.
You remain confused.
FreeGrace2 said:
Nor does lack of fruit mean going to hell. That would mean salvation is by works, and the Bible is so very clear that we are saved by grace through faith, not of works.
Good grief no. You simply remain confused.
No, "fire" here is a metaphor for simply removing from service. Believers who don't produce aren't serving God.
And IF IF IF you were right, Jesus would be lying in John 10:28, where He said that recipients of eternal life shall NEVER PERISH.
What do you say to that?
Nor does lack of fruit mean going to hell. That would mean salvation is by works, and the Bible is so very clear that we are saved by grace through faith, not of works.
Good grief no. You simply remain confused.
No, "fire" here is a metaphor for simply removing from service. Believers who don't produce aren't serving God.
And IF IF IF you were right, Jesus would be lying in John 10:28, where He said that recipients of eternal life shall NEVER PERISH.
What do you say to that?
What do you mean by metamorphosis?
John 10
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
My sheep follow Me/follow Jesus
What the word follow on that verse?
Is follow mean not obey?
John 10
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
My sheep follow Me/follow Jesus
What the word follow on that verse?
Is follow mean not obey?
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
My sheep listen to My voice
What is that mean?
Say Jesus make voice
Love your enemy
His sheep listen, but hate they anemy than Jesus give them eternal life?
As long as listen, it doesn't matter obey or not?
If only listen but not obey, save Jews on this verse save because they listen to Jesus, read these verse
You only read one verse without context
John 10.
22 Then came the Festival of Dedication[b] at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
My sheep listen to My voice
What is that mean?
Say Jesus make voice
Love your enemy
His sheep listen, but hate they anemy than Jesus give them eternal life?
As long as listen, it doesn't matter obey or not?
If only listen but not obey, save Jews on this verse save because they listen to Jesus, read these verse
You only read one verse without context
John 10.
22 Then came the Festival of Dedication[b] at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24 The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”
25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
If we look to God's word, then we find that we are judged for salvation by faith not works, yet that Christ will judge us by our works. Our work is useless if it is done for salvation, but if we listen to scripture it tells us many times to work for the Lord.
James 2:17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
We will also be judged by our deeds by Christ to establish our rewards or loss of rewards. 2 Cor. 5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
James 2:17 So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
We will also be judged by our deeds by Christ to establish our rewards or loss of rewards. 2 Cor. 5:10: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
You don't believe Noah faith cause him obey am I correct?
What cause Noah save from the flood?
Is that because he obey and build an arch, or he disobey and never built an arch?
Chose a or b
A. Noah save from the flood because he have faith to God but not obey and never build an arch, because obey have nothing to do with salvation.
B. Noah obey and build an arch
C. Nothing above. Please explain
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What cause Noah save from the flood?
Is that because he obey and build an arch, or he disobey and never built an arch?
Chose a or b
A. Noah save from the flood because he have faith to God but not obey and never build an arch, because obey have nothing to do with salvation.
B. Noah obey and build an arch
C. Nothing above. Please explain
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FreeGrace2 said:
Just as I said. God commanded him to build an ark and he obeyed.
This is just a very odd question. What I said is TRUE. God commanded him and he built it. How does that equate to not trusting God?
Your conclusions are your own. And quite wrong.
Do you think he would have built an ark if he didn't trust God? That's the better question.
Yet yet. You are confused, however.
Just as I said. God commanded him to build an ark and he obeyed.
This is just a very odd question. What I said is TRUE. God commanded him and he built it. How does that equate to not trusting God?
Your conclusions are your own. And quite wrong.
Do you think he would have built an ark if he didn't trust God? That's the better question.
Yet yet. You are confused, however.
FreeGrace2 said:
No, "fire" here is a metaphor for simply removing from service. Believers who don't produce aren't serving God.
I didn't use that word. Just look above to what I did post. A metaphor isn't even close to metamorohossis. I recommend that you consult a dictionary. Or just google the two words on line.
Do you believe that recipients of eternal life shall never perish?
Yes, Jesus is making a descriptive statement about what His sheep do.
A lot of words follow that verse?
Oh, of course "to follow" means "to obey". And Jesus describes what believers do. Or ought to do.
Are you aware of the subjunctive mood in Greek? It refers to a potential action, but not a guaranteed action.
No, "fire" here is a metaphor for simply removing from service. Believers who don't produce aren't serving God.
I didn't use that word. Just look above to what I did post. A metaphor isn't even close to metamorohossis. I recommend that you consult a dictionary. Or just google the two words on line.
Do you believe that recipients of eternal life shall never perish?
Yes, Jesus is making a descriptive statement about what His sheep do.
A lot of words follow that verse?
Oh, of course "to follow" means "to obey". And Jesus describes what believers do. Or ought to do.
Are you aware of the subjunctive mood in Greek? It refers to a potential action, but not a guaranteed action.