Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

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What's so hard to understand about James telling us that if we keep the whole Ten Commandments but break one, we're guilty of all: that if we don't commit adultery, but kill, we become guilty of breaking the entire Ten? Then, he says we are to speak and act as people who know we have to stand in judgment for what we do.

This is not rocket science or even the new the science which teaches how a man can get pregnant. This is elementary stuff...and the day is coming when those who refused to let go of their sinful habits in preparation of that judgment will be as those who banged on the door of the Ark with all their might and voice to be let in, but were horrifically drowned with the rest of that rebellious generation.
Once they were in the ark they could not get out for it could only be opened from the outside. The ark signifies salvation.
 
I'm sure most will immediately disagree, and rightly so. Jesus' fulfilling of the Spirit of the Law in us does not permit us to break the Letter of the Law.

Yes, the Letter of the Law is a killer, but to whom? To him who attempts to obtain salvation through observing it - which is impossible, according to Romans 8:7 KJV and Luke 17:10 KJV. But, to the Christian who keeps the Spirit of the Law forbidding lust - and by that will automatically be keeping the Letter of the Law forbidding the act of adultery - to him, it is not a killer, but a "Law of Liberty".

So, if the fact that Jesus is our truth, reward, and faithfulness does not permit us to lie, steal, or fornicate...why do so many claim that since Jesus is their spiritual rest, they may freely break the fourth commandment? To the contrary, if Jesus is indeed our inward Spiritual rest, we will demonstrate that by outward obedience to the fourth commandment, according to Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV. The only rest God ever took was literal rest from His work of creation on the seventh day; the only day upon which He rested, blessed it, and sanctified it. If He is indeed our spiritual rest, we ought to evidence that by literally resting on the seventh day Sabbath day. Need I remind anyone, it's not the fourth "suggestion", it's the Fourth Commandment, right or wrong?
Whoever is trying to promote the Law is denying Grace.
Those who try to push the Sabbath, the 7th day of the week, are those who have never tasted Grace.
I would say to them: 'You must be born again, born anew, born from above, born of the Spirit."
If you are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, you will never try to advocate Sabbatarianism.
Seventh Day Adventists are LIARS. (Read bit.ly/trulib1 upto bit.ly/trulib5.)
They have not experienced LIBERTY in Christ; they are still in BONDAGE.
 
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Yes murder is still murder. Apples are still apples . But back to my point . That verse is before Jesus died for the sins of the world . You don't see any difference with this ?
The only thing the Cross changed is the laws of sacrifices and ceremonies - Types that met their fulfillment in their AntiType, Jesus:

The Passover Lamb ended with the sacrifice of the Lamb of God.
The Unleavened Bread ended with the body of Christ lying uncorrupted in the tomb.
Circumcision ended with the shed blood of Jesus who was "cut off from the land of the living".
The roof of the Sanctuary with its "ram's skins dyed RED" ended with the blood of the Lamb of God covering all sin.

Salvation hasn't changed: always by grace through faith, whether one looked forward or looks back to Calvary. Ten Commandments haven't changed: it was, is, and always will be SIN to break any one of them because Psalms 111:7-8 KJV tell us they will always stand as laws to which all will faithfully obey.
 
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it really isn’t rocket science it’s about believing the New Testament and not trying to lug the old with us
You don't realize the absolute integrality of the OT: you're just parroting popular nonsensical false pulpit prophet platitudes which seek to keep people ignorant and thus easily manipulated.

  • We can't even begin to understand the Book of Revelation without the Book of Daniel and other OT books.
  • Of the 404 verses of the KJV Book of Revelation, 276 are taken directly or indirectly from the OT.
  • Many doctrines such as what happens after death, the reward of the wicked, etc., are completely thrown off track by those who only consider the NT while denying the OT evidence a chance to speak.
  • A full 10 percent of everything Jesus had to say in the Scriptures is a direct or indirect quote from the OT.
  • Paul said the things written aforetime in the OT are teaching principles especially applicable to those living just before Christ's return.
  • When Jesus commanded "Search the Scriptures...for they are they which testify of Me" to those who were/are now mining depths of Scripture for the truths about salvation, only the OT existed.
Now that you know that you've been lied to by those who told you to dismiss the OT, let's remember what we've learned and go forward with newfound respect for what our Savior said in Matthew 4:4 KJV:

"Man shall not live by bread alone, BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD."
 
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Whoever is trying to promote the Law is denying Grace.
Those who try to push the Sabbath, the 7th day of the week, are those who have never tasted Grace.
I would say to them: 'You must be born again, born anew, born from above, born of the Spirit."
If you are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, you will never try to advocate Sabbatarianism.
Seventh Day Adventists are LIARS. (Read bit.ly/trulib1 upto bit.ly/trulib5.)
They have not experienced LIBERTY in Christ; they are still in BONDAGE.
You have no idea what you're talking about.

Jesus was the greatest advocate of the law, so much so that He chose to DIE for it rather than change His own law to save His own life -- that's how much respect Jesus has for His own law that He spoke aloud at Sinai and wrote what He didn't even trust a man to write, but rather did it with His own finger in stone. And, if you think for one second you can now live contrary to God's law now and somehow get up to heaven and continue your rebellion there, you've either been reading the wrong Bible, listening to false pulpit prophets, or are just plainly practicing known opposition to Christ, all of which earn Satan's highest approval.
 
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Different words , different things , different seal , different context, different thing entirely. Absolutely nothing to do with Acts 2 . Eph 4.30 , Eph 1.13 at all .
Yeah, though Peter tells you the way to avoid "private interpretations" of prophecy is to read what the "holy men spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" so that we can gain proper interpretation of prophetic symbolism...you've got better ideas, right?

Peter, you foolish apostle, go to "throughfaith" and learn a new way!

We don't need to read what Daniel says a "beast" is or what John says the "waters" mean or what Ezekiel has to say about how "days" and "years" are symbolized in prophecy...we don't need any of you "holy men" of Scripture...we got "throughfaith" to tell us what the prophetic symbolism means!

After all, he's a Dispensationalist who subscribes to J. N. Darby, the so called "Protestant Reformer" wannabe who was SEDUCED BY JESUIT FUTURISM!
 
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I've never said that's who I'm following ? I'm simply pointing out what's different. You quoted a SDA this clearly shows what your following and its not the bible. Still waiting for those verses that explicitly SAYS what you believe?
Ain't if funny how this SDA constantly shuts the mouths of the opposition by making Biblical arguments that can't be answered?

For instance, you are opposed to the idea that Christians must obey the Ten Commandments. Fine, is is OK to steal, lie, commit adultery, then?

Tell us, do you think God's eternal law, the Ten Commandments, exist but we don't have to obey them, while the least of man's laws on the books not only must be obeyed, but the disobedience of which subjects us to punishment?

Are Christians at liberty to break them while sinners are cast into hell for doing the same?

Do you think Christians are not a liberty to break them but God is OK if they do?

You only wish your theology was as consistent as my Seventh-day Adventist theology, which says there's grace for the Just Man who falls seven times but rises again, but the only fate for the PRESUMPTUOUS, ANTIMONIANIST, OSAS LICENCED SINNER MAN is the Lake of Fire.
 
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I mean EXPLICITLY SAYS . Not " explanation, explanation , This is what I believe it teaches , Verse .Kjv
It's called "line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little".

But, if you are unwilling to accept that, then right back at you: SHOW ME THE "THUS SAITH THE LORD" WHERE THE SAINT HAS CARTE BLANCHE TO BREAK THE TEN COMMANDMENTS INDISCRIMINANTLY AND MAY STILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

P.S. - I'm not asking you on how to get saved, which is "grace through faith, not by works"..we konw that..Show me where it says the SAVED PERSON MAY BREAK THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND STILL GO TO HEAVEN, THEN I'LL SHOW YOU A "THUS SAITH THE LORD" WHERE IT SAYS THE SAVED PERSON WHO DOES THAT WILL END UP IN HELL.
 
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Heres an example of what I mean by EXPLICITLY SAYS .
Ok I believe the adoption is the redemption of the body .
Rom 8.23
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
wow! ,would you look at that . That verse EXPLICITLY SAYS what I believe. Do you see it ?
Now you don't have verses like this that Say what you believe.
Bro, do you really want to go there with me, because I can do that all day long...Please go back and read that part about "have the firstfruits of the Spirit", OK? Good.

Now, let's find out to whom God gives the "spirit": "And we are His witnesses, and so also is the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that OBEY Him". Acts 5:32 KJV

Oh, didja miss that? Could it be that all the church people running around deliberately breaking the Ten Commandments shouting "we don't have to obey the Ten Commandments" need to meditate and think about that?

Could it be they will be among the ones Jesus says, "Sorry, never knew you, you workers of iniquity"?

See what I did there? I showed you that there are tons of touchy, feely people in churches that talk "grace, grace, grace" and think they are saved but don't have a clue what it means to have the Holy Spirit because God only gives it "to them that obey Him", right or wrong?
 
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Heres an example of what I mean by EXPLICITLY SAYS .
Ok I believe the adoption is the redemption of the body .
Rom 8.23
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
wow! ,would you look at that . That verse EXPLICITLY SAYS what I believe. Do you see it ?
Now you don't have verses like this that Say what you believe.
BTW, every comment I give is fully in harmony with the verse provided, so let's dispense with the subverting for the sake of being subversive, OK?
 

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The law of "Moses" kills and has been abolished

The Law "God" wrote in stone in the 10 commandments, are instructions to righteousness, and apply to the Church today
oh you don't think the Law was instruction for righteousness? huh. weird.

great so in your opinion what is that God calls "the ministry of death engraved on stones"
because scripture says that's the letter that kills.


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God never had Paul tell any Christian on this earth to “keep his commandments” in reference to the Old Testament commandments.
Oh, so Paul wasn't under the aegis of the Holy Spirit when he said, "let him who stole steal no more"?

Or, "The law is holy, and the commandment holy, just, and good"?

Or, James was just speaking out of his butt when he said, "Now, if thou commit no adultery, yet thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law"??

C'mon, you can do better than that!
 

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The law of "Moses" kills and has been abolished
you know when Paul says the law kills in Romans 7 he used one of the 10 commandments as an example.
and if you'd care to read the Torah the commands Moses gave are the word of the LORD. they don't originate with man, but with God.

so i'm extremely skeptical about your phariseeism. IMO it's heretical antichrist doctrine spitting on Christ & under the delusion of the great Lie of Satan that God cannot solve the problem of sin. IMO you are denying the power of the cross, and it's blasphemous & damnable.

but that's just my opinion.
nevermind that scripture supports me.


go have a look at Romans 7 again, eh?
 

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Oh, so Paul wasn't under the aegis of the Holy Spirit when he said, "let him who stole steal no more"?
when are you going to realize that if God gives us a righteous heart we don't need a ministry of death to tell us that we shouldn't steal?
 

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Once they were in the ark they could not get out for it could only be opened from the outside. The ark signifies salvation.
amen

He that opens and no man shuts, that shuts and no man opens ;)
 

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It's called "line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little".

But, if you are unwilling to accept that, then right back at you: SHOW ME THE "THUS SAITH THE LORD" WHERE THE SAINT HAS CARTE BLANCHE TO BREAK THE TEN COMMANDMENTS INDISCRIMINANTLY AND MAY STILL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

P.S. - I'm not asking you on how to get saved, which is "grace through faith, not by works"..we konw that..Show me where it says the SAVED PERSON MAY BREAK THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND STILL GO TO HEAVEN, THEN I'LL SHOW YOU A "THUS SAITH THE LORD" WHERE IT SAYS THE SAVED PERSON WHO DOES THAT WILL END UP IN HELL.

who is this imaginary person you think God has supernaturally saved, given a new heart, and is renewing their mind and conforming to His image, but who hates righteousness and wants to spend all their lives in sin?

you're living in your own head spending all your time here hating imaginary people that don't exist, dude. your entire conversation is animosity towards people that do not exist.

God saves.
when He saves, He saves.
quit acting like He only half-saves and fails even at that. did Christ die for nothing??
 
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oh you don't think the Law was instruction for righteousness? huh.

great so in your opinion what is that God calls "the ministry of death engraved on stones"

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So, what's your point? The same law that Paul says is a "ministry of death" for those who break them James says are a "Law of Liberty" to those who keep them and will be judged by them, right or wrong?

The same laws against trafficking crack are a ministry of slapped wrists to those who sell crack, but are a law of liberty to the rest us who had the sense to learn marketable skills so we could earn an honest living.
 

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So, what's your point? The same law that Paul says is a "ministry of death" for those who break them James says are a "Law of Liberty" to those who keep them and will be judged by them, right or wrong?

The same laws against trafficking crack are a ministry of slapped wrists to those who sell crack, but are a law of liberty to the rest us who had the sense to learn marketable skills so we could earn an honest living.
what's my point??
my point is that y'all butchering the scripture in order to preach a false gospel of works.
and you're all puffed up telling yourself how smart you are while you act like fools.

that's antichrist.
 
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So, what's your point? The same law that Paul says is a "ministry of death" for those who break them James says are a "Law of Liberty" to those who keep them and will be judged by them, right or wrong?

The same laws against trafficking crack are a ministry of slapped wrists to those who sell crack, but are a law of liberty to the rest us who had the sense to learn marketable skills so we could earn an honest living.
THROUGH DEATH YET THE BELIEVER ARE LIBERATED MY BROTHER. NO CONTRADICTION THERE.
 
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amen

He that opens and no man shuts, that shuts and no man opens ;)
Matthew 24:12-13 KJV proves both of you wrong...it says in the last days many saints will kill their agape cold and dead through iniquity, fail to endure to the end, and be lost: Matthew 24:12-13 KJV

And the Ark also had at least one window through which they could have crawled out, and likely a lot more - otherwise the people outside would have drowned and the people inside would have suffocated...