Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[Pilgrimshope]

People who keep committing the same habitual, deliberate, known sin show the world and heaven they are NOT saved, but have either never turned to God or have turned away in a backslidden state...BOTH are going to hell and there's not a single thing a worthless OSAS License to Sin will be able to do about it.

Plenty of verses which teach a person in a saving relationship with Jesus can change their mind and wind up lost.

“People who keep committing the same habitual, deliberate, known sin show the world and heaven they are NOT saved, but have either never turned to God or have turned away in a backslidden state...BOTH are going to hell and there's not a single thing a worthless OSAS”

When we say things like this we raise the bar for our own self , not someone else

“Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We set our own judgement according to how we judge others

“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:

forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:35-38‬ ‭

You are setting yourself up for a hard fall by taking the position you have. Other people will be saved or condemned by their own response to Christ and his words. The same as you will.

Christ has a lot to say about not peering at others sins and dealing with our own sins . I know we sometimes think I son too but I’m. Ot like that habitual sinner over there but the truth is

if we have lied once we’re a transgressor the same as if we stole a hundred times once the law is broken all
Sinners are in the same boat

Christians are going to be judged by that law of liberty mercy for the merciful and judgement for the judges

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:10-13‬ ‭

Some people are in a hard fight for thier soul struggling against sin and don’t yet have the understanding to come out of it , your judgement is for you. But christs is for believers

 

[Phoneman-777]

Ok let's just focus on the narrative with Noah for a moment. Why would Noah do that? He just spent years building the Ark ?

"Remember Lot's wife." -- Jesus

A woman who was on the right path, but allowed her heart to turn back to the world and judgment befell her.

 

[Phoneman-777]

All your doing is essentially saying its salvation by works ,but then you add" 'evidenced ' by works " Yes salvation by works .

Let's see if you're claim that I teach salvation by works is true -- please click on the links to see how I back up every single point with contextual verses.

1. Sin is the transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4 KJV)

2. At some point in our lives, we discover we are sinners incapable of obeying the law, even if we wanted to. (Romans 3:23 KJV; Romans 8:7 KJV)

3. It is the Holy Spirit Who convicts us of this and attempts to lead us to repentance... (John 16:7-11 KJV; Romans 2:4 KJV)

4. We enter the valley of decision, considering the issues before us. (Isaiah 1:18-19 KJV; Luke 14:28-33 KJV)

5. The wise man will open the door of his heart upon which Jesus knocks for entrance. (Revelation 3:20 KJV)

6. When Christ enters the heart, the sinner is converted to a saint and his name is written in the Book of Life. (Revelation 21:27 KJV)

7. With Christ in the heart, all things - including obedience - are possible for the saint. (Philippians 4:13 KJV)

8. The evidence that the sinner is now a saint is that he will keep the commandments of God, while the lack thereof is evidence that there has actually been no conversion or the saint has chosen to expel Jesus from his heart. (1 John 2:3-4 KJV; 1 John 5:2-3 KJV; 2 Peter 2:20-22 KJV)

IN LIGHT OF THE TRUTH, ARE YOU GOING TO IGNORE IT AND CONTINUE TO INSIST I TEACH SALVATION IS BY WORKS?​

 

[Phoneman-777]

This is such a false premise

It is exactly what the law does it says if you break one law you are guilty of all the law and you must pay the penalty ... death

That is exactly what you are preaching the ministry of death.

Peter said this about the law as it applied to the new Gentile believers. Every where Paul preached he was followed by Jewish preachers who insisted that the Gentiles must obey Moses. So Paul took it to Jerusalem the first great conference of the church, Peter said

Acts. 15.
Brethren you know that in the early days God made choice among you that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. And God who knows the heart bore witness to them giving the Holy Spirit just as He did to us and He made no distinction between us and them but cleansed their hearts by faith.

Now therefore why do you put God to the test by putting a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus just as they will.

James wrote a letter totally exonerating the Gentiles from having to obey Moses.

It was these same preachers Paul talks about in Galatians who were preaching a false accursed gospel ... just as you are ... this is the incident Paul is talking about.

There is a curse upon this false gospel.

False Gospel? You OSAS License to Sin preachers are the ones preaching that.

We know full well the power to resist the devil and make him flee is already guaranteed, but our desire to sin is why we fail. But, instead of manning up and admitting this and then asking Jesus to give us upright desires, we stubbornly insist on this false Gospel of OSAS and the License to Sin if provides us. That is the problem.

 

[Phoneman-777]

hey @Phoneman-777

one quick question:

• do you agree that the heretical spirit of phariseeism ((for lack of better term - e.g. what's warned against in Galatians)) is still thriving in the church today, and if so who is a pharisee?

Yes, that evil spirit has in its grasp "Licensees" who preach OSAS:

In the days of old, the Pharisees claimed God's promises (restoration and national greatness) while refusing to meet the conditions for them (acceptance of their Messiah).

Likewise, the OSAS crowd today claims the promise of salvation while refusing to meet the condition for it, which is repentance and surrender.

 

[Phoneman-777]

There is no such term in the bible as OSAS. The bible speaks about the free gift of eternal life

Agreed...but you OSAS License to Sin preachers want that gift bestowed upon those who HATE Jesus and refuse to obey His commandments.

"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments and His commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3 KJV

 

[Phoneman-777]

the point bro is they have been trying to do it from the founding of it and cannot. The law was given to show us we are incapable of keeping them. and We need Jesus. The Law is God's Holy Standard man will never live up to. God want to see the Blood as payment for when you broke them the first time, not Ok try again. IF keeping the law saves you then you should not die physically because you keeping the law should give you eternal life. Your body should not age and you should be able to live forever, but you can't why?
Sin. You will die and the only way you will come back is not the law but Jesus Christ.

Bro, stop focusing on the people in the Bible who failed miserably and focus on the ones who overcame! Noah, Job, Moses, David, Mannaseh, good gravy, man, even King Nebuchadnezzer!

Try this:

The next time the devil tempts you to sin, stop and say, "Phoneman 777 says I'm a weak, pathetic, limp noodle, loser who claims to be more than a conqueror, but always gets my butt handed to me the second the devil shows up with his temptation, so I'm going to show that stupid Cajun Coullion that I MOST CERTAINLY CAN resist the devil and make him flee" and then get on your knees and don't get up until the devil is long gone.

Let me know what happens.

 

[Phoneman-777]

“People who keep committing the same habitual, deliberate, known sin show the world and heaven they are NOT saved, but have either never turned to God or have turned away in a backslidden state...BOTH are going to hell and there's not a single thing a worthless OSAS”

When we say things like this we raise the bar for our own self , not someone else

“Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We set our own judgement according to how we judge others

“But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged:

condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned:

forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall be given into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭6:35-38‬ ‭

You are setting yourself up for a hard fall by taking the position you have. Other people will be saved or condemned by their own response to Christ and his words. The same as you will.

Christ has a lot to say about not peering at others sins and dealing with our own sins . I know we sometimes think I son too but I’m. Ot like that habitual sinner over there but the truth is

if we have lied once we’re a transgressor the same as if we stole a hundred times once the law is broken all
Sinners are in the same boat

Christians are going to be judged by that law of liberty mercy for the merciful and judgement for the judges

“For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.”
‭‭James‬ ‭2:10-13‬ ‭

Some people are in a hard fight for thier soul struggling against sin and don’t yet have the understanding to come out of it , your judgement is for you. But christs is for believers

You're forgetting one thing: the "bar" is the Word of God which backs up every word I said. Now, if we refuse to believe Jesus when He says the workers of iniquity are going into the Lake of Fire so that we can manufacture a OSAS License to Sin in order to continue in iniquity, we are purposefully disregarding the "bar" the Word of God has set for us...with obvious eternal consequences for doing so.

 

[CS1]

Bro, stop focusing on the people in the Bible who failed miserably and focus on the ones who overcame! Noah, Job, Moses, David, Mannaseh, good gravy, man, even King Nebuchadnezzer!

Try this:

The next time the devil tempts you to sin, stop and say, "Phoneman 777 says I'm a weak, pathetic, limp noodle, loser who claims to be more than a conqueror, but always gets my butt handed to me the second the devil shows up with his temptation, so I'm going to show that stupid Cajun Coullion that I MOST CERTAINLY CAN resist the devil and make him flee" and then get on your knees and don't get up until the devil is long gone.

Let me know what happens.

what do you mean stop focusing on those who failed FYI you failed I failed LOl That is why Jesus is the only answer

 

[Truth7t7]

Once again, your theology is upside down...the only purpose of the commandments is to show us our sin so that we can go to Jesus for cleansing and victory.

James says the law is a mirror into which we gaze to see the dirt on our face - the job of the mirror ain't to clean anything - that what the cleansing Word Jesus is for.

You OSAS Antinomianists for some reason think that the solution to a dirty face in the mirror is to break the flippin mirror.

I fully agree with you on the Ten Commandments and the Sabbath, but your view on OSAS in (Eternal Security) is flawed

The scripture is very clear below, the gospel is heard, the gospel is believed, the Holy Spirit seals until the day of redemption (Eternal Security)

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

 

[Truth7t7]

You're forgetting one thing: the "bar" is the Word of God which backs up every word I said. Now, if we refuse to believe Jesus when He says the workers of iniquity are going into the Lake of Fire so that we can manufacture a OSAS License to Sin in order to continue in iniquity, we are purposefully disregarding the "bar" the Word of God has set for us...with obvious eternal consequences for doing so.

If a person continues in unrepentant sin, its apparent the person was never saved and sealed by the Holy Spirit to begin with

Lip service from the wolf in sheeps clothing

 

[Truth7t7]

The law killeth because nobody can keep it. stop teaching it then, teach the new life we have in the Spirit.

The law of "Moses" kills and has been abolished

The Law "God" wrote in stone in the 10 commandments, are instructions to righteousness, and apply to the Church today

 

[Truth7t7]

Attempting to bring Christians under the law is the work of Satan, plain and simple!

You suggest that "Gods" 10 commandments written in stone is the Law of of "Moses" that has been abolished, "Wrong"

Jesus Christ taught and upheld the 10 commandments in his earthly ministry

Your claim that observance of God's 10 Commandments is a work of Satan?

Your claim is Bold and plain ignorance on display

Matthew 19:16-21KJV
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[throughfaith]

Let's see if you're claim that I teach salvation by works is true -- please click on the links to see how I back up every single point with contextual verses.

1. Sin is the transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4 KJV)

2. At some point in our lives, we discover we are sinners incapable of obeying the law, even if we wanted to. (Romans 3:23 KJV; Romans 8:7 KJV)

3. It is the Holy Spirit Who convicts us of this and attempts to lead us to repentance... (John 16:7-11 KJV; Romans 2:4 KJV)

4. We enter the valley of decision, considering the issues before us. (Isaiah 1:18-19 KJV; Luke 14:28-33 KJV)

5. The wise man will open the door of his heart upon which Jesus knocks for entrance. (Revelation 3:20 KJV)

6. When Christ enters the heart, the sinner is converted to a saint and his name is written in the Book of Life. (Revelation 21:27 KJV)

7. With Christ in the heart, all things - including obedience - are possible for the saint. (Philippians 4:13 KJV)

8. The evidence that the sinner is now a saint is that he will keep the commandments of God, while the lack thereof is evidence that there has actually been no conversion or the saint has chosen to expel Jesus from his heart. (1 John 2:3-4 KJV; 1 John 5:2-3 KJV; 2 Peter 2:20-22 KJV)

IN LIGHT OF THE TRUTH, ARE YOU GOING TO IGNORE IT AND CONTINUE TO INSIST I TEACH SALVATION IS BY WORKS?​

So accordong to your own words then a believer WILL keep the commandments of God and thus cannot be lost . This is similar to calvinisms perseverance of the saints .
//
8. The evidence that the sinner is now a saint is that he will keep the commandments of God///


So why are you going on about loss of salvation then ?
Keeping the commandments is 'works of the law 'But your preaching that he WILL keep them. By force ? Can't do otherwise, no free will ?

 

[throughfaith]

Let's see if you're claim that I teach salvation by works is true -- please click on the links to see how I back up every single point with contextual verses.

1. Sin is the transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4 KJV)

2. At some point in our lives, we discover we are sinners incapable of obeying the law, even if we wanted to. (Romans 3:23 KJV; Romans 8:7 KJV)

3. It is the Holy Spirit Who convicts us of this and attempts to lead us to repentance... (John 16:7-11 KJV; Romans 2:4 KJV)

4. We enter the valley of decision, considering the issues before us. (Isaiah 1:18-19 KJV; Luke 14:28-33 KJV)

5. The wise man will open the door of his heart upon which Jesus knocks for entrance. (Revelation 3:20 KJV)

6. When Christ enters the heart, the sinner is converted to a saint and his name is written in the Book of Life. (Revelation 21:27 KJV)

7. With Christ in the heart, all things - including obedience - are possible for the saint. (Philippians 4:13 KJV)

8. The evidence that the sinner is now a saint is that he will keep the commandments of God, while the lack thereof is evidence that there has actually been no conversion or the saint has chosen to expel Jesus from his heart. (1 John 2:3-4 KJV; 1 John 5:2-3 KJV; 2 Peter 2:20-22 KJV)

IN LIGHT OF THE TRUTH, ARE YOU GOING TO IGNORE IT AND CONTINUE TO INSIST I TEACH SALVATION IS BY WORKS?​

//
With Christ in the heart, all things - including obedience - are possible for the saint. (Philippians 4:13 KJV)

8. The evidence that the sinner is now a saint is that he will keep the commandments of God,
Whilst Philippians is not about keeping the commandments. You mention ' 'possible ' ,then you talk about "he will keep the commandments of God" Which is it ? If he WILL keep the commandments this isn't about ' possibilities ' this is certainly he will ,if that's what you mean . Are you affirming that all believers KEEP the commandments ?

 

[Truth7t7]

Keeping the commandments is 'works of the law

Jesus Christ taught and upheld the 10 commandments in his earthly ministry

John 14:14-15KJV
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Matthew 19:16-21KJV
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[throughfaith]

Jesus Christ taught and upheld the 10 commandments in his earthly ministry

John 14:14-15KJV
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Matthew 19:16-21KJV
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Yes all those verses are not to the body of Christ . Thats why people consistently quote from those books/ verses .Especially Matthew. Matthew gets used of context all day every day . Paul's letters ,not so much ,which is interesting.

 

[throughfaith]

Jesus Christ taught and upheld the 10 commandments in his earthly ministry

John 14:14-15KJV
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Matthew 19:16-21KJV
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

//Jesus Christ taught and upheld the 10 commandments in his earthly ministry//
Naturally as a Jew born under the law why would he not ?

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes all those verses are not to the body of Christ . Thats why people consistently quote from those books/ verses .Especially Matthew. Matthew gets used of context all day every day . Paul's letters ,not so much ,which is interesting.

The Church Is The Elect Of God In Matthew 24, As You Suggest Otherwise

You Promote Christian Zionism in Dual Covenant Theology, In Two Peoples Of God

A New Testament For Jews, And One For The Church

2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Of course the teaching and words of God below are for, and apply to the Church, how far will one go in denial of clear biblical truth

Jesus Christ taught and upheld the 10 commandments in his earthly ministry

Matthew 5:19KJV
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

John 14:14-15KJV
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Matthew 19:16-21KJV
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Revelation 14:12KJV
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Revelation 22:14KJV
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[throughfaith]

Freedom is scary for some, so they turn to legalism, because that's where they feel most secure . They fight tooth and nail for laws , rules , perimeters . Grace and freedom is terrifying for these types . They are drawn to certain cults and religions ,because it seemingly offers ' security ' and boundaries , They will be drawn to the groups that offer the most ' certainty ' " Come to our organisation, we have the answers " . The offer of free falling into grace is not good news to them ,that's why they call it Licence to sin . They can't imagine any different.