I guess someone ought to tell those Christians in heaven in Revelation Ch 5 Verses 13-14 to stop worshiping that angel then.
Daniel 11:37, The Future Antichrist Will Be A Jew/Hebrew In Decent
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It looked like you came up with a hunch that the antichrist would be a Jew and then looked for verses that supported that hunch. That’s why I suggested Nimrod as a type, he fits the bill better than those Jewish kings.Big Smiles!
The verses in Kings and Chronicles were specifically used showing (God Of His Fathers) that pertained to the true Hebrew/Jewish God, enforcing my claim in Daniel 11:37 and nothing more
You infer I'm suggesting the Antichrist is seen in the verses, (Wrong)
The Pharaoh of Egypt is the best anti type, because when the 2 witnesses of Rev 11 take their stand, it will be a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, all plagues as often as they will, noisome scores, water to blood, scorching sun, darkness
Here is a verse suggesting the AC is not Jewish...
Daniel 9:26 ESV
[26] And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.
The people were Romans that destroyed Jerusalem, so the Prince will be Roman.
Besides the AC won’t be revealed until after the rapture...
2 Thessalonians 2:3 ESV
[3] Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
It is all a deception. Does the pope "think" he is Christ. I think he does not.
Scripture reference?
Are you 7th day Adventist, with the Michael The Arch Angel Theory?
I have shown my claim of Hebrew/Jewish (God Of His Fathers)
Crossnote, ain't gonna be a pre-trib rapture, found no place in the scripture
All claims of a pre-trib rapture are nothing more that the second coming of Jesus Christ 1 Cor 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, on and on
A false teaching of John N Darby & Adulterer C.I. Scofield, in his 1909 reference bible, this being the greatest influence in the church, with millions of copies sold
Your response is a false suggestion, a distraction from your inability to respond with scripture, because none exist to support a pre-trib rapture, none
Jesus Is The Lord
Thanks for the honest response. Then do believe Catholics think he is Jesus Christ?
He’s got JW written all over him. I asked him about Rev Ch 5:13-14. I would like to know why he thinks the Christians in Heaven are worshiping Jesus if he is just an angel. I’m still waiting for his reply.
Salvation doesn’t come to the Jews until the fullness of the Gentiles come in, and you are adamant about the AC being Jewish, so you seem to hate both groups. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Scripture clearly teaches that the figure seen in Daniel 11:37 below will be a Jew/Hebrew, read it again
The (Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel 11:37 Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)
Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Examples Of The True Hebrew God Below
2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.
2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
If you genuinely look at those verses with an open mind, you could come to the conclusion that it can be any person who has Christian or Jewish ancestors. Both Christians and Jews worship the God of Abraham.Scripture clearly teaches that the figure seen in Daniel 11:37 below will be a Jew/Hebrew, read it again
The (Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel 11:37 Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)
Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Examples Of The True Hebrew God Below
2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.
2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
Another thing, just because the AC’s ancestors worshiped the God of Abraham it doesn’t mean the AC will come from a family that currently does. His family could be atheists, Buddhists, etc.
Hes one of these message board Warriors who has all the knowledge, but actually has none. And when you prove him wrong, he just moves on.
True, and by REVEALED, I don't think it means as the Beast, at think it means he comes onto the scene as the guy who positions Satan's will to come to pass (to annihilate Israel) first, then becomes the Beast when he Conquers Israel AND (key) THE MANY [Nations] in the Region as Dan. 11:40-43 says. There is a way to look at prophecy, and there is guessing. I don't guess, they guess. Then again I was actually called to do this 35 years ago. He is revealed via his FORCED AGREEMENT (Covenant in Hebrew simply means agreement), but 7-year agreements are PRE PLACED (his paths are made straight so he can do what he needs to QUICKLY), in other words, the European Union has had 7-year agreements in place with Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, AND Libya for years, those deals ran from 2007-2013 and from 2014-2020, in 7-year cycles. Who does the Anti-Christ Conquer? Israel and THE MANY, as Dan. 8:25, 9:27, and 11:40-43 tell us plainly. Its called the European Neighborhood Policy, and anyone can look at it on its Wikipedia page right now.
We actually have THE TYPE Antichrist in Dan. 11:21-33 maybe 34 in Antiochus. That is why verses 36-45 in Daniel 11 are about the End Time Anti-Christ. Doing my Exegesis on Daniel 11 and 12 I found that not only do we have the ANTI-CHRIST TYPE, (a Gentile king of course, like the other 6 were) but we have the FALSE PROPHET TYPE also, I ran across this by pure accident. But there is one man who matches what that coming False Prophet will do with the Anti-Christ, his name was Jason (real name Yeshua). He bribed Antiochus to be named the High Priest, thereby having his brother (a pious High Priest) Onias III killed. He then welcomed Antiochus into the temple of God to sacrifice a pig unto Zeus (tries to change TIMES & LAWS actually means traditions and cultures) and then he tried to get the Jews to Hellenize their culture, but instead the Jews rebelled and thus we got the Maccabean Revolt.
So, both TYPES lived at the same time, thus we got a sorta glimpse at the Dastardly Dynamic Evil Duo in Jason and Antiochus, thus we understand that the Anti-Christ is a European (not specifically a Roman, but a European, because Rome ruled all of Europe), and the False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest who betrays his people as Jason did. Thus now it makes sense, w have a Beast over Governments and a BEAST over Religion. The Harlot (All False Religions) is killed off by the 10 (Complete Europe) Kings and thus ONE MAN (False Prophet) is placed over ALL RELIGION. And he places the Image of the Beast not only in the Temple of God IMHO, but around all the lands the Beast rules in Churches, in Mecca, in every religious place on earth, and he thus demands that all men worship the Bests IMAGE or die (Rev. 13). Doesn't that look like what Jason did to the Jews? He tried to get them to take on the Greek culture, to worship their gods, to take their names etc. etc.
Salvation comes to the remnant elect Jew, those whom God foreknew, not all Jews will be saved as many falsely teach
At not time did I claim that the AC's family would be serving the (God Of His Fathers) at the time of his revealing
Judaism is currently looking for their Messiah, AKA The Antichrist, to come from the lineage of King David, they are devoted to pedigree in genealogy just like the Mormons
The Jews aren't going to accept a Muslim or a Christian in lineage as their Messiah, historical enemies of Judaism, and it dosent fulfill the historical Old Testament prophecies, it's that simple
The future Antichrist of Daniel will be a Jew/Hebrew in decent
I really don’t think it will matter because the Jews believe the Messiah will just be a man. That’s why they reject Christ because he told them he was God. But the AC will eventually claim he is God which will lose any support he had among the Jews anyway.
I Strongly Disagree
The Antichrist and False Prophet will deceive the world into taking the mark and worshipping the image, through false miracles, in calling fire down from heaven
Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Again...Scripture clearly teaches that the figure seen in Daniel 11:37 below will be a Jew/Hebrew, read it again
The (Little Horn) or Antichrist Of Daniel 11:37 Will Be A Jew/Hebrew, His Ancestry Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)
Daniel 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Examples Of The True Hebrew God Below
2 Kings 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.
2 Chronicles 28:25KJV
25 And in every several city of Judah he made high places to burn incense unto other gods, and provoked to anger the Lord God of his fathers.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Daniel 9:26 (KJV) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
The Jews did not destroy their own Temple.
I follow a strict solo scriptura path.
I believe Jesus is referred to as Michael, the arch angel simply because of the meaning of arch angel: It's the chief messenger. There is no more messenger in chief than the Lord Jesus himself. He is the word. That's my rationale for my understanding that Michael the arch angel is our "Messenger in Chief," the Lord Jesus. Further, because God refers to Jesus as "David" in some instances, it is not a stretch of the imagination to understand that Jesus goes by many names as how God teaches by them.
Paul says in Colossians 1:15 that Jesus is the image of the invisible God. Therefore, the Angel of the Lord is Jesus Christ.
In Judges Chapter 13, Manoah and his wife realized they saw God when the Angel of the Lord accepted and did "wondrously" their offering.
In Exodus 3, the Angel of the Lord appeared to Moses in a flame of fire (Exodus 3:2) and identifies himself as God calling out to Moses from the midst of the bush (Exodus 3:4) and in his conversation with Moses, identified himself as "the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." (Exodus 3:6)
In Genesis Chapter 16, when Hagar fled from Sarai, the Angel of the Lord spoke with her in the wilderness and "And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude." (Genesis 16:10) Further, she recognized that she had been visited by God and called the name of the Lord that spoke to her "Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me?" (Genesis 16:13) Further, the well is called Beerlahairoi which is "well of the Living One seeing me" (Genesis 16:14) Further, Kadesh and Bered mean (Kadesh = holy) and Bered = hail. The whole place is described by God in this event with Hagar and the Angel of the Lord as God seeing Hagar and saving her son and blessing him. Angels bring tidings, not blessings.
In Genesis Chapter 22:11-12, The Angel of the Lord calls out to stop Abraham from slaying Isaac and declares himself to be God when he says, "... seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me."
It is notable that the Angel of the Lord no longer appears after the birth of Jesus.
For these reasons and others I may not have thought to cite here, I believe the Angel of the Lord is our Lord Jesus Christ.
That's true, there are a few coming to faith now in their Messiah, but there will be a great ingathering when many finally cry out to Him due to the Great Tribulation..
Prediction:
Luke 13:35 (KJV) Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
To be fulfilled:
Zechariah 12:10 (KJV) And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.