im Having a hard time understanding what your position is honestly
what are you advocating ? And what are you claiming others have wrong ?
Can you take a moment to explain your position
Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?
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im Having a hard time understanding what your position is honestly
what are you advocating ? And what are you claiming others have wrong ?
Can you take a moment to explain your position
The bible clearly teaches of the "Godhead"
Colossians 2:9KJV
9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
1 John 5:7-8KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
//the choice not to climb out the window// Firstly . In heaven can you jump out back to earth? secondly, I'm not a Calvinist, so I believe we choose . Having free will has nothing to do with staying saved . The analogy makes no sense . Noah would have committed suicide by 'jumping 'out the window ( assuming he could) Why would he have committed suicide ? But anyway ,its a bad analogy. The equivalent would be asking God directly ,purposely to un seal un regenerate us and to throw us in hell . Now your going to say " yes that's what they indirectly are doing when they sin intentionally and such . But thats not the same as Noah Jumping out the window of the Ark ,so the anology doesn't work .
That's not how a person is saved today . In order for there to be a sensible discussion ,where your points would at least try to hit the mark ,you need to understand how salvation works today , the components of it ,how its appropriated and the prerequisite for it . Nothing you've said so far is even close . Your adding what you think eternal security is to what you think salvation is . You probably think your making great points ,but your way off base . Take the time to understand the position ,because your firing missiles at the wrong thing.
"Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?"
That's pretty much what I thought, but more of from the angle that the effect of being "free in Christ" is that nothing could ever be done that would separate a person from the Love of Christ.
What I failed to understand, is that though I thought I knew the Scriptures quite well regarding such matters, I wasn't even a True Christian, to begin with. Unknowingly, I was deceived and my Father was the Devil. That's a problem.
That's pretty much what I thought, but more of from the angle that the effect of being "free in Christ" is that nothing could ever be done that would separate a person from the Love of Christ.
What I failed to understand, is that though I thought I knew the Scriptures quite well regarding such matters, I wasn't even a True Christian, to begin with. Unknowingly, I was deceived and my Father was the Devil. That's a problem.
The Ten Commandments existed before the Law of Moses was given at Sinai: Genesis 4:8 KJV; Genesis 9:22 KJV; Genesis 12:13 KJV; Genesis 39:9 KJV; Genesis 31:19 KJV; etc.
The Mosaic Law "was added (to the Ten Commandments) because of transgressions (of the Ten Commandments) until the Seed should come": Galatians 3:19 KJV
The Mosaic Law began at Sinai and ended at the Cross, but as for the Ten Commandments...Lucifer broke, among other laws, the law against trafficking lies (Ezekiel 28:16-18 KJV) way up there in heaven even before sin got busy down here.
BTW, the Ten Commandments, which tablets God carved out and then wrote on them with His finger, shall "stand fast forever and ever": Psalms 111:7-8 KJV
circumcision is greater than sabbath.
the covenant with Abraham is greater than the covenant at Sinai - one remains and the other is obsolete.
circumcision is the sign of the Abrahamic covenant; sabbath of the Mosaic.
a child is circumcised on the 8th day if it falls on a 7th.
the priests must work in the temple, but no one uncircumcised could even enter
therefore if becoming circumcised for justification is denying Christ, what is keeping sabbath for justification?
And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.
(Leviticus 12:3)
If you need commandments to keep you from committing adultery and murder you are in big trouble. true salvation is to be saved from sin .... how can we still be living in it then?
No it doesn't that is warped thinking. The commandment magnifies the sin "thou shalt not kill" but we have not received a murderous spirit, we have received Christ the Spirit of eternal life.
Only somebody who is bereft of the Holy Spirit would speak like that.
Ok there is no 8th day as in adding to the days of creation, its speaking of 8 consecutive days for circumcision after birth, and 33 consecutive days for the mothers cleansing
Leviticus 12:3KJV
1 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.
3 And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.
4 And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled.
You falsely suggest the 10 commandments have been removed from the Christian's observance
Adultery is found as common place in the world, as people everywhere are married to others while their awful spouses live (Adultery), including what is called the Church
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone [is] in Christ, [he is] a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
What day does this happen?
question it seems you are only concerned about the 4th Commandment why? Do you keep it the 4th commandment? Here is what I don't understand one can keep the 4th Commandment and be a drunkard and adulterer, and a liar, And go to hell.
It is easy to keep the fourth Commandment before man as to say "Look what I am doing".
Yet, a man can't see those other issues of sin in one's life, But God can.
The issues Jesu talked about in the heart of the believer and person. follow the law and the 4th Commandment but do not deal with the drunkness, and perversion of your heart guess what? The 4th Commandment will not save you.
Have done with the ministry of death, the law commands death upon every breech of it. That is the letter of the law "carved in stone"
It was the 10 commandments which were carved in stone.
We have God's law written upon our hearts, we will not sin against grace.
you know that is why the devil hates us so much God did for us what HE will not do for satan. Forgive and save us.
even hidden in the ot shadows of Christ
“these three agree in one.”
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion ......So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
Genesis 1:26-27
“And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him:
and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent. And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.”
Genesis 18:1-3, 5, 9-10