Sabbath

[gb9]

What translation do you recommend, the NIV, NASB, ESV, all supported by the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) created by Adulterers Kurt and Barbara Aland, and homosexual union supporter, jesuit roman catholic cardinal (Carlo Maria Martini)?

you do know that king jimmy was also rumored to be gay.

not a good card to pull.....

 

[john832]

in case you have never noticed this- it is dark, then a slight light comes on the land that gets brighter as the comes up.

so, if i go outside at 6 am in my area, their will be light in the sky, but still dark outside....

And at this time, Christ was already gone according to the scripture.

 

[john832]

My laptop is doing some quirky things with my posts tonight. I shall retire.

 

[gb9]

Well, the women got there and He was already gone...

Joh 20:1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
Joh 20:2 Then she ran and came to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and said to them, "They have taken away the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid Him."

Oh and God decided that days begin at sunset...

Lev 23:32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your sabbath."

yep . at what we call sundown.

the women went to the Tomb the next day, as the sun was coming up.
at dawn.

 

[Truth7t7]

you do know that king jimmy was also rumored to be gay.

not a good card to pull.....

All Confessing Christian Scholars, Beyond Comparison.

King James Bible Translators

• PATRON
  • King James I
• TRANSLATION OVERSEER
  • Richard Bancroft
• COMMITTEE OF TWO
• COMMITTEE OF REVISERS
• FIRST WESTMINSTER COMPANY
• FIRST CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
• FIRST OXFORD COMPANY
• SECOND CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
• SECOND OXFORD COMPANY
• SECOND WESTMINSTER COMPANY
• TRANSLATOR
  • Thomas Sparke
• PRINTER
  • Robert Barker
• CONTRIBUTORS
  • (Illustrators, Geneologies, Maps, Etc.)
  • John Speed (Genealogies, Map)
  • Cornelis Boel (Artist/Engraver)
  • John More (Map)
  • Renold Elstrack (Engraver)
  • Hugh Broughton (Genealogies)

INTRODUCTION
At least sixty men were directly involved in the translation of the King James Bible (hereinafter KJB). Most were Translators, while a few were project overseers, revisers and editors. Some served in several roles. Who were these men? What were their backgrounds? What did they share? In what ways were they different? They were a diverse group. While some were born in large cities and towns, most were from small villages scattered throughout England. Several were the children of university graduates, most were not. They were sons of mariners, farmers, school teachers, cordwainers (leather merchants), fletchers (makers of bows and arrows), ministers, brewers, tailors, and aristocrats. All were members of the Church of England, but their religious views ran the gamut. Some were ardent Puritans, others staunch defenders of the religious establishment. Some believed in pre-destination and limited salvation as taught by John Calvin, while others believed in self-determination and universal access to heaven as taught by Jacobus Arminius.
All of the Translators were university graduates. Oxford and Cambridge claimed nearly equal numbers of Translators as alumni. All of the Translators except one were ordained Church of England priests. While several of the Translators had traveled to the Continent, only one had ventured to the New World. Most of the Translators were married men (38 of 60) with families. Most of the Translators spent a significant portion of their career associated with their colleges and universities as fellows, involved in teaching and administration. As fellows, they were not allowed to marry. As a result many delayed marriage until they had established themselves in church office away from the university. When the translation commenced in 1604-1605, the majority of the Translators, 22, were in their forties, 16 men were in their thirties, 15 in their fifties, 3 in their sixties and 3 in their twenties.
One Translator died in his thirties, six in their forties, nineteen in their fifties, sixteen in their sixties, four in their seventies, three in their eighties and one, over one hundred. Nine of the Translators died before the KJB was published in the 1611.
Most of the Translators were in comfortable economic circumstances during and after their time involved in the translation. The association and friendships they developed during the translation project generally advanced their careers. Some of the Translators went on to high church and academic office. Five went on to serve as bishops and two as archbishops.
They all had a familiarity with the ancient languages of Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and often many more. They came on the historical scene at a time when the knowledge of early biblical texts and language was exploding. Such a flowering of interest and expertise was unique. Bible historian, Gordon Campbell, has observed:

The population from which scholars can now be drawn is much larger than in the seventeenth century, but it would be difficult now to bring together a group of more than fifty scholars with the range of languages and knowledge of other disciplines that characterized the KJB Translators. (Bible – The Story of the King James Version 1611-2011 Oxford, Gordon Campbell, Oxford University Press 2010.)​

For such a diverse group, they worked together in harmony during a generally contentious time. They had disagreements, to be sure, but they labored on, year after year. There were no "tell all books" published after the fact. Miles Smith remarked in his preface to the KJB, the Translators "were greater in other men's eyes than in their own, and sought truth rather than their own praise". They approached the task of translation with humility, understanding they were standing on the shoulders of giants like William Tyndale. Believers all, the Translators, according to Smith "craved the assistance of God's Spirit by prayer" as they proceeded in their work.
Though almost all were well known within the religious and academic community of the time, their involvement in the translation went largely unnoticed by the public. Their individual and group effort was not the subject of historical inquiry until many years after the fact. As a result, little information about the process of translation survived. The lives of the Translators and sometimes their very identity became obscured with time. In certain instances, the place of their birth and burial is unknown, and their family circumstance in doubt. Until this anniversary year, few could name even one Translator, let alone sixty. The following brief biographies are written in the hope to shed further light on these men who contributed so much.

 

[Truth7t7]

My laptop is doing some quirky things with my posts tonight. I shall retire.

Night

 

[posthuman]

They were at the tomb on the Sabbath, as it "Began" to dawn toward the first day

Matthew 28:1KJV
1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

sabbath ended when the sun set the previous night. if it's almost dawn then the sabbath had been over for nearly 12 hours.

i don't particularly care what kjv has here.
the actual text is Ὀψὲ δὲ σαββάτων which i'm told really clearly means "after ((Ὀψὲ)) the ((δὲ)) sabbaths ((σαββάτων))"

both indicating that there were multiple sabbaths in play, consistent with the pascha feast week, and indicating that the sabbaths were over -- i.e. it's the 8th day which is also the 1st, which Christendom calls "the Lord's day"

kjv has "in the end of the sabbath" which is wrong, sabbath is plural in the actual scripture in this verse. it's in the end of the sabbaths. and "in the end of" is apparently such an antiquated English that people today do not comprehend that it means the sabbaths were over and it is a new day. an eight day. a first day.



see for comparison Mark 16:1 in kjv -- "And when the sabbath was past..."

 

[posthuman]

You are incorrect about the calendar here. It operates on a 19 year time cycle. 7 of those nineteen years are intercalary years and have 13 months.

i'm aware of that but that's the Jew's adaption to the Levitical calendar described in Torah. the secular Jewish calendar with a inconsistent-length 'added' month is not the calendar that is contained in the scripture. i'm talking about the scriptural calendar. they recognized that the fallen world doesn't match the timeline laid out in God's word, so they took it upon themselves to make their own human traditional calendar to better match with the calendars of the Gentiles.

 

[posthuman]

OK, call it Sunday morning, let's read it...

Joh 20:1 Now the first day of the week Mary Magdalene went to the tomb early, while it was still dark

so it was some 11-12 hours after sabbath had ended. the Hebrew day starts and ends at sundown, not midnight like us pagan Gentiles measure days by, and not at sunrise. God's days begin in darkness and complete in light.

 

[posthuman]

So, anyway, count 3 days and 3 nights from Friday sunset to Sunday morning. Show me how to get 72 hours in there.

its impossible to have a friday crucifixion and then a sunday resurrection, much less a friday crucifixion and a saturday resurrection. you can't fit 3 days in 1 day much less cram 3 days into a half a day.

He was crucified on pagan wednesday, entombed just before that night which is the beginning of the Hebrew 5th day of week. so 5th night and day, 6th night and day, 7th night and day in Hebrew time. rose on the 8th = 1st day, in the beginning of it, while it was dark.
in our common pagan time:
wed. night/thurs. day
thurs. night/fri. day
fri. night/sat. day

risen sometime between dusk and dawn sat. night/sun. morning pagan time
risen between dusk and dawn the 8th day/1st day Hebrew time.

sabbath ended as soon as the sun went down.
His rising on Firstfruits at midnight is consistent with the timing of the arrival of the Groom in the parable of the 10 virgins; that's what i personally believe. midnight on the 8th day. definitely not sabbath. absolutely impossible. absolutely impossible to have a friday crucifixion; He laid down His life the day and very hour that the second lamb ((for the diaspora)) was slain in the temple, on second Passover ((for the diaspora)). that was pagan wednesday, Hebrew 5th day of week.

 

[posthuman]

What translation do you recommend, the NIV, NASB, ESV, all supported by the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) created by Adulterers Kurt and Barbara Aland, and homosexual union supporter, Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal (Carlo Maria Martini)?

i recommend that we all learn to read the scripture in the languages it was actually written instead of this corrupted speech of our native tongue.

not that i can, but that's what i recommend if you really want a recommendation. tho i scarcely believe you actually want advice on this matter; my better judgement tells me you're just mocking. however if we want to be serious about study i'd say we need to stop relying on translation and learn the languages God chose to give His word in

maybe one day... but like an idiot i went and learned Spanish instead and now i'm trying to pick up some German. what a fool i am!

 

[Truth7t7]

so it was some 11-12 hours after sabbath had ended. the Hebrew day starts and ends at sundown, not midnight like us pagan Gentiles measure days by, and not at sunrise. God's days begin in darkness and complete in light.

I believe the word "Dawn" is to "Draw On" or start,

Example: We are at the "Dawn" of a new discovery

 

[posthuman]

I believe the word "Dawn" is to "Draw On" or start,

Example: We are at the "Dawn" of a new discovery

see this is why it would be wise for us to learn Greek, instead of making up our own private definitions of our pagan tongue corrupted at the tower of Babel, manipulating them to fit our cherished human traditions and private interpretations.
it doesn't matter what you think. it doesn't matter what i think. what matters is the truth, that God gave us.

Strongs 2020: epiphóskó: to let shine, i.e. to dawn

"let shine" -- that doesn't mean they came at sundown at the end of the sabbath. it means they came just as the sun was rising on the day after the sabbath ((which had begun 12 hours earlier)). again, compare Mark 16:1. the gospel of Mark is not contradicting the gospel of Matthew and the pagan English is a lot more clear to our dull ears. CHRIST DID NOT RISE ON A SABBATH DAY. He rose on Firstfruits, which is always an 8th day, never a sabbath.

 

[Truth7t7]

see this is why it would be wise for us to learn Greek, instead of making up our own private definitions of our pagan tongue corrupted at the tower of Babel, manipulating them to fit our cherished human traditions and private interpretations.
it doesn't matter what you think. it doesn't matter what i think. what matters is the truth, that God gave us.

Strongs 2020: epiphóskó: to let shine, i.e. to dawn

"let shine" -- that doesn't mean they came at sundown at the end of the sabbath. it means they came just as the sun was rising on the day after the sabbath ((which had begun 12 hours earlier)). again, compare Mark 16:1. the gospel of Mark is not contradicting the gospel of Matthew and the pagan English is a lot more clear to our dull ears. CHRIST DID NOT RISE ON A SABBATH DAY. He rose on Firstfruits, which is always an 8th day, never a sabbath.

Matthew 28:1 clearly states "In The End Of The Sabbath"

Matthew 28:1KJV
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 

[posthuman]

Matthew 28:1 clearly states "In The End Of The Sabbath"

Matthew 28:1KJV
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Previously covered.

 

[rstrats]

posthuman,

Since scripture never refers to it as such, is there any particular reason for your continuing use of the "8th day" when referring to the 1st day of the week?

 

[Evmur]

Being indwelt by God's holy spirit we're always in relationship with the most high.
The argument that really doesn't comport with scripture is that which condemns observation of the Sabbath, while the one making that argument knows themselves to be one who goes to church on Sunday. That's observing what is the spirit of the Sabbath on a day the Lord did not identify as the day of rest.

There is that argument that repeatedly argues, we are not under the law. And yet, if that is believed they would then be arguing they don't abide nor respect the ten moral commands, or laws of God, that Jesus did not abolish at all. The law and the prophets , he said, hang on two commandments. Love the Lord your God with all your heart. And love your neighbor as you love yourself.
The ten commandments encompass that very thing. Are we to disavow those? Thou shalt not steal. Murder. Take the Lord's name in vain. Etc...

Up to the Book of Revelation we read that the Sabbath, this well after Jesus returned to the father, was observed and by the Apostle John on the isle of Patmos.
How is it argued to be something wrong, that we observe God's Sabbath on the day he designed for us to? We Gentiles, or Christians, are grafted into the olive tree an are nourished by its root. Ezekiel 37 & Romans 11.

And how does someone condemn resting on the Bible's Sabbath day, per those scriptures, and worship God in church on a Sunday? Thinking that much better and more in keeping with God's will?
They can't.

The question is not keeping the sabbath or any of the laws of Moses, the question is to what purpose are you keeping them? to be saved? to somehow maintain your saved status? will you not soon be laying it down for others as necessary to salvation or sanctification?

Paul shows the strong christian as opposed to the weak believer. The one who counts all days unto the Lord equal for the purpose of worship and the weak believer who only observes one day as special to the Lord.

John did not receive the Revelation on Sunday

He was in the Spirit on the Lord's day ... or the day of the Lord

 

[JaumeJ]

posthuman,

Since scripture never refers to it as such, is there any particular reason for your continuing use of the "8th day" when referring to the 1st day of the week?

Our Authority on the week, the days of it, and what was done, and is being done, was given by the One Who created them.

 

[posthuman]

posthuman,

Since scripture never refers to it as such, is there any particular reason for your continuing use of the "8th day" when referring to the 1st day of the week?

because it is what the church for a thousand years called it, and it has much to do with scripture in its meaning:

the 8th day of the Paschal feast
the 8th day after being born is the day of circumcision
the 8th day after birth is the day the firstborn is given to the LORD
the 8th day after beginning the process of sanctification is when a priest is able to begin his duties
the 8th day of the rite is the day a healed leper is declared clean
the 8th day of a man or woman being purified is the day they are declared clean

and on and on -- search Torah for "eighth day" and you will find quite a lot!

in the law it is the day of being made clean, of being dedicated, of being sanctified -- and the last day, bringing an end to times that were ordained, like the feast of Tabernacles: 8 days, with an holy beginning and an holy ending.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

What does it mean for us today, to keep the Sabbath holy? It is still a commandment.....

GOD IS a SPIRIT and those who worship HIM MUST worship HIM In Spirit and TRUTH.
So then keeping the Sabbath should be done spiritually not physically.
A person might feel like today Is Saturday and I'm going to rest and they might lay down and toss and turn and worry about something, but TRUE rest would be laying down regardless of world stresses knowing that GOD IS Almighty and HE knows your every fault and still loves you and so you rest.