Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

[OrphanedRepublican]

Evmur.....In John 16:8, Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit:..........
“When [the Spirit] comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment”.

In this verse, we see a three-fold ministry the Spirit will perform in relation to the unsaved world. He will “convict” the world; that is, He will reprove it or show it to be wrong. This reproof will target three areas in which the world needs admonishing: sin, righteousness, and judgment.

As alwasys.....thank you for your post so as to allow me to help your Bible understanding.

This explains what I experienced when I began to study the bible years ago. First I was intrigued, then I feared because I understood how much trouble I was in.

Then I put it away. I put the bible away for a decade.

But, I'd also like to also add what you said also explains the great (I call it the "Old Testament Pentecost") in Nehemiah. All the people gathered, Ezra read from the book of God's law from morning to midday (which by the way, very little of that in churches today) and the people understood and then wept and mourned. They had to be comforted. After that, they celebrated joyfully. (Nehemiah Chapter 8.)

It is exactly the "process" you described.

 

[Mem]

No presuming, God does not call women to the Church pulpit, its contrary to his words below

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

What's it to me if your presume all you like?

 

[Major]

This explains what I experienced when I began to study the bible years ago. First I was intrigued, then I feared because I understood how much trouble I was in.

Then I put it away. I put the bible away for a decade.

But, I'd also like to also add what you said also explains the great (I call it the "Old Testament Pentecost") in Nehemiah. All the people gathered, Ezra read from the book of God's law from morning to midday (which by the way, very little of that in churches today) and the people understood and then wept and mourned. They had to be comforted. After that, they celebrated joyfully. (Nehemiah Chapter 8.)

It is exactly the "process" you described.

And on top of that reflection in Nehemiah, when you read all of it notice that when the Law was read, ALL the people STOOP UP ALL DAY LONG!

That was the kind of "respect/fear" of God that was inspired by the Word of God then.

Today, I am afraid that the western world has no idea what the "Fear of the Lord" means!

 

[mustaphadrink]

Pardon me but the church does not appoint it's leadership in accordance with Timothy, by and large, perhaps the sect known as the Brethren do. So you all are arguing from a false platform. You are still following the RCC pattern of leadership. The priest has become pastor. some other functionary is the district supervisor or bishop and the General secretary is Pope. The present leadership is dysfunctional.

That in large measure is what is wrong with the church. Pastors are parachuted in from bible college.

You are objecting to being led by women but don't mind that you are led by men who cannot show that they were called to leadership.

You seem to specialise in claiming that which is not there. Not once and I emphasise this, not once have I said that the present day church appoints its leadership in accordance to Timothy.

That means I am not argueing from a false platform.

I am not following any pattern of leadership except that which is shown in scripture as I have made very clear in my commnets in other threads and this one.

I have stated many times that I do not accept the leadership of men not called by God. I have written about this topic more than once.

So, if you don't have anything to say that is factual, leave me out of your conversation.

 

[mustaphadrink]

Not being funny but anyone who reads basic scripture knows the bible states the man is head of his house hold. No phd required. (Jesus had no phd for the record, nor did the fishermen he chose to change the world). The pharasees studied long and hard, anf knew nothing when it came to what Christ was teaching.

You neglected to cover the situation for the household that has no man. But that is by the by as they say.

Also - you can find plenty if not an equal amount of books by authors disagreeing with those you have read. You can also find books that tell you you can live off fresh air and nothing else. What is your point? Because someone wrote it in a book it must be true? Hardly a good basis for being so dogmatic.

I find so much lacking in the way people deal with this topic it really is quite depressing.

It’s a waste of time “discussing” it. As we all think we are right - despite none of us having all knowledge and understanding on this or any matter.

It appears that you think others who disagree with you - and the “60 authors who can’t be wrong” - must be uneducated, unspiritual and/ or intellectually deficient. Not sure that is the best way to think of others who know the Lord, but you must feel entitled to that opinion, and that it is warranted.

So, I won’t waste anymore of your or my time engaging in this topic with you.

Thank you for your dismissal of what I have studied over the years. It does sound as though you have superior knowledge to me even though I have four degrees and produced a paper for a Ph.D. I must go talk to my alma mater and let them know what they teach is all wrong because Tararose said so.

So lets corecct a few of your mistakes.

1. I never said you needed a Ph.D. to know that man is the head of his household in scripture.
2. The fact that some households had no man is irrelevant as there exceptions to every rule but they don't make the rules.
3. I am not foolish enough to ignore the teaching of men who know a lot more than I do.
4. I never broached the subject of living of fresh air.
5. What is your point? Because someone wrote it in a book it can't be true?
6. I found 60 authors that agreed with each other. That is known as the weight of evidence.
7. Ignoring other scholars of repute is hardly a good basis for being dogmatic.
8. You are a good example of people lacking in knowledge when discussing this topic.
9. I never mentioned anyone who disagreed with me.
10. Yes it would be a good idea not to waste my time with red herrings.

 

[mustaphadrink]

I am absolutly sure you are a well educated person and able to read and function well.

I am just a country boy from the great Promised Land and I did not need a dr. degree or a phd shingel on my door.

I simply read what GOD SAID....and I believed it and I did not have to read anyone elses opinion.

GOD SAID in 1 Timothy 3:1-2..........
"This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach".

How in the world can that be so hard to read and grasp????????

I have no idea what you are getting at?

 

[Truth7t7]

so ya think Pheobe was the husband of one wife

Why do you openly rebel against the clear words of God below

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Evmur]

Why do you openly rebel against the clear words of God below

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Why do you rebel against Paul's doctrine that women may preach and pray?

 

[Evmur]

You seem to specialise in claiming that which is not there. Not once and I emphasise this, not once have I said that the present day church appoints its leadership in accordance to Timothy.

That means I am not argueing from a false platform.

I am not following any pattern of leadership except that which is shown in scripture as I have made very clear in my commnets in other threads and this one.

I have stated many times that I do not accept the leadership of men not called by God. I have written about this topic more than once.

So, if you don't have anything to say that is factual, leave me out of your conversation.

Yes but if you point at fellowships that do appoint women to leadership positions against what you believe the word of God those fellowships are entitled to point back and say but you yourselves do not make appointments to leadership according to God's word.

 

[Truth7t7]

Why do you rebel against Paul's doctrine that women may preach and pray?

Direct Question:
.
Do you believe women are biblically allowed to preach from the pulpit, in the general assembly of the church?

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Evmur]

Some were admiring Paul, some were admiring Apollos, and some were admiring Cephas, or Peter. Paul tries to reassure the people in Corinth that they should only follow Christ. The answer is NO then as well as NO now.

If you actually think that the church was the Roman Catholic Church then you have a lot...a lot to learn my friend.

The Roman Catholic Church controlled religion, philosophy, morals, politics, art and education. This was the dark ages for true Christianity. The vital doctrines of Biblical Christianity had almost disappeared, and with the neglect of true doctrine came the passing of life and light that constitutes the worship of the One True God as declared in Christ.

I quoted the RCC as an example to show that unity of doctrines and creed, and nobody faults the Nicene creed, but that doesn't make it a true church.

There was only the RCC so the true church was there within a false structure led by men and not by God ... that is my charge against the Southern Baptist Church ... not that it is not the true church but that it's structures are not according to the bible, that it is led by men and not by God.

When you go preaching against this and preaching against that and make a creed out of it you are preaching the law and not the grace of God. This is the result of man-think.

 

[Evmur]

Evmur.....In John 16:8, Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit:..........
“When [the Spirit] comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment”.

In this verse, we see a three-fold ministry the Spirit will perform in relation to the unsaved world. He will “convict” the world; that is, He will reprove it or show it to be wrong. This reproof will target three areas in which the world needs admonishing: sin, righteousness, and judgment.

As alwasys.....thank you for your post so as to allow me to help your Bible understanding.

You quote it yourself HE will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgement. He does not send US to convict or to condemn anybody, He sends us to announce the GOOD NEWS.

 

[Evmur]

Direct Question:
.
Do you believe women are biblically allowed to preach from the pulpit, in the general assembly of the church?

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

I'd like to see you try telling Phillip's 4 daughters to shut up run you out on a rail boy

 

[Truth7t7]

I'd like to see you try telling Phillip's 4 daughters to shut up run you out on a rail boy

Direct Question:
.
Do you believe women are biblically allowed to preach from the pulpit, in the general assembly of the church?

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Evmur]

Direct Question:
.
Do you believe women are biblically allowed to preach from the pulpit, in the general assembly of the church?

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Direct question

Do you believe women may preach and pray? [this is incredibly boring]

 

[Truth7t7]

Direct question

Do you believe women may preach and pray? [this is incredibly boring]

Direct Question:
.
Do you believe women are biblically allowed to preach from the pulpit, in the general assembly of the church?

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

 

[Scarlett7297]

Mary shared the gospel after Jesus's resurrection first , isn't it? Can we respect woman preachers, atleast allow them to preach among women ? So that u don't misunderstand them to be seducers? Huh?

 

[Evmur]

Mary shared the gospel after Jesus's resurrection first , isn't it? Can we respect woman preachers, atleast allow them to preach among women ? So that u don't misunderstand them to be seducers? Huh?

she also prophesied that Jesus would meet the disciples at Galilee ...

 

[Scarlett7297]

Direct Question:
.
Do you believe women are biblically allowed to preach from the pulpit, in the general assembly of the church?

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

If you carefully read verse 12 , it is written , over 'the' man not over 'a' man. And then the next verse saying for Adam was formed first then Eve. The relationship between Adam and Eve was that of a husband and wife , to remind you. And therefore, i believe the authority stated here is that of one between a husband and a wife.

 

[Truth7t7]

Mary shared the gospel after Jesus's resurrection first , isn't it? Can we respect woman preachers, atleast allow them to preach among women ? So that u don't misunderstand them to be seducers? Huh?

The topic and question isn't concerned with women preaching among women, it's a womans role inside the general assembly of the Church

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.