Today’s church’s misunderstandings

[Mem]

No part of Sunday can be considered the hebrew seventh day, the sabbath, because it begins on friday evening and ends at sundown on saturday, and saturday has (approxiamately) 6 more hours to count (in the hebrew 1st day) to midnight (when Sunday begins) on the roman calendar day.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sometimes I Say or think I was born on Friday the 13th (bad luck) my mom always let me know. If I was born on friday (one hour later), my BIRTH DAY would be on the 14th not the 13th.

 

[Magenta]

In the gospels, Luke refers to 'the women while Mark specifies Mary M, James mother Mary, and Salome, and John recounts the event according to Mary M, but all agree they 'found' the stone rolled away. I can't imagine anyone would let an open tomb supposedly newly occupied after instruction to be seal go unreported for too long, especially if guards are posted after its sealing. However, Matthew 28; recounts Mary M and 'the other' Mary having witnessed the rolling away of the stone with the guards thereafter fainting before (waking up, i assume, and) going to report the event... With that said, Sunday's dawn, 6a.m.ish is not considered part of any Sabbath day... unless it happens to coincide with a high holy day or it has since been ordained because of that particular occurrence.

I have not said Saturday was Sunday. I repeatedly say late Sabbath, before Sunday's dawn, sometime before the women arrive a dawn.

The fact that the women arrive while it is still dark eliminates a Sunday resurrection.

 

[Mem]

My belief is that Jesus rose before Sunday's dawn

Which place the resurrection at (near/toward) the end of the Sabbath day

The women going to the tomb at dawn on Sunday and finding it empty means Jesus had already risen.

Okay, my misunderstanding enters in that sometime before Sunday's dawn includes all the hours within Saturday night, whereas the 'near/toward the end of Sabbath day excludes them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have not said Saturday was Sunday. I repeatedly say late Sabbath, before Sunday's dawn, sometime before the women arrive a dawn.

The fact that the women arrive while it is still dark eliminates a Sunday resurrection.

Sunday started at sunset on Saturday night.

So if Jesus rose shortly before the ladies arrived it would be Sunday.

I think this is where the confusion lies.

 

[posthuman]

The Jewish daytime hours began with dawn and ended with sundown.

Since it was dawn of the day following the Sabbath when the women went to the tomb
and found it vacated, it seems more likely to me that Jesus did rise on the Sabbath.

Genesis refers both to a 24 hour period as a day ((there was evening and there was morning, etc)) and also the daylight portion only ((the light He called 'day'))

But the Hebrew 'day' begins with darkness and ends in light, sundown to sundown. So sabbath ended as soon as the sun set; Jesus rose sometime during the night *after* the 7th day, which means He rose in the darkness of the 8th/1st day, Firstfruits, 'Sunday' according to our calendar if it was after midnight. I think midnight actually makes the most sense - that's the time the Groom appeared in the parable of the 10 virgins

 

[Blik]

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that's true... however, if we could search out the time frame for a day where the weekly sabbath was exactly three nights and three days count from a one particular passover, as it is always observed on nisan 15... we might more readily settle this dilemna

When Paul addressed things like the discussions about the day to worship as in Romans 14, Paul said not to judge another about a certain day, but be convinced in our own mind and not judge others.

I think that if we look at it as the Lord does, it is only important that we accept the words of the Lord.

 

[Dino246]

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When Paul addressed things like the discussions about the day to worship as in Romans 14, Paul said not to judge another about a certain day, but be convinced in our own mind and not judge others.

I think that if we look at it as the Lord does, it is only important that we accept the words of the Lord.

Yet you create one thread after another trying to justify your belief that Christians should observe the Sabbath (or the Law, or whatever). If you are convinced, fine. However, knowing that most Christians here disagree with you, you would do well to keep it to yourself rather than constantly bringing it up for discussion. Instead, you invite the criticism you receive.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Meh,
I go to church on the eighth Day.

 

[Mem]

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When Paul addressed things like the discussions about the day to worship as in Romans 14, Paul said not to judge another about a certain day, but be convinced in our own mind and not judge others.

I think that if we look at it as the Lord does, it is only important that we accept the words of the Lord.

There are no bad days, only days of learning, and the hebrew terms for learning (devotion, ie to books) and worship (devotion to god) are closely related. After all, torah translates 'teaching.' So any day we spend in devotion learning of God as, in finding Him, we find our rest, and our sabbath, in the sense of a day set apart for special purpose. That is unless we try to characterize Him as an inelastic entity somewhere beyond our reach of universe rather than ever present, even in our worst days.

 

[Mem]

And, sorry but, I didn't read the op. I just follow Dino around to read his agitation and found a nice spot to jump in.

 

[Dino246]

And, sorry but, I didn't read the op. I just follow Dino around to read his agitation and found a nice spot to jump in.

Agitation? That's what happens to laundry in the washing machine.

 

[Mem]

Agitation? That's what happens to laundry in the washing machine.

Ah soo, ty! I love learning!

 

[Blik]

This is what I believe: "I hate your New Moons and your appointed feasts. They have become a burden to Me; I am weary of bearing them." Isaiah 1:14

Colossians 2:16 & 17Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ

I don't think you are interpreting Isaiah correctly, and I think understanding what it tells us is so very important. The Lord was speaking to the Hebrews who were copying the way the pagans worshipped and Isaiah told them it was wrong to do that. God had given them the shadow of Christ and the shadow of that blood was for the atonement of sin, they were using it as the pagans did, to feed God. Blood as food for God and not for atonement of sin was detestable to God. They were worshipping the seasons as in the pagan celebration of spring, and God had blessed certain days for the kingdom. Using special days in a pagan way instead of how God asked them to was wrong.

Isaiah is not to be read as if God was saying not to believe the scripture that was of God, breathed by Him. Scripture is truth.. Sometimes God improves what His commands were, making a new command better but God does not ever, at any time say, oh, I made a mistake giving a command or truth.

 

[Blik]

Yet you create one thread after another trying to justify your belief that Christians should observe the Sabbath (or the Law, or whatever). If you are convinced, fine. However, knowing that most Christians here disagree with you, you would do well to keep it to yourself rather than constantly bringing it up for discussion. Instead, you invite the criticism you receive.

Again, you twist. I post often saying that we should believe scripture and scripture tells us that God created the Sabbath on the last day of the week, you are twisting it to say I am posting when people should go to church.

 

[Magenta]

Again, you twist. I post often saying that we should believe scripture and scripture tells us that God created the Sabbath on the last day of the week, you are twisting it to say I am posting when people should go to church.

I do not see anything in Dino's post which you quoted, about "when people should go to church."

 

[Dino246]

Again, you twist. I post often saying that we should believe scripture and scripture tells us that God created the Sabbath on the last day of the week, you are twisting it to say I am posting when people should go to church.

You think others are twisting your words, but it is you who consistently twists the words of others. It's unfortunate that you are blind to your own bad habit.

 

[Blik]

You think others are twisting your words, but it is you who consistently twists the words of others. It's unfortunate that you are blind to your own bad habit.

For goodness sakes why don't you just say you are my enemy and want to fight and be done with it? If you wanted to discuss scripture rather than pick fights you would point to scripture, you don't. You point to personal fighting.

I give scripture, you oppose any scripture I give. This should be used as a Christian site to discuss scripture, you make a travesty of it.

 

[Dino246]

For goodness sakes why don't you just say you are my enemy and want to fight and be done with it?

Because I'm not, and I don't.

If you wanted to discuss scripture rather than pick fights you would point to scripture, you don't. You point to personal fighting.

I have no qualms about disagreeing with unscriptural assertions. I give Scripture as well, when appropriate to do so.

I give scripture, you oppose any scripture I give. This should be used as a Christian site to discuss scripture, you make a travesty of it.

I oppose your misinterpretations of Scripture, and your misinterpretations of my words and those of others. This is a Christian site, and so it is appropriate to challenge assertions that are inconsistent with Scripture and Christian truth.

I have challenged you many times to back up your assertions with actual Scripture or quotations, as appropriate. Consistently, you don't. So, I reject your assertions.

 

[Blik]

Because I'm not, and I don't.


I have no qualms about disagreeing with unscriptural assertions. I give Scripture as well, when appropriate to do so.


I oppose your misinterpretations of Scripture, and your misinterpretations of my words and those of others. This is a Christian site, and so it is appropriate to challenge assertions that are inconsistent with Scripture and Christian truth.

I have challenged you many times to back up your assertions with actual Scripture or quotations, as appropriate. Consistently, you don't. So, I reject your assertions.

And when you misinterpret scripture, I say so. You actually are not thinking it through so you simply state you are right and I am wrong based on your supposed superiority.

It would be so nice if you were able to speak of scripture instead of your personal attacks, I wish you would at least try.

I think that if you could comprehend that scripture is from the Lord telling of Himself rather than a personal dialogue that God has with Hebrews and not for gentiles that we could be able to at least discuss scripture.