Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

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Evmur said:
What is important to me is that the church is led by Spirit filled folks and not by folks who apply only human logic.
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You defy the very clear words of God below, why?

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
You defy the very clear teaching of Gods words below.
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Yawn.

Mindless repetition of verses with no consideration of sound reasoning does not impress me and will do nothing to change my mind. I’ve done my homework; clearly you have not.

Further, given that you are stubbornly unteachable on the most basic of issues, your input on important things is not worth considering. You have dug your own hole. Deal with it.
 
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Dino246 said:
Yawn.

Mindless repetition of verses with no consideration of sound reasoning does not impress me and will do nothing to change my mind. I’ve done my homework; clearly you have not.

Further, given that you are stubbornly unteachable on the most basic of issues, your input on important things is not worth considering. You have dug your own hole. Deal with it.
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Your A Liberal, Sound Reasoning? :giggle:

You defy the very clear words of God below, why?

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
You defy the very clear words of God below, why?

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
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The same is for the man that standard doesn't just apply to the women the man to is to be under subjection and obediant to God and the women he married

Did not Paul say that the man's body doesn't long to him but to his wife? Does not the man suppose to love His wife as Christ loved the church and gave himself for it? Do you want willful submission out of love to God and for the husband or you to want subjection I guess the woman is to kiss your feet and " my lord " in the morning? lol.

I have been married 29 years and I can tell you that application don't work LOL. I have been married once, and silence, subjection is not the foundation on which to build your marriage on. If you are even married only once.
 
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CS1 said:
The same is for the man that standard doesn't just apply to the women the man to is to be under subjection and obediant to God and the women he married

Did not Paul say that the man's body doesn't long to him but to his wife? Does not the man suppose to love His wife as Christ loved the church and gave himself for it? Do you want willful submission out of love to God and for the husband or you to want subjection I guess the woman is to kiss your feet and " my lord " in the morning? lol.

I have been married 29 years and I can tell you that application don't work LOL. I have been married once, and silence, subjection is not the foundation on which to build your marriage on. If you are even married only once.
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It is a shame for women to speak in the Church, it isn't a shame for men to speak in the Church, Bishop/Pastor

Will you now rebel against the very clear words of God below?

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 
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And as it has been, as it was from the beginning, what God has really said is the issue, with the only difference now being that we are left to judge for ourselves (or are we?)... although we should be caution, this time, not to judge, as was then, by how (the tree) looks...
 
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Mem said:
And as it has been, as it was from the beginning, what God has really said is the issue, with the only difference now being that we are left to judge for ourselves (or are we?)... although we should be caution, this time, not to judge, as was then, by how (the tree) looks...
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Gods words are the final authority as seen below.

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Gods words are the final authority as seen below.

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
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As in the beginning, the translation of what God said is where the problem laid itself down therein.
 
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Mem said:
As in the beginning, the translation of what God said is where the problem laid itself down therein.
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And once again, Gods words before your eyes below, are the final authority regarding the topic.

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
And once again, Gods words before your eyes below, are the final authority regarding the topic.

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
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Are you this insufferable in real life?
 
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Eve had the choice of listening to the voice of God or the serpent, Adam had the choice of listening to the voice of God or any woman... its looks like a logical progression...
 
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Truth7t7 said:
It is a shame for women to speak in the Church, it isn't a shame for men to speak in the Church, Bishop/Pastor

Will you now rebel against the very clear words of God below?

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
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first off you don't know me and you don't what a rebel is. You go ahead and continue to push how women are to be subjective and obedient and leave out at the same time Christ said to love your wife as He loved the church and gave Himself for her.

This is why so many of those who only say the part that makes women subjective and obedient don't know how to love the wife so she is submissive and obedient because she Loves YOU willfully

when you can do that women will not talk, women will be submissive and obedient.


I have a great wife and a successful marriage if that is a rebel so be it.
 
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Mem said:
Eve had the choice of listening to the voice of God or the serpent, Adam had the choice of listening to the voice of God or any woman... its looks like a logical progression...
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What SCRIPTURE tells us that Eve had a choice between listening to the voice of God or the serpent?

What SCRIPTURE tells us that God spoke directly to Eve?
 
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CS1 said:
first off you don't know me and you don't what a rebel is. You go ahead and continue to push how women are to be subjective and obedient and leave out at the same time Christ said to love your wife as He loved the church and gave Himself for her.

This is why so many of those who only say the part that makes women subjective and obedient don't know how to love the wife so she is submissive and obedient because she Loves YOU willfully

when you can do that women will not talk, women will be submissive and obedient.


I have a great wife and a successful marriage if that is a rebel so be it.
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God's words below arent about who CS1 is, I'm not pushing a woman to be obedient in the Church, Gods words command it, you have opposed Gods words below throughout the thread.

Gods command below for women, have absolutely nothing to do with a marriage or treatment of a wife, its gender driven, women are to remain silent in the Church, it's that simple

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 
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proverbs35 said:
What SCRIPTURE tells us that Eve had a choice between listening to the voice of God or the serpent?

What SCRIPTURE tells us that God spoke directly to Eve?
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What would make anyone assume that God would never speak to Eve until after she sinned?
 
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Truth7t7 said:
God's words below arent about who CS1 is, I'm not pushing a woman to be obedient in the Church, Gods words command it, you have opposed Gods words below throughout the thread.

Gods command below for women, have absolutely nothing to do with a marriage or treatment of a wife, its gender driven, women are to remain silent in the Church, it's that simple

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
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do what the word of God says try LOVING your wife as Christ Loves the church That is not CS1's words those are Bible
 
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Truth7t7 said:
God's words below arent about who CS1 is, I'm not pushing a woman to be obedient in the Church, Gods words command it, you have opposed Gods words below throughout the thread.

Gods command below for women, have absolutely nothing to do with a marriage or treatment of a wife, its gender driven, women are to remain silent in the Church, it's that simple

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
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wrong the subjection is not to the church or pastor it is her husband.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
God's words below arent about who CS1 is, I'm not pushing a woman to be obedient in the Church, Gods words command it, you have opposed Gods words below throughout the thread.

Gods command below for women, have absolutely nothing to do with a marriage or treatment of a wife, its gender driven, women are to remain silent in the Church, it's that simple

Gods Words Are Very Clear On A Womans Role In The Church, And They Aren't Changing Anytime Soon.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

(It Is A Shame For Women To Speak In The Church)

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
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I have not opposed the word of God I have disagreed with your understanding of the word of God which is NOT OPPOSING the word of God just because you are not agreed with it. That lie will not work here guy.

I addressed the fact you did not in the post speak of men loving their wife as Christ loved the church. Yet in you failed to attempt to attack me you still don't know how God desires to have order discipline and women to be fulfilled in a life with Christ and in marriage.

Are you a pastor? If not you too are held to the same standard Biblically.
 
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Mem said:
What would make anyone assume that God would never speak to Eve until after she sinned?
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The Bible isn't based on my assumptions or anyone else's assumptions. The Bible consists of God breathed scripture. You said that Eve had a choice of listening to the voice of God. What SCRIPTURE tells us that?

Anyone can assume anything at anytime. That is why cults and false doctrines proliferate.
 
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