50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord
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Yes of course that's true, The span of time is precisely 173,880 days.
What I'm saying is the starting and end dates as interpreted to our present day Gregorian calendar, including leap years etc etc. may be slightly shifted one way or the other, including the estimate of the precise date of the command of Artaxerxes Longimanus.
What I'm saying is the starting and end dates as interpreted to our present day Gregorian calendar, including leap years etc etc. may be slightly shifted one way or the other, including the estimate of the precise date of the command of Artaxerxes Longimanus.
The future generation that will be (Eyewitnesses) to the events, and witness (The Future Second Coming)
Verse 33, know that it's near, even at the doors, (The Future Second Coming)
Verse 36, But of that day and hour no man, angel knows (The Future Second Coming)
Matthew 24:33-36KJV
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Verse 33, know that it's near, even at the doors, (The Future Second Coming)
Verse 36, But of that day and hour no man, angel knows (The Future Second Coming)
Matthew 24:33-36KJV
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
JESUS would disagree with you totally!
John 10:14-16 (ESV)
14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me,
15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And I have other sheep {That is N.T. Assembly} that are not of this fold. {Last of the O.T. Assembly}
I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. {At the RAPTURE.}
Matthew 16:18 (YLT)
18 `And I also say to thee, that thou art a rock, and upon this rock I will build my assembly,
and gates of Hades shall not prevail against it;
O.T. Assembly = those who believed GOD would send the Messiah to pay for their SINS.
N.T. Assembly = those who believed GOD did send the Messiah to pay for our Sins.
That is what it means to have the FAITH OF ABRAHAM.
I don't think we disagree, pre - wrath but post - trib.
I believe more folk will be martyred than raptured making up that great multitude. something very martyrish about them.
Paul said "... then we who are alive and remain .... will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the clouds" that "and remain" stands out to me.
I believe more folk will be martyred than raptured making up that great multitude. something very martyrish about them.
Paul said "... then we who are alive and remain .... will be caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the clouds" that "and remain" stands out to me.
You Disregard The (Two Witnesses) And The Sealed Churches Protection, Why? 
There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)
The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected
The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees
All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30
Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal, The Sealed Church Is Protected
Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt
Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)
The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected
The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees
All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30
Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal, The Sealed Church Is Protected
Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt
Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
You Disregard The (Two Witnesses) And The Sealed Churches Protection, Why?
There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)
The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected
The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees
All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30
Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal, The Sealed Church Is Protected
Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt
Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
There's Going To Be An End Times Persecution, The Beast And His Kingdom Are The Target Of God's Empowered (Two Witnesses)
The Great Tribulation Will Come Upon The Wicked World, While The (Sealed Church) Is Protected
The (Sealed Church) will be present on earth and protected, when wicked men are tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees
All saved believers are (Sealed) by God, Eph 1:13, 4:30
Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30KJV
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
It Was Commanded, Only Those Without God's Seal, The Sealed Church Is Protected
Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
Plagues upon The Beast and his Kingdom, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt
Revelation 11:3-6
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
The seal in Ephesians is not the seal spoken of in the revelation.
You mix up tribulation which comes from the world and God's wrath. Stop doing that.
Right! It is not the church that is sealed in Revelation! Everyone should know that.
There is the everyday "tribulation" of the church age, and since the church age has been ongoing for 2000 years, God called it "mega" (GR) or great tribulation that the great crowd came out of before any part of the 70th week.
Then there will be the "tribulation" that people call "the 70th week. Just a title: "the tribulation."
God's wrath will be poured out all during the 70th week: the trumpet and vial judgments.
Satan's wrath will come as soon as he is cast down. The days of GT Jesus spoke of will come from Satan's wrath felt through the forced worship of the image and mark. God will cause the vials of His wrath to be poured out to shorten those days of GT. After the first 5 vials, the world will be hiding in the dark, in great pain, and no one will be intent on murdering anyone else. How long the darkness will last is anyone's guess - I guess at least until Jesus comes to Armageddon.
There is the everyday "tribulation" of the church age, and since the church age has been ongoing for 2000 years, God called it "mega" (GR) or great tribulation that the great crowd came out of before any part of the 70th week.
Then there will be the "tribulation" that people call "the 70th week. Just a title: "the tribulation."
God's wrath will be poured out all during the 70th week: the trumpet and vial judgments.
Satan's wrath will come as soon as he is cast down. The days of GT Jesus spoke of will come from Satan's wrath felt through the forced worship of the image and mark. God will cause the vials of His wrath to be poured out to shorten those days of GT. After the first 5 vials, the world will be hiding in the dark, in great pain, and no one will be intent on murdering anyone else. How long the darkness will last is anyone's guess - I guess at least until Jesus comes to Armageddon.
You still don't have it according to the written text. The Day of His wrath starts first, then the 70th week, causing the ENTIRE WEEK to be the wrath of God. That means every trumpet judgment and every bowl judgment will come with the wrath of God.
During the last half of the week, Satan's wrath (causing the days of GT) is added to the mix.
Oh, people CALL the 70th week, "the tribulation." It is only a title. But certainly tribulation or great pressure will be put on people during the entire week, but much more in the last half.
YOu don't think the wrath of God is going to cause great pressure upon people? How about nothing fit to drink except in stores where you can't buy without the mark?
During the last half of the week, Satan's wrath (causing the days of GT) is added to the mix.
Oh, people CALL the 70th week, "the tribulation." It is only a title. But certainly tribulation or great pressure will be put on people during the entire week, but much more in the last half.
YOu don't think the wrath of God is going to cause great pressure upon people? How about nothing fit to drink except in stores where you can't buy without the mark?
Ah! So you are a prewrather! Yes, we most certainly disagree. Prewrath theory causes a complete rearranging of Revelation to fit, so is automatically proven wrong. ANY theory that must rearrange Revelation to fit will be proven wrong.
Where you have missed it: you don't know where "great tribulation" (the days Jesus talked about) are found in Revelation. You don't know where the 70th week starts. You have to move the 6th seal to chapter 19. The list goes on and on. "prewrath" theory is the worst of the worst, Started by Van Kampen and Rosenthal because they did not distinguish between the cosmic signs that come before the week and the signs "after the tribulation of those days." These are two different signs that come over 7 years apart, and are signs for different things.
That great multitude is BEFORE any part of the 70th week. They could NOT have come from the days of GT Jesus spoke of. If you know anything about Revelation, the days of GT Jesus spoke of will be caused by the wrath of Satan working through the Beast and False prophet - and they don't even rise to power until chapter 13. They don't get the mark and image created until late in chapter 14.
You have often said we have to distinguish between wrath and tribulation. The truth is, we have to distinguish between "great tribulation" (GT) before the week, speaking of the daily tribulation over the long church age, and then the days of GT Jesus spoke of that would be worse than any other time in history.
Where you have missed it: you don't know where "great tribulation" (the days Jesus talked about) are found in Revelation. You don't know where the 70th week starts. You have to move the 6th seal to chapter 19. The list goes on and on. "prewrath" theory is the worst of the worst, Started by Van Kampen and Rosenthal because they did not distinguish between the cosmic signs that come before the week and the signs "after the tribulation of those days." These are two different signs that come over 7 years apart, and are signs for different things.
That great multitude is BEFORE any part of the 70th week. They could NOT have come from the days of GT Jesus spoke of. If you know anything about Revelation, the days of GT Jesus spoke of will be caused by the wrath of Satan working through the Beast and False prophet - and they don't even rise to power until chapter 13. They don't get the mark and image created until late in chapter 14.
You have often said we have to distinguish between wrath and tribulation. The truth is, we have to distinguish between "great tribulation" (GT) before the week, speaking of the daily tribulation over the long church age, and then the days of GT Jesus spoke of that would be worse than any other time in history.