50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord

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Roman's 2:28-29KJV
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Galatians 3:26-29KJV
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
You leave out what you do not wish to believe and only add what you want to believe.

Do not pickpocket the word of God and leave out the rest.

This sews confusion within the body of Christ as Revelation 22 shows your fallacy.

Lets add what you choose to leave out so others may have understanding, rather than your opinion on these matters:

Romans 2:5

But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

17 [d]Indeed you are called a Jew, and rest[e] on the law, and make your boast in God, 18 and know His will, and approve the things that are excellent, being instructed out of the law, 19 and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and truth in the law. 21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal? 22 You who say, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law? 24 For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” as it is written.

This is telling the "Jews" that they will not have life following the law of Moses or Torah, as they cannot do it completely, unblemished, and karbanot has been taken away after the destruction of the Temple. YHWH made no other possibility of salvation
without HaMashiach Jesus, FOR THE JEWS FIRST, AND THEN FOR THE GENTILE.


Using bits and pieces of scripture to fit your own needs of what you do not understand. That is ok, children do as much. When you have grown up in the spirit then you may attain to understanding these things. For he who fights against the word of God shall be shown as such, for all mankind this applies.

25 For circumcision is indeed profitable if you keep the law; but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision. 26 Therefore, if an uncircumcised man keeps the righteous requirements of the law, will not his uncircumcision be counted as circumcision? 27 And will not the physically uncircumcised, if he fulfills the law, judge you who, even with your written code and circumcision, are a transgressor of the law? 28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

What is being said here is that Gentiles and Jews alike cannot follow the law. SO WHY should gentiles CHOOSE to follow the law over following Christ Jesus ONLY, when you the gentile, are not under the obligation of the law! Common sense really. Romans, however, does not tell you NOT to be obedient to the law, or mitzvot (the word you hate).

When you USE bits of scripture to paint your own instruction to the sheep you do error greatly.

Posting bits of scripture that you choose, (cookie cutter) to defeat your "adversaries" only further deludes yourself from God and His spirit.

Again Revelation 22 - Judges Us All - Jew and gentile alike regardless of your personal beliefs or manipulation of scripture to prove yourself and your doctrine,

12 “And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.

18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”

Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be [m]with you all. Amen.
 

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If you believe in Christ then you should accept the fact that Jesus followed all the MITZVOT of YHWH.

That mitzvot that you speak against, is the word of God. HIS MITZVOT.

So you do not speak against me, and my witness is Christ Jesus in whom I trust, you speak against following the word of God. I told you the scripture and I will show you Adonai' words again.

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one [b]jot or one [c]tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

You may enter the rest of Christ and be the least in the kingdom of heaven and you may also teach His mitzvot and do His mitzvot and be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

It is very easy to fall under confusion doctrine as sewn by the enemy about Paul, from the tribe of Benjamin :), and become hateful of Jews (mitzvot, word of God) and equate this with false Talmud doctrine. Salvation comes from Jesus from the tribe of Judah, not from the tribe of Catholics, Presbyterians, Luther, or covenant theologists.
Strange, in the first Jerusalem conference, to discuss Gentile believers, there was no mention to follow the Jewish Mitzvot. Peter's words:

10..."why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? "

Jame's words:

20...we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. (Acts 15)

If you wish to put a yoke around you own neck and attempt to follow 613 points of law, by all means, feel free!
 

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You can stay behind and "tribulate" if you want to. Many are going to take God's escape plan and spend the 70th week or "trib' in heaven. I'll look you up at the marriage and supper in heaven, and ask how you beliefs worked out for you.
You said the same thing to me yesterday. You are following a cookie cutter approach, like many others, to arguing your false theories on here.

Where you missed it: the 70th week is ALL God's wrath because the Day of His wrath started first. Then, during the last half of the week, those days of GT, both God's wrath and Satan's wrath will be happening concurrently. There is NO WAY to divide God's wrath and Satan's wrath according to time.
Don't take my word for it: go back and look: THE DAY of His wrath at the 6th seal starts before the 70th week that begins at the 7th seal.
The 70 weeks of Gabriel given to Daniel occurred 2,000 years ago and fulfilled with the destruction of Beit HaMikdash. These are historical facts, not speculation as your theory.
 

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Yes notice this here. This tells us who will be sitting in the temple. If they remake a temple in Jerusalem there will be no doubt what it will be for.

Notice below the anti-Christ is going to be sitting in the temple of God. There isn't a temple of God anymore so this is a prophecy of a future event. This means there will be a temple reconstructed at some point and that temple will [...]
Here's a few thoughts about what you're saying (I agree there will be one then...)... or at least, about the point I *think* you are getting at...

Consider the following few points:

--"the first beast" (Rev13:1,5-7 ['MOUTH' matches Dan7:20-25,8--as the 'individual/person/king']) is shown as "coming up out of the SEA" (where "SEA" often represents the "nations [plural] / Gentiles");

--whereas "the second beast" (Rev13:11-15 etc) is shown as "coming up out of the EARTH / LAND" (where "EARTH / LAND" often represents "Israel [singular nation]")

--of "the man of sin" (which I believe is the "individual/person/king" aspect OF "the Beast," same as the "MOUTH" of Dan7), Paul uses the term "that Wicked" (kjv)... and in some versions uses the word "lawless one"... but in the Greek is the word "anomos [G459]" ... and note that Paul uses THIS SAME WORD in the following passage (3x) to refer to certain, particular kind/category of ppl:


1 Corinthians 9:21 Adj-NMS
GRK: ἀνόμοις ὡς ἄνομος μὴ ὢν
NAS: who are without law, as without
KJV: as without law, (being
INT: without law as without law not being

1 Corinthians 9:21 Adj-NMS
GRK: μὴ ὢν ἄνομος θεοῦ ἀλλ'
NAS: law, as without law,
KJV: (being not without law to God, but
INT: not being without law to God but

1 Corinthians 9:21 Adj-AMP
GRK: κερδανῶ τοὺς ἀνόμους
NAS: as without law, though not being
KJV: I might gain them that are without law.
INT: I might gain those without law

...and the first definition showing under Strong's, for this word is:

"1. destitute of (the Mosaic) law: used of Gentiles, 1 Corinthians 9:21, (without any suggestion of 'iniquity'; just as in Additions to Esther 4:42 [Esther 4:374:17u], where ἄνομοι ἀπερίτμητοι and ἀλλότριοι are used together)."

[end quoting Strong's]

... so in those 3 verses, speaking (again) of "Gentiles" (under this word)


--then there's the consideration of the phrase "until the TIMES of the Gentiles be fulfilled" (started in 605/6bc, referring to "Gentile domination over Israel," think: Neb's dream/statue/image... with Neb as "head of gold"... and pertains to "Jerusalem shall be TRODDEN DOWN of the Gentiles UNTIL..." ... which won't be "concluded" until the END of the future Trib yrs, per Rev11:2)...




...so taking ALL THAT into consideration... I mean... what might that tell us further about that "future, LIMITED time-period" we call the Trib ... which is when "the temple of God" will have something to do, per 2Th2:4 ... (and pertaining to the Dan9:24 prophecy concerning "[...ARE DETERMINED] UPON thy [Daniel's] people, AND UPON thy [Daniel's] holy city") ??
 

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Yes notice this here. This tells us who will be sitting in the temple. If they remake a temple in Jerusalem there will be no doubt what it will be for.

Notice below the anti-Christ is going to be sitting in the temple of God. There isn't a temple of God anymore so this is a prophecy of a future event. This means there will be a temple reconstructed at some point and that temple will probably fit the Biblical dimensions of it described in the Old Testament.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
The scripture below strongly suggest there will be a future temple built, and animal sacrifice resumed that will be an "Abomination" to the Lord

Below you see God mention a house/temple being built, and animals being sacrificed in "Abomination"

Yes the delusion mentioned in Isaiah 66:4 & 2 Thessalonians 2:11 appears to be the same, and this word "Delusion" only used 2 times in the KJV

You will note that Isaiah Chapter 66 surrounds the end time, thatwill usher in the Eternal Kingdom

Yes the false teaching of a Millennial Temple, and that God will instruct and bless future animal sacrifice for sin, is preparing the way for the future Antichrist, man of sin

"The Delusion"

Isaiah 66:1-4KJV
1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-11KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
 

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You said the same thing to me yesterday. You are following a cookie cutter approach, like many others, to arguing your false theories on here.



The 70 weeks of Gabriel given to Daniel occurred 2,000 years ago and fulfilled with the destruction of Beit HaMikdash. These are historical facts, not speculation as your theory.
It was true yesterday and it is true today. If you wish to be left behind - if that is where your faith is - God answers according to our faith.

However, feel very free in your believe: it is a freedom God has given us.

Just one point: the great crowd seen in heaven is in chapter 7. The 70th week starts in 8:1. That is where we get PRE... To compare, Jesus coming to Armageddon where some wildly imagine they will be caught up is in chapter 19! These theories are 12 chapters off! What is between chapter 7 and chapter 19? Of course the 70th week of Daniel - that 7 years some imagine is past tense today.
 

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all will believe the lies, or be confused with the lies of the 70 week false doctrine laid out here by many. Since the 1960's many authors have published books regurgitating the false theories and making money by doing so..

Only those who have received the Holy Spirit be enlightened to these lies and know the truth through HaMashiach Jesus.
 

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Jesus does not command gentiles to become "Jews" nor does Paul as you cannot. Entering into the kingdom should be enough for you as it is written,

Matthew 15:

19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.” Jesus answering Israeli tradition misconceptions that "became doctrine".

25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

26 But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”

27 And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”

28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

Do you understand the verse above?
Your claim is false "As You Cannot", scripture clearly teaches Gods Jew is the Church, read it again and again

Roman's 2:28-29KJV
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Roman's 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 
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...so taking ALL THAT into consideration... I mean... what might that tell us further about that "future, LIMITED time-period" we call the Trib ... which is when "the temple of God" will have something to do, per 2Th2:4 ... (and pertaining to the Dan9:24 prophecy concerning "[...ARE DETERMINED] UPON thy [Daniel's] people, AND UPON thy [Daniel's] holy city") ??
It most likely means temple activities with animal sacrifices and whatever else they do will continue at some point in the great tribulation. Instead of God, it will be a man known as the anti-Christ being worshipped.

I also might add, the construction of a third temple in jerusalem is a real and present possibility. There's plenty of talk about it and there are organizations ready to start the construction if given the go ahead.

The construction of the third temple will be a crucial fulfilment of prophecy.
 

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The 70 weeks of Gabriel given to Daniel occurred 2,000 years ago and fulfilled with the destruction of Beit HaMikdash. These are historical facts, not speculation as your theory.
The "Future" Antichrist Seen In Daniel 9:27 Will Be Present On Earth Until The Consummation (The End) Your Claim This Has Been Historically Fulfilled Is (False)

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four hundred and ninety years), simple

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.



Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weekswere fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal future weeks or 490 days.

When the call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the Antichrist who stops the building.

The 70th literal week will see the antichrist revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation has started.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 

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Your claim is false "As You Cannot", scripture clearly teaches Gods Jew is the Church, read it again and again
You can believe whatever crazy nonsense you choose to believe, just like Hitler did.

It doesn't change the fact your doctrine is false as is your misinterpretation of scripture, which is also antisemitic, confusion doctrine that breeds hate.

You cherry pick verses of scripture in an attempt to prove your false doctrine all while stating that God's word, long before you were born, no longer matters, but only your opinion of scripture matters above all.

It's false, against the body of Christ and you will be shown that it is false by YHWH. It's your choice to fight against God - you decide.
 
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The scripture below strongly suggest there will be a future temple built, and animal sacrifice resumed that will be an "Abomination" to the Lord

Below you see God mention a house/temple being built, and animals being sacrificed in "Abomination"

Yes the delusion mentioned in Isaiah 66:4 & 2 Thessalonians 2:11 appears to be the same, and this word "Delusion" only used 2 times in the KJV

You will note that Isaiah Chapter 66 surrounds the end time, thatwill usher in the Eternal Kingdom

Yes the false teaching of a Millennial Temple, and that God will instruct and bless future animal sacrifice for sin, is preparing the way for the future Antichrist, man of sin

"The Delusion"

Isaiah 66:1-4KJV
1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-11KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Wow great find. I didn't even know about that Isaiah 66 scripture. I think it's definitely confirmed that there will be a future temple and the anti-Christ will be sitting in it claiming to be God. He's going to deceive people and apparently use deceptions and wonders. If we are here when this happens then don't be deceived because it isn't going to be Jesus. (If they say to you He's in the inner room don't go or if He's in the wildernesses don't go). We'll know the real Jesus because as the lightning flashes from east to west so shall the coming of the Son of man be.
 

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It most likely means temple activities with animal sacrifices and whatever else they do will continue at some point in the great tribulation. Instead of God, it will be a man known as the anti-Christ being worshipped.
I also might add, the construction of a third temple in jerusalem is a real and present possibility. There's plenty of talk about it and there are organizations ready to start the construction if given the go ahead.
The construction of the third temple will be a crucial fulfilment of prophecy.
I gather you read nothing else in my post (re: "Gentiles") except the last paragraph you'd quoted (of my post) :rolleyes: , thus missing my point.



[...I should probably have also added: Rev2:9/3:9 in that post, too]
 

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You can believe whatever crazy nonsense you choose to believe, just like Hitler did.

It doesn't change the fact your doctrine is false as is your misinterpretation of scripture, which is also antisemitic, confusion doctrine that breeds hate.

You cherry pick verses of scripture in an attempt to prove your false doctrine all while stating that God's word, long before you were born, no longer matters, but only your opinion of scripture matters above all.

It's false, against the body of Christ and you will be shown that it is false by YHWH. It's your choice to fight against God - you decide.
Your claim of my doctrine being equal to Hitler, and your repeated claims of myself being an Antisemite is "False" as you resort to personal attacks, as your silenced by Gods words of truth

The Church Is Gods Jew, read it again

Roman's 2:28-29KJV
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The Ethnic Jew, Children Of The Flesh, These Are Not The Children Of God

Roman's 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 
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I gather you read nothing else in my post (re: "Gentiles") except the last paragraph you'd quoted (of my post) :rolleyes: , thus missing my point.
I read it all actually. I only quoted the last paragraph because that's where your only question was. I did my best to answer it. Feel free to ask me anything.
 

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Runningman the most deceptive part of the false teaching is a literal Millennial Kingdom on this earth

This false teaching has a physical Jesus returning to Jerusalem, taking a throne of King David, this will be the Antichrist/Man Of Sin "Beware"

Dispensationalism falsely teaches the book of Revelation is taught in chronological order, a false teaching that restrains the reader from understanding the parallel teachings and events, This false teaching allows for multiple resurrections and battles (A Lie)

This false teaching also hides the fact of the (Two Witnesses) the main theme of the tribulation, as this false teaching has the two witnesses 1260 days as the first part of a 7 year tribulation, with the antichrist/Beast 42 months being a separate time after the witnesses are gone (A Lie)

The time frames of the two witnesses 1260 days, and the beast 42 months are seen in parallel,the same time frame of 3.5 years, as the two witnesses will be present during the antichrist/beast the entire time, bringing all plagues as often as they will, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Their complete false teaching is to elevate (The Beast) in fear, promoting a false pre-trib rapture to escape, when in reality as you have been clearly shown, the Two Witnesses through God rule the tribulation, as the sealed church is protected

Dispensationalism is a lie on many fronts, not just the pre-trib rapture

(Beware)
<<<This false teaching has a physical Jesus returning to Jerusalem, taking a throne of King David, this will be the Antichrist/Man Of Sin "Beware">>>

So your end-time eschatology has the antichrist taking the throne of David at the end of the 70th week of Daniel aka Return aka Second Coming?
 

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Your claim of my doctrine being equal to Hitler, and your repeated claims of myself being an Antisemite is "False"
as you resort to personal attacks, silenced by Gods words of truth
Revelation 22 should have silenced you, but you cannot stop the flood of false doctrine coming from your heart. It's our job as Christians to call out such plain and clear.

We can also see how you post the same propaganda over and over.

When you must twist everything that is said, round about - the only thing that comes to my mind is the father of lies. thats all I see from you - bombastic lies about scripture in such a "so sure of yourself" manner. There is only one other creature that does this that I am aware of and that is fallen angels.
 

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You said the same thing to me yesterday. You are following a cookie cutter approach, like many others, to arguing your false theories on here.



The 70 weeks of Gabriel given to Daniel occurred 2,000 years ago and fulfilled with the destruction of Beit HaMikdash. These are historical facts, not speculation as your theory.
445 BC to 70AD does not equal 490 years. So you are definitely wrong there.

However 69 weeks of years aka 173,880 days DOES equate to the precise date of the Triumphal entry.

Do you understand and believe in the 7 year tribulation of the book of Revelation? Because in fact that IS the 70th week of Daniel there is absolutely no doubt about it whatsoever.
 

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<<<This false teaching has a physical Jesus returning to Jerusalem, taking a throne of King David, this will be the Antichrist/Man Of Sin "Beware">>>

So your end-time eschatology has the antichrist taking the throne of David at the end of the 70th week of Daniel aka Return aka Second Coming?
There wont be a future Millennial Kingdom on this earth, as you have been shown "Several Times" Jesus Christ returns immediately after the tribulation in fire and Final judgement, the heavens and earth are "Dissolved" by this fire (The End)

Your teaching that Jesus returns to this earth, taking a throne of David, as this "False Christ" sits watching as a Jewish priesthood in a Millennial temple is sacrificing animals for sin?

Bingo, you have your Antichrist/Man Of Sin, as all lines of a tribulation will be forgotten,as the world is deceived by false miracles, in believing its God Messiah returned to earth

God will send a strong delusion, that the world will believe the (Lie) and teaching Jesus Christ will return to Jerusalem and take a throne of David, watching animal sacrifice for sin, is part of this delusion and (Lie)

2 Thessalonians 2:3-12KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.