There Will Be No Future Millennium On This Earth, A False Teaching Of Man
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Your response is completely of the topic of Ezekiel chapters 40-46 below, that has been clearly shown to be the Zerubbabel 2nd Temple built in 536BC and destroyed by the Romans in 70AD
As scripture "Clearly Teaches" Ezekiel received the vision in the 25th year in the Babylonian Captivity, he was instructed to show this vision to the house of Israel (In The Captivity)
In Ezekiel 43:10 The House of Israel (In The Captivity) Is Shown The Temple, And Measure The Pattern To Build, And They Are Instructed To Keep The Ordinances.
How could anybody claim this represents a (Future) Temple that's been almost 3,000 years and waiting, Real Big Smiles!
The Temple Seen is the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built in 536BC after the Jews returned to Jerusalem from the Babylonian Captivity, it was destroyed by the Roman's in 70AD
Ezekiel 40:1-4KJV
In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the Lord was upon me, and brought me thither.
2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.
3 And he brought me thither, and, behold, there was a man, whose appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate.
4 And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thine heart upon all that I shall shew thee; for to the intent that I might shew them unto thee art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel.
Ezekiel 43:10-11KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
As scripture "Clearly Teaches" Ezekiel received the vision in the 25th year in the Babylonian Captivity, he was instructed to show this vision to the house of Israel (In The Captivity)
In Ezekiel 43:10 The House of Israel (In The Captivity) Is Shown The Temple, And Measure The Pattern To Build, And They Are Instructed To Keep The Ordinances.
How could anybody claim this represents a (Future) Temple that's been almost 3,000 years and waiting, Real Big Smiles!
The Temple Seen is the 2nd Zerubbabel Temple built in 536BC after the Jews returned to Jerusalem from the Babylonian Captivity, it was destroyed by the Roman's in 70AD
Ezekiel 40:1-4KJV
In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the Lord was upon me, and brought me thither.
2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.
3 And he brought me thither, and, behold, there was a man, whose appearance was like the appearance of brass, with a line of flax in his hand, and a measuring reed; and he stood in the gate.
4 And the man said unto me, Son of man, behold with thine eyes, and hear with thine ears, and set thine heart upon all that I shall shew thee; for to the intent that I might shew them unto thee art thou brought hither: declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel.
Ezekiel 43:10-11KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
You've quoted verse 7, which says:
v.7 - "and the rest were blinded/hardened [G4456 - epōrōthēsan / póroó - verb]"
...however, these three verses ^ you quote, having been extracted from their overall context (i.e. the entire chapter 11), you seem to be missing the part about:
"blindness/hardening [G4457 - pōrōsis / pórósis - noun]... UNTIL" (vv.25-29[15]), concerning Israel (and Israel's "future" as contrasted with their "now/present" condition)
v.7 - "and the rest were blinded/hardened [G4456 - epōrōthēsan / póroó - verb]"
...however, these three verses ^ you quote, having been extracted from their overall context (i.e. the entire chapter 11), you seem to be missing the part about:
"blindness/hardening [G4457 - pōrōsis / pórósis - noun]... UNTIL" (vv.25-29[15]), concerning Israel (and Israel's "future" as contrasted with their "now/present" condition)
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God is not a respecter of persons. We should not water down the truth, just so that we do not hurt people who are not children of God. The 2nd Covenant replaced the 1st Covenant and to say any different is to doubt our faith and our Savior.
The bible teaches nothing about a physical reunion with Christ in some millennium reign. This totally false teaching should never be entertained and should not even be debated.
The amount of bible verses I see thrown around to prove or disprove this subject is an abomination to God. True Christians know the truth not by proving anything by presenting a multitude of verses but by the Spirit of God that dwells within them. It is almost certain that those who believe in such false teachings are not Christians and they need to bend their knees to God and seek to draw close to him so that He can open their eyes.
The bible teaches nothing about a physical reunion with Christ in some millennium reign. This totally false teaching should never be entertained and should not even be debated.
The amount of bible verses I see thrown around to prove or disprove this subject is an abomination to God. True Christians know the truth not by proving anything by presenting a multitude of verses but by the Spirit of God that dwells within them. It is almost certain that those who believe in such false teachings are not Christians and they need to bend their knees to God and seek to draw close to him so that He can open their eyes.
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Revelation was Jesus's last word to his saints, and not to the world. The last chapter of Revelation stated
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
These words were stated 2000 years ago and should be taken seriously. We know that for the length of time that Noah took to build the Ark, no additional person was saved.
Also when Jesus tells us to watch for his coming - this watch is not about studying the bible this is something subjective that each Christian has to do to discern the sign of the times. Christians who are not watching will not be able to discern the sign of the times and will miss Christ's return. Those who are watch will see as clearly as night is different from day, the imminent coming of Jesus Christ.
Noah knew when the door was closing and so he knew that time was up. In the same way true Christians will see all the signs of the irredeemable world as their eyes will be open.
Daniel 12 states
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
This is talking about the sanctified saints of God who will understand everything that is taking place because God has revealed the truth to them. This is a process where the faithful will come through the fire and everything will become clear.
It is very possible that throughout the book of Revelation, no one can become saved as God never addressed the world only a warning to His saints to persevere and watch and be ready.
In fact in John 17, Jesus prayed a very curious prayer, he said I pray not for the world but for those who you have given to me.
He also mentioned of course that he prayed also for those who would come to Him through the words of his Apostles that He sent into the world.
The words of the Apostles actually is the bible which has been existence for almost 2000 years. The Holy Spirit being the agent that reproves the world of sin and righteousness and judgment.
Our watch is not random. God does not ask us to do random things. Watching is a very serious business and it is God himself who will give us the discernment to see what is about to happen.
Today the truth is called a lie and a lie is called the truth. Good is called evil and evil good. Jesus did say woe to those with child in those days, this is because time will have been up and no one will be able to get saved.
To be honest, you cannot get these things from any bible verse but rather from a totality of all verses through the Spirit of God.
Your correct, there is no Millennial Kingdom on this earth seen in scripture, a false teaching of man
The deception in this false teaching is, that they a have physical return of Jesus Christ, ruling on a throne in Jerusalem amongst mortal humans?
This will be the future (Man Of Sin/The Antichrist), with this false teaching in a Millennial Kingdom on this earth preparing his way
Jesus Christ warned his followers against this false teaching, he wont be found any place upon this earth
"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"
(BEWARE)
Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
The deception in this false teaching is, that they a have physical return of Jesus Christ, ruling on a throne in Jerusalem amongst mortal humans?
This will be the future (Man Of Sin/The Antichrist), with this false teaching in a Millennial Kingdom on this earth preparing his way
Jesus Christ warned his followers against this false teaching, he wont be found any place upon this earth
"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"
(BEWARE)
Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
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I do not want to start a debate here, but only to summarize what I believe about Israel.
I believe that Israel ( the remnant) was redeemed during the 1st century. Very likely the 144, 000 mentioned in the bible.
I believe that they entered the New Jerusalem, the kingdom of God which exists in another dimension that we are not privy to on this here earth.
It is possible that the 1st resurrection spoken of in Revelation 20 are these 144k. These appear to be the bride of Christ.
I believe that all Jews after the fall of Jerusalem in the first Century come under the banner of the 2nd covenant and thus are part of the Gentiles who came into God's 2nd covenant.
In reality there is no such nation as the Jewish nation as recognized by God that exists today. I cannot debate this because I do not want to.
I believe that Israel ( the remnant) was redeemed during the 1st century. Very likely the 144, 000 mentioned in the bible.
I believe that they entered the New Jerusalem, the kingdom of God which exists in another dimension that we are not privy to on this here earth.
It is possible that the 1st resurrection spoken of in Revelation 20 are these 144k. These appear to be the bride of Christ.
I believe that all Jews after the fall of Jerusalem in the first Century come under the banner of the 2nd covenant and thus are part of the Gentiles who came into God's 2nd covenant.
In reality there is no such nation as the Jewish nation as recognized by God that exists today. I cannot debate this because I do not want to.
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One of the problems with secular history is that it is not reliable and with a deceptive Devil as Satan, we cannot believe anything in any secular book.
The bible is the only book of truth and anything that is not found in the bible is suspect.
Speculation is not a good idea. In Noah's day the entire world was deceived by the Devil except for Noah. So just because the majority of the Christian World believe that God's Spiritual Jews still exist does not make it so. The bible has to state so explicitly. And the bible did not address the Jewish nation in the book of Revelation. The entire book of Revelation was in regards to preparing for the second coming of Christ. From chapter 4 to the end it deals with the kingdom of heaven.
The bible is the only book of truth and anything that is not found in the bible is suspect.
Speculation is not a good idea. In Noah's day the entire world was deceived by the Devil except for Noah. So just because the majority of the Christian World believe that God's Spiritual Jews still exist does not make it so. The bible has to state so explicitly. And the bible did not address the Jewish nation in the book of Revelation. The entire book of Revelation was in regards to preparing for the second coming of Christ. From chapter 4 to the end it deals with the kingdom of heaven.
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There is a topic in the Old and New Testament called the early and the latter rain.
I believe that the early rain was the reaping of the Jews who came from the old Testament era.
The latter rain will be the reaping of everyone else, the entire world on the last day.
After Christ's resurrection, the graves were opened and many saints came out and went into the city of Jerusalem. This is not the physical city of Jerusalem but the spiritual city of Jerusalem.
If we read John's last statement in John 21 - He states that if all the works that Jesus did were written in a book, all the books in the world would not be able to contain everything that Jesus did and said. We only get a synapse of the teachings of God's word for our salvation but not a detailed history of all that happened while Jesus was here on this earth.
Jesus specifically came to the Jews and He told his disciples that the harvest was ripe or ready but the workers were few. Jesus sent out workers twice into the field with supernatural powers to reap the Jews. In fact John the baptist started the work so that everything would be ready for reaping.
At that time the gentiles were not in view and only the Jews were being reaped.
In Revelation 19 an army came with Jesus to fight the battle of Armageddon. This army was described as clothed in linen white and clean. This is a description of Jesus's saints and cannot be angels but has to be the Jewish saints.
I will try and make a compilation of verses that correlate with my view of this concept and present them later.
Isaiah 40:v. 21 to 23
21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
And it came to pass afterward, that JESUS went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with Him, Luke 8:v.1
Revelation 11:v.15 to 18
15 - The kingdoms of this world (world of the Devil) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
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18 - And the nations were (will be) angry, and thy wrath (GOD's wrath) is come, ...and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Revelation 5:v. 10
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Revelation 2:v. 25 to 29
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
1 Corinthians 15:v. 24 to 28
24 Then the END cometh, when he shall have delivered up the KINGDOM to God, even the Father; when JESUS shall have PUT DOWN all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under Him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that GOD may be all in all. Amen
To the only wise God our Savior, be Glory and Majesty, Dominion and Power, both now and ever. Amen.
In Christ JESUS, KING of kings (kings made by Him), and LORD of lords
21 Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth?
22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
23 That bringeth the princes to nothing; he maketh the judges of the earth as vanity.
And it came to pass afterward, that JESUS went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with Him, Luke 8:v.1
Revelation 11:v.15 to 18
15 - The kingdoms of this world (world of the Devil) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
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18 - And the nations were (will be) angry, and thy wrath (GOD's wrath) is come, ...and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Revelation 5:v. 10
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Revelation 2:v. 25 to 29
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
1 Corinthians 15:v. 24 to 28
24 Then the END cometh, when he shall have delivered up the KINGDOM to God, even the Father; when JESUS shall have PUT DOWN all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under Him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under Him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that GOD may be all in all. Amen
To the only wise God our Savior, be Glory and Majesty, Dominion and Power, both now and ever. Amen.
In Christ JESUS, KING of kings (kings made by Him), and LORD of lords
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What prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand?
Revelation 5:v. 10
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Revelation 11:v.15 to 18
15 - The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD (world of the Devil) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
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18 - And the nations were (will be) angry, and thy wrath (GOD's wrath) is come, ...and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Luke 20:v.35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
THE WORD IS GOD. The everlasting Spirit of GOD is a FIRE, a devouring FIRE.
Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? Isaiah 33:v.14
Revelation 5:v. 10
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Revelation 11:v.15 to 18
15 - The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD (world of the Devil) are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
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18 - And the nations were (will be) angry, and thy wrath (GOD's wrath) is come, ...and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Luke 20:v.35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
THE WORD IS GOD. The everlasting Spirit of GOD is a FIRE, a devouring FIRE.
Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? Isaiah 33:v.14
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yeah I think I agree with alot of what your saying , when you say through the spirit of God what is it your actually saying ? What I’m mean is what if I were to ask you “ how does the spirit of God tangibly work in me ?” What’s the process. For a believer ?
everything God said and has to say to all of mankind and purposes for us to know is in scripture. When you say “ Gods spirit “ you are talking about Through Jesus and the gospel .
The Holy Spirit preached the Gospel and said believe the gospel and you will receive the Holy Spirit “
“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him,
and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:21-22 KJV
notice Jesus began preaching the gospel only at this point ? And began to speak say thing like this
“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”
John 6:38 KJV
“And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.”
John 8:23-24, 26-27
This moment of the messiah being born , receiving Gods spirit , Gods voice declaring this was his son the promised Christ is all foretold , this Mans words being the words of God was foretold so when Jesus is saying
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
He repeatedly says this and then we have another witness from the one who baptized him
“He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth:
he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
John 3:31-36 KJV
to look at what John said there and then
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
John 5:22, 24, 26-
When he’s telling beloevers about receiving the holy spirit the truth about it , he’s telling them to love him and to believe keep his words if they really love him and he will come to them
“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
John 14:23-26 KJV
the Holy Spirit is who preached the gospel is my point when you say through the spirit christs word what he said is where that gets into our minds and hearts the understanding doesn’t magically happen at least not for
Me
I think it’s about pursuing this understanding not by sitting and reading a Bible but by believing learning from and the. Acting out those things we learn whe. We do study the Bible
Noah was told something by God that seemed improbable to the natural
Man you have to first hear God say “
There’s a flood coming Noah and also believe Gods telling the truth . So in relation to the gospel our flood is coming too but are we gonna believe and respond like Noah ? Again though we can’t believe what we don’t know about and can’t know what we don’t hear or read or some form of reception
I believe all thkngs come by the spirit too brother I think maybe the spirit is being interpreted differently toy by us I’m looking at it like the bolt spirit spoke forth the gospel through Christ and said it would be the same forever and sent it to everyone to believe and if they do they will receive his spirit and of course would get baptized if they believed
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
We have to hear it though before we’ll ever know it already slot of folks are going to agree with a lot of what Jesus says but there’s also stuff we’re going to struggle with
I don’t believe salvstion depends on a full or even super deep
Understanding some get that some don’t but salvation I think is a loot believing what you do Hear and know and walking in that accountability or living up to it walking by that faith
I did find a lot of points of agreement in your post however urgency is important but hearing first is necassary to believe something
“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:13-14, 17
But my belief is that we need to hear it believe it and then move into putting it into practice in our lives if we aren’t already in line with his doctrine of forgiveness , generosity , giving , seeking to do good for others In Need , getting away from the sins of our past lives and into the thkngs of the gospel I think hearing is first and then believing comes and doing results
this all the world of the spirit through the word of the gospel
yeah I think I agree with alot of what your saying , when you say through the spirit of God what is it your actually saying ? What I’m mean is what if I were to ask you “ how does the spirit of God tangibly work in me ?” What’s the process. For a believer ?
everything God said and has to say to all of mankind and purposes for us to know is in scripture. When you say “ Gods spirit “ you are talking about Through Jesus and the gospel .
The Holy Spirit preached the Gospel and said believe the gospel and you will receive the Holy Spirit “
“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him,
and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
Luke 3:21-22 KJV
notice Jesus began preaching the gospel only at this point ? And began to speak say thing like this
“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”
John 6:38 KJV
“And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.”
John 8:23-24, 26-27
This moment of the messiah being born , receiving Gods spirit , Gods voice declaring this was his son the promised Christ is all foretold , this Mans words being the words of God was foretold so when Jesus is saying
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50 KJV
He repeatedly says this and then we have another witness from the one who baptized him
“He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth:
he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
John 3:31-36 KJV
to look at what John said there and then
“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
John 5:22, 24, 26-
When he’s telling beloevers about receiving the holy spirit the truth about it , he’s telling them to love him and to believe keep his words if they really love him and he will come to them
“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
John 14:23-26 KJV
the Holy Spirit is who preached the gospel is my point when you say through the spirit christs word what he said is where that gets into our minds and hearts the understanding doesn’t magically happen at least not for
Me
I think it’s about pursuing this understanding not by sitting and reading a Bible but by believing learning from and the. Acting out those things we learn whe. We do study the Bible
Noah was told something by God that seemed improbable to the natural
Man you have to first hear God say “
There’s a flood coming Noah and also believe Gods telling the truth . So in relation to the gospel our flood is coming too but are we gonna believe and respond like Noah ? Again though we can’t believe what we don’t know about and can’t know what we don’t hear or read or some form of reception
I believe all thkngs come by the spirit too brother I think maybe the spirit is being interpreted differently toy by us I’m looking at it like the bolt spirit spoke forth the gospel through Christ and said it would be the same forever and sent it to everyone to believe and if they do they will receive his spirit and of course would get baptized if they believed
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
We have to hear it though before we’ll ever know it already slot of folks are going to agree with a lot of what Jesus says but there’s also stuff we’re going to struggle with
I don’t believe salvstion depends on a full or even super deep
Understanding some get that some don’t but salvation I think is a loot believing what you do Hear and know and walking in that accountability or living up to it walking by that faith
I did find a lot of points of agreement in your post however urgency is important but hearing first is necassary to believe something
“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
Romans 10:13-14, 17
But my belief is that we need to hear it believe it and then move into putting it into practice in our lives if we aren’t already in line with his doctrine of forgiveness , generosity , giving , seeking to do good for others In Need , getting away from the sins of our past lives and into the thkngs of the gospel I think hearing is first and then believing comes and doing results
this all the world of the spirit through the word of the gospel
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