Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??
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Sounds good that we must agree on doctrine?
Are you going to let go of your (Pre-Trib Rapture) and (Millennial Kingdom) on this earth, neither being found in the scripture
Are you going to let go of your (Pre-Trib Rapture) and (Millennial Kingdom) on this earth, neither being found in the scripture
Does it say man has to be married to be pastor? Doesn't it simple say he should not be polygamous?
I took it to mean that if the pastor be married it should be to only one wife. Bear in mind in surrounding cultures and faiths at the time Paul was writing, polygamy was v popular. The pagans were into it big time as is still the case.today.
I took it to mean that if the pastor be married it should be to only one wife. Bear in mind in surrounding cultures and faiths at the time Paul was writing, polygamy was v popular. The pagans were into it big time as is still the case.today.
Do you know of any Scripture that says or implies that Paul was NOT a widower????
Now before you jump up and down.......consider these.......
Paul puts himself in the category of being “unmarried” in 1 Corth. 7:8. Since we know that iis what the Scriptures say...we can agree on that.
Now, stay with me, this will take a little time. The word “unmarried” translates the Greek word agamos.
Paul uses the term agamos to refer to those who have been married but now are no longer married.
The context of agamos in 1 Corth. 7:8 is dominated by Paul’s instructions to those who are married or who have been married.
So then, The Greek word for “widower” was not in use during the Koine period.
The word for “unmarried” appears to be the masculine word for someone who has lost a spouse.
Then on top of that, we all know that Paul as a Pharisee and a member of the Sanhedrin and As a good Pharisee, HE HAD TO BE A MARRIED MAN AT THAT TIME OF HIS ELECTION TO THAT COUNCIL.
I will let you do the work and see if you will agree that Paul was actually a Widower.
Now before you jump up and down.......consider these.......
Paul puts himself in the category of being “unmarried” in 1 Corth. 7:8. Since we know that iis what the Scriptures say...we can agree on that.
Now, stay with me, this will take a little time. The word “unmarried” translates the Greek word agamos.
Paul uses the term agamos to refer to those who have been married but now are no longer married.
The context of agamos in 1 Corth. 7:8 is dominated by Paul’s instructions to those who are married or who have been married.
So then, The Greek word for “widower” was not in use during the Koine period.
The word for “unmarried” appears to be the masculine word for someone who has lost a spouse.
Then on top of that, we all know that Paul as a Pharisee and a member of the Sanhedrin and As a good Pharisee, HE HAD TO BE A MARRIED MAN AT THAT TIME OF HIS ELECTION TO THAT COUNCIL.
I will let you do the work and see if you will agree that Paul was actually a Widower.
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As you can clearly see, you desire that every believer follows your doctrine, founded in John N. Darby & Adulterer C.I Scofield known as Dispensationalism
You believe your doctrine in a Pre-Trib Rapture and Millennial Kingdom is true, however scripture in my observation states the teachings are false
The KJV uses the term (Godhead) no need to use the non-biblical word (Trinity)
Romans 1:20KJV
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1 John 5:7-8KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
You believe your doctrine in a Pre-Trib Rapture and Millennial Kingdom is true, however scripture in my observation states the teachings are false
The KJV uses the term (Godhead) no need to use the non-biblical word (Trinity)
Romans 1:20KJV
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1 John 5:7-8KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Because......If a man can not and does not operate his own family properly then he will not operate the Church properly.
The MAN/HUSBAND is the one God placed in authority because Eve was the 1st to sin and she enticed Adam.
1 Tim. 2:12-13.............
“But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.”
The issue of authority is tied to Adam being created first; therefore, it is not merely culturally related teaching. In support of their position, the egalitarians (those who say that women can be pastors and elders) deny that Adam had any authority over Eve at all. They deny this because if he did, then it would work against their position that males and females in the church are completely equal in roles since Paul relates the authority issue to Adam.
Obviously, in the mind of Paul the issue of authority is tied to the created order.
Now as you can see.....there has been over 110 pages on this thread.
May I submit to ALL that this is NOT a question of Woman or Men Pastors. We must ask ourselves whether or not we want to submit to the authority of God’s Word or submit God’s Word to our wants, to our desires, and the political correctness that surrounds us. Let’s stick to God’s word.
The MAN/HUSBAND is the one God placed in authority because Eve was the 1st to sin and she enticed Adam.
1 Tim. 2:12-13.............
“But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.”
The issue of authority is tied to Adam being created first; therefore, it is not merely culturally related teaching. In support of their position, the egalitarians (those who say that women can be pastors and elders) deny that Adam had any authority over Eve at all. They deny this because if he did, then it would work against their position that males and females in the church are completely equal in roles since Paul relates the authority issue to Adam.
Obviously, in the mind of Paul the issue of authority is tied to the created order.
Now as you can see.....there has been over 110 pages on this thread.
May I submit to ALL that this is NOT a question of Woman or Men Pastors. We must ask ourselves whether or not we want to submit to the authority of God’s Word or submit God’s Word to our wants, to our desires, and the political correctness that surrounds us. Let’s stick to God’s word.
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As you can clearly see, you desire that every believer follows your doctrine, founded in John N. Darby & Adulterer C.I Scofield known as Dispensationalism
You believe your doctrine in a Pre-Trib Rapture and Millennial Kingdom is true, however scripture in my observation states the teachings are false
The KJV uses the term (Godhead) no need to use the non-biblical word (Trinity)
Romans 1:20KJV
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1 John 5:7-8KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
You believe your doctrine in a Pre-Trib Rapture and Millennial Kingdom is true, however scripture in my observation states the teachings are false
The KJV uses the term (Godhead) no need to use the non-biblical word (Trinity)
Romans 1:20KJV
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1 John 5:7-8KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
#1........I have NO doctrine whatsoever.
#2........I am a pre-millennialist because I READ the Scriptures and when taken in their entirety, that is what they say to ME.
#3. ......YOU are free to believe that my friend, and YOU should not say one single berating word to anyone who does not agree with YOUR doctrine.
#4........The point is and was, there is NO SPECIFIC word in the Scriptures as TRINITY. I believe in it, but again, the SPECIFIC word is not found. When the word "Godhead" was used it was to validate that Jesus was God in the flesh bodily.
yes, he did know that but he did also speak on the gift of those who did not marry. The only reason why HE said not to marry ( Not by the law but his reasoning) was so one can do more for the kingdom of God. When a Man is married God expects him to take care of his home and family First. If he cannot do this, then he is not qualified to Pastor. That is one of the most stringent arguments for women not being pastors I think, is God holds the man responsible for the family.
Women have been made to do it by default. man has left the home and made women do adultery as Jesus said.
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