Would God Have us Solve Confusion of baptisms?

Yahcubs777 · Mar 3, 2021

Eden is the heavens world for Mankind. They were given to eat of all the trees in the Garden of Eden, except the tree that was in the midst of the garden, called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Do you know that Jesus His Pre-Eminence addressed this tree? When HE said:

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit
An evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit.
A good tree brings forth good fruit
An evil tree brings for evil fruit.
Ye shall know them by their fruits.

How can there be a tree that gives the fruit of knowledge of good and evil? which fruit does it bring? good fruit, or evil fruit?

These messages which i am sharing are in the similitudes of the tree of Life. The Mana and quails that those who were with moses ate, were in the similitudes of the tree that caused the fall. The trees are celestial trees, they are not terrestrial trees.

presidente · Mar 3, 2021

Yahcubs777 said:

How do you think Cain went to the east of Eden to the land of Nod? Do you think he went to the east part of heaven? Why was the wickedness on the earth during the time of the flood and not in heaven, then?

The tree was called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not the evil tree.

presidente · Mar 3, 2021

Yahcubs777 said:

Maybe Daniel spoke Akkadian, since he lived in Babylon. Why would pre-captivity Hebrews have learned Akkadian?

Jews in Babylon might have gotten along in Aramaic without even knowing Akkadian at that point in time. Akkadian has some sloppy truncating of triliteral roots, IMO, which would have made it harder for Hebrew speakers to learn than Aramaic.

presidente · Mar 3, 2021

Yahcubs777 said:

Is this your 'man of God' who you identify as the angel?

Does he claim to be one or both of the two witnesses?

presidente · Mar 3, 2021

Yahcubs777 said:

What are you talking about? I did not say that resurrected bodies had blood in them. You are talking about no eternal organs, no anus, and electrical resurrected bodies. The Bible does not discuss these issues. Why do you oppose the idea of the new changed body being caught up into the air?

Also you write, 'in the book of your apostle.' Are you opposed to the ministry of the apostle Paul? I find that there are people who oppose Paul, but pick bits and pieces of Paul's teaching here and there as it suits them.

Show me one post where I have contradicted what is written. The thread started off with your asserting ideas about water baptism that did not align with what is written. Then, to support your beliefs, you pick a passage and claim it is an allegory for whatever idea you hold to. Uzzah dying when he touched the ark was supposed to be evidence for electricity in the resurrected body. I am not sure what you based the idea that resurrected bodies have no internal organs on. You assert a lot of things you do not have an extremely allegorical interpretation of scripture on.

The early allegorical interpreters of scripture, or Origen at least, accepted the literal level of interpretation. Before you start going off into wild interpretations of scripture, study the plain sense first. You promote wild allegorical interpretations that do not line up with a plain sense reading of scripture.

Where do you get the idea of the 'spectacular termination of the solar system' from? You do not think the second coming involves space ships do you?

Yahcubs777 · Mar 3, 2021

presidente said:

Saul paul was called the apostle to the gentiles, I am a jew. He is not my apostle, he is the least in the kingdom.
You claimed that you will inherit the transfigured body, yet your apostle said: blood cannot inherit the kingdom of GOD; neither does corruption inherit incorruption. The corruption is the mortal state, the incorruption is the immortal body. How can you transfigure from mortality? That is why what you have not understood yet, is you must put off mortality first so that you can put on immortality. Like taking of your garment, to put on the garment of praise.

As Moses said but not very well: “Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.” You are either wearing one or the other. You cannot put on one, while you still have the other one on.

The message which you believe, is for the ghosts of the children of the kingdom in Abrahams Bosom, who do not have any mortal body to put off, who are resurrected, and baptized again into the body they had, and that body is then quickened (meaning transfigured) at the resurrection. It is not so for those in the earth that did not put off mortality first.

Please, don't be offended by what i am about to say. But I really do not desire to continue with people that have not even started to understand, or seen a reason to seek, not only who the Son of GOD is, but also the signs of the times; the times of the restitution of all things. I don't mean this to be rude at all, but we are on a journey, and what is transporting us to Jericho is the Words from GOD; these wonderful Revelations. Unlike Moses who circled the wilderness for 40 years, we are on a strait and narrow path, for the Words from GOD cannot lead one into the wilderness, neither does the Most Holy Spirit of GOD lead one into the wilderness.

It is true, the revelations i revealed to you are not easy to catch, they are Spiritual and Life giving, and are impossible to understand with the carnal mind; with the brain of the mortal body. That is why it is the Spirit Being, that can understand and to get to that point, you first need to acquire the correct mindset; the renewal of your mind.

That is why when nimrod cush tried to do it, it led to him to building a tower that will reach GOD, and that tower of babel is what landed him in confusion. How did they know about it? Because they saw Enoch do it. And the reason why it is difficult to understand is because we have already travelled far and it is difficult to go back to the start to explain it. in fact, what i shared is foundational, it is pre-school level. it is the very beginning. If you were not able to catch this, then you will not catch up to us. Compared to where you are, we have travelled very far. We are already on topics that are very very deep, that you wouldn't even think of. I should have taken that into consideration before i shared this here.

You don't know this, but there will come a time when procreation must stop, and that is when all the children of the kingdom have been sent into this earth; all the children of the kingdom from the fall, to the last generation of the saints. Thus everyone still giving birth at that time, shall give birth to tares only. And that as we journey to Jericho, we will not need to eat or drink very much at all, and at Jericho not at all. This is how Noah lived a year in the ARK with his family, and did not slaughter any animal for food. And there will also come a time when the doors to the ARK shall be shut, and no person will be able to board. This is the time when our evangelism shall stop. Just as Noah stopped preaching at a time, closed the door to the ARK, and then the floods came. And the people outside could not board anymore, the same is true again. That is why we are told to seek HIM while HE may be found.

For the ARK is the immortal celestial body that we are putting on in life gradually, and that is a baptizm into the immortal body, and when that has been done, no person can achieve that again. And the flood that is coming is the rain of revelations, the waters of life, that will not only immortalise our physical body, but also transfigure the earth into a celestial planet.

As Moses said:

19 And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.

And then shall come to pass what is written:

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

If you be a child of the kingdom, and you do not join us on this journey at any point in our journey, and you do not make it to jericho, we will meet again at the resurrection. Have a wonderful day, for the night has passed.

presidente · Mar 5, 2021

Yahcubs777 said:

Are you from an ethnic group that historically identified as Jewish? Or did your teacher tell you that you are Jewish and you did not know it before?

Jesus sent Paul also to bear witness to His people Israel. You have a problem with following Peter's teaching and example on water baptism, and he went to the circumcision to minister.

Straw man. The bolded part you quote is from I Corinthians 15, which from a passage that continues on to say 'we shall be changed.' I do not believe our bodies, as they are now, become immortal. There is a transformation to be like Jesus. As for 'flesh and blood shall not inherit...', Jesus referred to His own body as having flesh and bones in Luke 24, after the resurrection. So we may have flesh, but not blood. But as for your conjecture about no internal organs, anuses, and electricity in the resurrected body, that seems like wild speculation to me. Maybe you could present some kind of allegorical interpretation again with some beyond-tenuous logic, like since Moses climbed the mountains twice, we won't have internal organs, or something along those lines.

I John 3:2 says,
Beloved, now we are the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be; but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.

There are some things we do not quite know yet. We know that the resurrected Christ could eat and they could touch him, so He wasn't just a ghost. But He could appear behind closed doors and appear in ways where they did not immediateliy recognize His appearance. He also ascended.

Jesus was transfigured before His crucifixion, so your terminology is a bit confusing.

When I read this, I think of this verse
Matthew 4:1
4 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

And the fact that Israel followed the pillar of cloud by day and pillar of fire by night in the wilderness. They were in the wilderness before that generation was forbidden to enter into the promised land because of their unbelief.

False doctrine is carnal, not spiritual. I agree that we need the Spirit of God to illuminate our minds to the word of God, and we need the light of the word of God to understand spiritual things. The issue is whether what you are promoting is spiritual or not, or several layers of misunderstanding, or some truth mixed with misunderstanding. I think it is the last option. Early on you rejected the practice of what we might call 'your apostle' Peter on water baptism. Why? Is it because you think your teacher knows spiritual things better than the apostle? That may be an issue-- your following a man who thinks he knows better than those to whom the Spirit has revealed truth. I cannot say this is the case, because I do not know him, and I have read your posts, not his. But I would encourage you to pray for discernment.

I also see the posturing here, trying to present yourself as the one with elite spiritual knowledge. You haven't convinced me with the false doctrine on baptism and the extreme allegorical interpretations.

GRACE_ambassador · Apr 22, 2021

TMS said:

Precious friend, thanks So Much. YOURS was the LAST post discussing "baptism"
Posts 95 - 367 {last 272!} WERE ALL WAY OFF of this Topic. Think IF I asked a moderator KINDLY that they Would DELETE all of them?

Precious friend, see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ ↑

Nebuchadnezzer · Apr 23, 2021

GRACE_ambassador said:

Baptism is an outward expression of an inward truth.
If you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart he was raised from the dead you will be saved.
After you reach this point you ought to want to get baptized to show an outward expression of an inward truth.
Baptism is a form of confession.

Infants cannot and do not confess anything.

There is a term Anabaptist which means re-baptizer.

Anabaptists saw two things:
1) that infant baptism is incorrect (it is a man-made ritual)
2) perhaps even more important they saw that infant baptism was baptism into a false or apostate Church (Church with a big C).

So they re-baptized themselves for these two reasons:
1) to make a personal confession of their faith through believer's baptism (full submersion)
2) rejection of the apostate Church in which they were once baptized into, and to make confession of their entry into the true church of Jesus Christ (church with a little c)

Today the waters have been muddied between infant baptism and believers baptism because a number of questionable sects have since arisen that have taken on believers baptism.

But make no mistake believer's baptism in full water submersion is the correct way to go.

oyster67 · Apr 23, 2021

Nebuchadnezzer said:

Baptism is an outward expression of an inward truth.
If you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart he was raised from the dead you will be saved.
After you reach this point you ought to want to get baptized to show an outward expression of an inward truth.
Baptism is a form of confession.

Infants cannot and do not confess anything.

There is a term Anabaptist which means re-baptizer.

Anabaptists saw two things:
1) that infant baptism is incorrect (it is a man-made ritual)
2) perhaps even more important they saw that infant baptism was baptism into a false or apostate Church (Church with a big C).

So they re-baptized themselves for these two reasons:
1) to make a personal confession of their faith through believer's baptism (full submersion)
2) rejection of the apostate Church in which they were once baptized into, and to make confession of their entry into the true church of Jesus Christ (church with a little c)

Today the waters have been muddied between infant baptism and believers baptism because a number of questionable sects have since arisen that have taken on believers baptism.

But make no mistake believer's baptism in full water submersion is the correct way to go.

...And then there is the most important kind of Baptism...

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit. This is given to all believers at the instant they are born again. This is the indwelling of He who comforts and gives understanding to all who listen to His voice.

Blackpowderduelist · Apr 23, 2021

There is no confusion the text is clear. There is only people who don't want you to believe what is written and there by have the promise of God.

GRACE_ambassador · Apr 23, 2021

Nebuchadnezzer said:

Precious friend, Thanks So Much for you valuable input. {staying on topic!}

I believe the baptism waters have been muddied between a yes or no answer
to the following question:

Does God Actually Require water baptism for The Body Of CHRIST, Today,
Under HIS Amazing GRACE?

My FULL study of ALL Bible baptisms Definitely shows me God's Answer = NO!

See you in God’s Great GloryLand! ↑ ♫

GRACE_ambassador · Apr 23, 2021

oyster67 said:

Precious friend, have not found baptism of the Holy Spirit, but have found:

Baptisms Scriptural Summary!:

Q: Does God Still Require water baptism, Today, Under HIS PURE GRACE?:

Prophecy/Law:
►►► The Twelve Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =
A) water, For remission of sins!:
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke_7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
+
B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)

Rightly Divided (2_Timothy_2:15 KJB!) From Things That Differ!:

Mystery/GRACE!:
►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,

Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; 1_Corinthians_12:13 KJB!)
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Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE {MOST Important}?
OR, EQUALS TWO?

Is it not Possible That God's Answer Of "No water baptism, for us Today," Under
HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely vanquishes Satan's Confusion into oblivion!?

Precious friend(s), Please Be Very RICHLY Blessed!

See you in God’s Great GloryLand! ↑ ♫

GRACE_ambassador · Apr 24, 2021

Blackpowderduelist said:

Precious friend, thanks for you valuable input. Several traditional
denominations disagree with your "no confusion" conclusion!

IF water baptism is Required By God, Today, Then which one is
THE "Clear Text" winner?:

(1) the one that believes the text is clear? believe AND be baptized
{i.e. immersion to contact their Christ's blood}

(2) the one that believes the text is clear? immersion with a
symbolic interpretation?

(3) the one that believes the text is clear? immersion ONCE
in the "name of Jesus?

(4) the one that believes the text is clear? immersion THRICE
in the "name of the Triune Godhead?

(5) the one that believes the text is clear? immersion {whether once
or thrice} for "membership" in their traditional assembly?

(6) the one that believes the text is clear? sprinkling water on babies
inducting them into religion washing away their original sin?

(7) the one that believes the text is clear? sprinkling water on babies
inducting them into some covenant?

(8) the one that believes the text is clear? sprinkling water on babies
inducting them into their parent's custody that they promise to raise
them right? {into Mass Confusion?}

(9) the one that believes the text is clear? sprinkling water on babies,
admitting that their ritual is UNscriptural, but "we do it anyway, because
it is OUR tradition!"?

(10) the one that believes the text is clear? pouring water onto babies or
adults for Whatever traditional reason religion "can come up with"?

(11) Any other "Clear Texts"(?) I haven't heard of yet?
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"God is NOT the author of Confusion!" Praise HIS Blessed Name!!

Imagine for a possible split-second twinkling-of-an-eye moment, IF:

God's Biblical Answer = "NO!" NOT Required, Today, Under GRACE!

Then what? NO Confusion?
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?See you in God’s Great GloryLand! ↑ ♫

oyster67 · Apr 24, 2021

GRACE_ambassador said:

Mark 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

Blackpowderduelist · Apr 24, 2021

GRACE_ambassador said:

Precious friend, thanks for you valuable input. Several traditional
denominations disagree with your "no confusion" conclusion!

IF water baptism is Required By God, Today, Then which one is
THE "Clear Text" winner?:

(1) the one that believes the text is clear? believe AND be baptized
{i.e. immersion to contact their Christ's blood}

(2) the one that believes the text is clear? immersion with a
symbolic interpretation?

(3) the one that believes the text is clear? immersion ONCE
in the "name of Jesus?

(4) the one that believes the text is clear? immersion THRICE
in the "name of the Triune Godhead?

(5) the one that believes the text is clear? immersion {whether once
or thrice} for "membership" in their traditional assembly?

(6) the one that believes the text is clear? sprinkling water on babies
inducting them into religion washing away their original sin?

(7) the one that believes the text is clear? sprinkling water on babies
inducting them into some covenant?

(8) the one that believes the text is clear? sprinkling water on babies
inducting them into their parent's custody that they promise to raise
them right? {into Mass Confusion?}

(9) the one that believes the text is clear? sprinkling water on babies,
admitting that their ritual is UNscriptural, but "we do it anyway, because
it is OUR tradition!"?

(10) the one that believes the text is clear? pouring water onto babies or
adults for Whatever traditional reason religion "can come up with"?

(11) Any other "Clear Texts"(?) I haven't heard of yet?
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"God is NOT the author of Confusion!" Praise HIS Blessed Name!!

Imagine for a possible split-second twinkling-of-an-eye moment, IF:

God's Biblical Answer = "NO!" NOT Required, Today, Under GRACE!

Then what? NO Confusion?
------------------------------------------------------
?See you in God’s Great GloryLand! ↑ ♫

Read all the texts in the bible old and new testament, apply normal literary comprehension methods and there you have it.
All those confusions are humans being human.

ResidentAlien · Apr 24, 2021

GRACE_ambassador said:

My answer to the title of your post is absolutely yes. I think God wants us to understand the role baptism plays in our salvation.

Hebrews 6:1-2 says: "Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment." The writer of Hebrews considers the doctrine of baptism one of the most elementary teachings. If we can't even figure this out what does it say about our state of affairs?

The whole problems lies in the area of justification vs. sanctification. We're justified by grace through faith. But the sanctification process begins with baptism. It's a necessary element of our salvation. We're not justified by it, but it's impossible to live a holy life without it.

Baptism isn't man's work. Yes, man goes into the water and is immersed. Man picks the time and place. But God's grace does the work of cleansing us. This too is by faith.

Reading the New Testament, it's very easy to see that baptism is much more important than simply a ceremonial expression of our faith. For example, Peter said at Pentecost: "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." He didn't say, repents and ask Jesus into your heart and you'll be born again—as one popular televangelist like to say.

GRACE_ambassador · Apr 24, 2021

oyster67 said:

Thanks, that's Exactly What I found = "WITH" But still have not found of. Be Blessed!

GRACE_ambassador · Apr 24, 2021

ResidentAlien said:

Thanks So Much for your valuable input. So, God Wants me to understand the role baptism "plays in my salvation"? Is it this?:

ResidentAlien said:

So, Definitely YES, God "Requires water baptism FOR the forgiveness of my sins" {FOR Justification!}, Today, Under GRACE! Correct?

throughfaith · Apr 25, 2021

ResidentAlien said:

My answer to the title of your post is absolutely yes. I think God wants us to understand the role baptism plays in our salvation.

Hebrews 6:1-2 says: "Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith in God, instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment." The writer of Hebrews considers the doctrine of baptism one of the most elementary teachings. If we can't even figure this out what does it say about our state of affairs?

The whole problems lies in the area of justification vs. sanctification. We're justified by grace through faith. But the sanctification process begins with baptism. It's a necessary element of our salvation. We're not justified by it, but it's impossible to live a holy life without it.

Baptism isn't man's work. Yes, man goes into the water and is immersed. Man picks the time and place. But God's grace does the work of cleansing us. This too is by faith.

Reading the New Testament, it's very easy to see that baptism is much more important than simply a ceremonial expression of our faith. For example, Peter said at Pentecost: "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." He didn't say, repents and ask Jesus into your heart and you'll be born again—as one popular televangelist like to say.

Its great that you see the implication of Acts 2.38 . BUT ! You miss the audience peter is speaking to and why .

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