Was Justice Served For George Floyd?

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Roughsoul1991

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GiveThanks said:
Floyd was a big guy. So what? Big guys dont feel pain, so you have to subject them to cruel and inhumane treatment?

Not only did he say he cant breathe, the big man cried out for his mama, and even then no mercy was shown. Even if floyd was lying when he said he couldnt breathe, Chauvin should have taken heed. Floyd did not have a gun or was going to escape from them or kill anyone. No need for such excessive force.

If in fact he had complained before about not being able to breathe, then all the more reason for the officer not to have put his knee on that man's neck.
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Big guy high on drugs who was resisting arrest, that is the key. Multiple videos showed he was not compliant from the start when he was in his car which was smaller than the police SUV that he claimed to claustrophobic.

Even if floyd was lying when he said he couldnt breathe, Chauvin should have taken heed. Floyd did not have a gun or was going to escape from them or kill anyone. No need for such excessive force.
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Cruel and inhumane of course can be defined. But I do agree the officers kept Floyd pinned for too long as he was no longer resisting.

Was this intent to kill or accidental due to negligence? Crying out for momma doesn't prove anything. His girlfriend admitted in court, Floyd called her momma.

If in fact he had complained before about not being able to breathe, then all the more reason for the officer not to have put his knee on that man's neck.
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Well, of course, this is debated even among experts and as just explained above. Where Chauvin's knee was, that is not an air choke. At best a blood choke but even then both veins needed to be compressed. As to why many believe it was the lethal dose of fentanyl that limits breathing.

But I do agree if he is no longer resisting, then they should have done something different as in have him sit up which would have covered their butts if he did eventually collapse from the drugs.
 
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But I do agree if he is no longer resisting, then they should have done something different as in have him sit up which would have covered their butts if he did eventually collapse from the drugs.
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I thank you.

Chauvin has had reports of excessive force against him in the past, and yet he remained in his position. When it is investigated and proven that officers have a history of excessive force when it isn't warrented, let them pack their bags and go.

This should be one of the reforms that should come about as a result of these cases.
 
p_rehbein

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IMO the Officer was guilty of killing Floyd. What Legal terminology used to describe his guilt does not bother me.

He should be punished for his crime.

Oddly, the people (BLM) out west who went on a break in/vandalize/steal and burn rampage to protest will probably NEVER be punished for their crimes. Just the way it is these days in the United Socialist States of America.
 
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Of course, now days until we see the evidence we cannot determine how accurate the news is.
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Even if we see evidence it does not convince many. This country is so far gone we are divided when the truth stares us in the face, like in Ohio right now,

I am seriously worried for my country and my grandkids
 
Roughsoul1991

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eternally-gratefull said:
Even if we see evidence it does not convince many. This country is so far gone we are divided when the truth stares us in the face, like in Ohio right now,

I am seriously worried for my country and my grandkids
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Well, one ideology will prevail. We will see.
 
Dude653

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No other country on the planet....
America... Let's give law enforcement officers the absolute bare minimum training and then entrust with a badge and a gun
What could possibly go wrong?
 
tourist

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p_rehbein said:
IMO the Officer was guilty of killing Floyd. What Legal terminology used to describe his guilt does not bother me.

He should be punished for his crime.

Oddly, the people (BLM) out west who went on a break in/vandalize/steal and burn rampage to protest will probably NEVER be punished for their crimes. Just the way it is these days in the United Socialist States of America.
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That police officer was definitely guilty of killing Floyd along with his accomplices who stood by and did nothing. He will indeed be punished for his crime. "Back in the USSA...". No, I believe that's wrong but your point well taken.
 
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Dude653 said:
No other country on the planet....
America... Let's give law enforcement officers the absolute bare minimum training and then entrust with a badge and a gun
What could possibly go wrong?
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When the police departments in the USSA are defunded there will no longer be in issue with training. I believe that you will find a direct correlation between reduced or elimination of police departments with an increase of private ownership gun sales.
 
Dude653

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tourist said:
When the police departments in the USSA are defunded there will no longer be in issue with training. I believe that you will find a direct correlation between reduced or elimination of police departments with an increase of private ownership gun sales.
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Here's an idea
Stop funneling money into the pointless war on drugs
Just build a huge fire and shovel money into it. You will get the same effect
Instead put that money towards police reform
 
tourist

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Dude653 said:
Here's an idea
Stop funneling money into the pointless war on drugs
Just build a huge fire and shovel money into it. You will get the same effect
Instead put that money towards police reform
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I agree. The war on drugs was an exercise in futility. Those using illicit drugs should not be prosecuted. Police reform is sorely in need as well as effective training in the proper use of force, deadly or otherwise. Defunding the police would be an exercise in futility as well and a tremendous disservice to society as a whole.
 
Roughsoul1991

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Dude653 said:
No other country on the planet....
America... Let's give law enforcement officers the absolute bare minimum training and then entrust with a badge and a gun
What could possibly go wrong?
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I noticed we are speaking of this as fact. So is it all of America or just some districts? And do we have any data on police training? Any data to compare against the world also?
 
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Dude653 said:
No other country on the planet....
America... Let's give law enforcement officers the absolute bare minimum training and then entrust with a badge and a gun
What could possibly go wrong?
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Simple as this, PAY THEM!! "King" James makes how much a year? For dribbling a ball? Seriously people.
 
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tourist said:
I agree. The war on drugs was an exercise in futility. Those using illicit drugs should not be prosecuted. Police reform is sorely in need as well as effective training in the proper use of force, deadly or otherwise. Defunding the police would be an exercise in futility as well and a tremendous disservice to society as a whole.
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You can train night and day, but in split second decisions, you have to make a choice. A young woman is going to stab another, split second, what do you do? It's just not that simple.
 
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kaylagrl said:
You can train night and day, but in split second decisions, you have to make a choice. A young woman is going to stab another, split second, what do you do? It's just not that simple.
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I agree with you in that it is not so simple. Yes, police officers in certain situations have to make split second decisions as to the proper course of action to protect themselves and those that they are sworn to protect.
 
Dude653

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Roughsoul1991 said:
I noticed we are speaking of this as fact. So is it all of America or just some districts? And do we have any data on police training? Any data to compare against the world also?
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It's going to vary from state to state but just as a part of reference, it takes more hours of training to get a beautician's license in California then it does to become a police officer
 
Dude653

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tourist said:
I agree with you in that it is not so simple. Yes, police officers in certain situations have to make split second decisions as to the proper course of action to protect themselves and those that they are sworn to protect.
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I kind of feel like we should just decriminalize street drugs except maybe meth
It just seems like a waste of money to lock people up over non-violent drug offences
 
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Dude653 said:
I kind of feel like we should just decriminalize street drugs except maybe meth
It just seems like a waste of money to lock people up over non-violent drug offences
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Total waste of money rather than using the money for prevention and treatment.
 
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