50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord
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"Then we, the living remaining, will be caught away together with them in the clouds for the meeting of the Lord in the air; and so [/thus / in this manner] we will be always with [*UNIONed-with] the Lord." 1Th4:17 (sounds to me like the "marriage" happens when we go for "the meeting of the Lord IN THE AIR")
[*"G4862 - syn - 'UNIONed-with'"... and DISTINCT from the "with" word used in Matt25:10 of the "5 [PLURAL] VirginS" who will go "in with [G3326 - accompanying] Him to the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" (i.e. the earthly MK age at is commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth... see again Lk12:36 and context "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding...")]
[*"G4862 - syn - 'UNIONed-with'"... and DISTINCT from the "with" word used in Matt25:10 of the "5 [PLURAL] VirginS" who will go "in with [G3326 - accompanying] Him to the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" (i.e. the earthly MK age at is commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth... see again Lk12:36 and context "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding...")]
In view of what I had put in my Post #963...
...am I correct in assuming that you EQUATE "the Bride / Wife [SINGULAR]" with the "10 [or even 5] VirginS [PLURAL]" of the Matthew 25:1-13,10 passage??
IOW, in the Matt25 parable Jesus gave, do you believe He was illustrating who He would be coming "TO MARRY," in that context??
["10 or 5 VirginS [PLURAL]" ??]
...am I correct in assuming that you EQUATE "the Bride / Wife [SINGULAR]" with the "10 [or even 5] VirginS [PLURAL]" of the Matthew 25:1-13,10 passage??
IOW, in the Matt25 parable Jesus gave, do you believe He was illustrating who He would be coming "TO MARRY," in that context??
["10 or 5 VirginS [PLURAL]" ??]
I'm asking you if you believe (in Matt25:1-13,10) that this parable was given by Jesus to illustrate WHO He will be coming "TO MARRY" ??
("10 or 5 virginS [PLURAL]"??)
Is this CONTEXT illustrating "THE MARRIAGE" (to "5 virginS [PLURAL]"), in your view ??
[note to the readers: Rev19:7 and Rev19:9 DISTINGUISHES them!
]
("10 or 5 virginS [PLURAL]"??)
Is this CONTEXT illustrating "THE MARRIAGE" (to "5 virginS [PLURAL]"), in your view ??
[note to the readers: Rev19:7 and Rev19:9 DISTINGUISHES them!
]
About 8 or so years ago i realized all end times dynamics have as a theme and purpose of the bride, groom, union , and wedding/ wedding feast/ in heaven.
I see all end times through that prism.
After that I see another focus and purpose .
The throne of David. With Jesus sitting on it.
Almost no one see this.
Vco and maybe one or 2 others see it.
I see all end times through that prism.
After that I see another focus and purpose .
The throne of David. With Jesus sitting on it.
Almost no one see this.
Vco and maybe one or 2 others see it.
The perk of facing reality that the (Man Of Sin/Antichrist) will be revealed to the world and Church, while the pre-tribbers feet are still on this earth watching
The ole weak argument of invoking dead men.
Sorry friend ,those corpses can not prop up a failed extra biblical doctrine.
Get the jettisoned verses back on the table.
Ask yourself why is invoking dead men my obsession?
Red flags big time.
....while ignoring your doctrine ORIGINATED trough men that saw ALL END TIMES through the prism of a destroyed israel and scattered people.
Psssst ...israels re establishment reset end times doctrine.
Only a handful of pretribbers saw through the illusion.
Sorry friend ,those corpses can not prop up a failed extra biblical doctrine.
Get the jettisoned verses back on the table.
Ask yourself why is invoking dead men my obsession?
Red flags big time.
....while ignoring your doctrine ORIGINATED trough men that saw ALL END TIMES through the prism of a destroyed israel and scattered people.
Psssst ...israels re establishment reset end times doctrine.
Only a handful of pretribbers saw through the illusion.
The (Catching Up/Rapture) is seen below, Post Trib, Second Coming, Last Day Resurrection, Final Judgement
The main scripture used by supporters of the Pre-Trib Rapture teaching is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a Pre-Trib rapture, don't be deceived
1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% yes!
2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% yes!
3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% yes!
Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.
(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)
John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)
John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
The main scripture used by supporters of the Pre-Trib Rapture teaching is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a Pre-Trib rapture, don't be deceived
1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% yes!
2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% yes!
3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% yes!
Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.
(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)
John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)
John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
Big Smiles!
There is only one covenant between God and Man, the shed blood upon Calvary, repentance and salvation
You espouse (Dual Covenant Theology) in (Christian Zionism) a false teaching of John N. Darby 1850's and Popularized by Adulterer C.I. Scofield's reference bible of 1909 better known as (Dispensationalism)
There is only one covenant between God and Man, the shed blood upon Calvary, repentance and salvation
You espouse (Dual Covenant Theology) in (Christian Zionism) a false teaching of John N. Darby 1850's and Popularized by Adulterer C.I. Scofield's reference bible of 1909 better known as (Dispensationalism)
Well, the "Amill-teachings" say that Peter is saying (in Acts 3, etc) that "David's throne" has been RELOCATED now, UP TO Heaven.
NOT Peter's point; but the "Amill-teachings" miss this because they blur together [/do not DISTINGUISH] the TWO "raise" aspects spoken of by Peter in Acts 3
(one 'raise' aspect BEFORE His death ['raise' to a position of prominence BEFORE His death--i.e. '[raise...] A PROPHET like unto' Moses]; the other 'raise' aspect AFTER His death ['raise' from the dead])
NOT Peter's point; but the "Amill-teachings" miss this because they blur together [/do not DISTINGUISH] the TWO "raise" aspects spoken of by Peter in Acts 3
(one 'raise' aspect BEFORE His death ['raise' to a position of prominence BEFORE His death--i.e. '[raise...] A PROPHET like unto' Moses]; the other 'raise' aspect AFTER His death ['raise' from the dead])
So not scripture is only an assumption.
Why not rather just believe what is written?
19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: [This shows WHERE]
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
[the time has come, right then. One would have to twist to make is say "later" or somewhere else.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. [the time for marriage supper is AFTER the marriage ceremony. This shows us that the marriage has already taken place.]
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Have you not read personal testimonies from people who have been to heaven and SEEN with their own eyes the preparations for the marriage supper? Several people have testified of seeing tables prepared, with name tags on each chair, as far as the eye can see along the river of life. Others have testified that they were told the preparations are finished: heaven is just waiting for the Bride. Since these testimonies agree with what is written, why not believe them?
My axiom on Revelation:
ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong.
You want to move the marriage and supper to after ARmageddon - and on earth instead of in heaven? Your theory WILL BE proven wrong.
Why not rather just believe what is written?
19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: [This shows WHERE]
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
[the time has come, right then. One would have to twist to make is say "later" or somewhere else.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. [the time for marriage supper is AFTER the marriage ceremony. This shows us that the marriage has already taken place.]
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Have you not read personal testimonies from people who have been to heaven and SEEN with their own eyes the preparations for the marriage supper? Several people have testified of seeing tables prepared, with name tags on each chair, as far as the eye can see along the river of life. Others have testified that they were told the preparations are finished: heaven is just waiting for the Bride. Since these testimonies agree with what is written, why not believe them?
My axiom on Revelation:
ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given chronology is immediately suspect and WILL BE proven wrong.
You want to move the marriage and supper to after ARmageddon - and on earth instead of in heaven? Your theory WILL BE proven wrong.