Because Pentecostalism is made up of many difficult types of churches in different countries, which branch of Pentecostalism are you talking about?
Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?
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He doesn't know the term pentecostal means one who identifies with the experience found in Acts chapter 2. That is all.
Here is my book that shows the difference between signs and wonders produced by the Holy Spirit in support of the Gospel of Christ, and the false signs and wonders you are talking about in your post.
I looked the verses up in my Calvin's commentary on 1 Corinthians and he says exactly that. He says that the gifts are present to compensate for our weaknesses, but they will cease when we die because we will be leaving our weaknesses behind, and the final cessation will be at the Day of Judgment when the church age is wound up.
Those playing the religious game and finding their personal identity by serving their religious party will pour criticism and hatred on those who don't walk their party line.
Those who are content just to walk with the Lord in the Spirit, know that because the Lord unconditionally loves us, they follow Him in loving others regardless of their particular stage in their spiritual journey.
This is the error that Pentecostalism promotes. EVERY CHILD OF GOD HAS BEEN BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.
The gift of the Spirit is given to each one who repents and believes on the Lord Jesus Christ. During the apostolic period, some Christians were given the spiritual gift of tongues. But not all spoke in tongues. Today's "tongues" are not specific supernaturally spoken foreign languages. They are essentially babblings.
The Greek words glossa, dialektos and glossais should strictly be translated today as "languages" or "dialects". Some translations have done this.
....who is worked up? Or maybe me yes, at the blatant lies held onto by pentecostals in search for meaning through emotionalism’s lies about there being any practical use for a christian to use pagan babble and such? The real question is, if ne needs emotionalism's lies? Me questions their being saved in the 1st place and so that angers me too at satan fooling so many in their service to self and thinking disrespecting the Holy Spirit is looked kindly upon by God? Shows a total lack of understanding of what our Creator’s personality and desires for us is/are.
The truth of the word always stings the deceived who want to stay as such because they fear what they see as the unknow, better to stay in a situation damming an eternal soul than look to see if what they are doing is actually what God want’s from us.
Ok, blah, blah, but Paul is admonishing you in using pagan nonsensical gibberish via the use of singular vs plural and you are just skipping over that for starts? We can did into all your points here but let’s stay with the 1st one of pagan babble and it’s not being a known language of mankind. Then, the tongues were for a judgement against the jews and that the scriptures were now not being taught in hebrew but now our languages.....i love what Joni has to say on your false religion’s desires to find meaning in healings....
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...=&form=VDSHOT&shth=OSH.LmmoOjElLMJMeOWGm9o6yg
...and again, i do hate the father of lies and how he has so many locked-up in emotionalism’s lies through these deceptions he loves to seduce with....just like Eve in the garden are the one’s who want to believe the lie for their own selfish desires sake and building oneself up through a system of emotional trip’n.
The baptism is not the same as the new birth, everybody receives the Holy Spirit as you say but not all are baptized in Him.
Corrie ten Boom was a soul winner for decades but she relates that she experienced the baptism in 1968 just prior to her outreach to Russia.
D.L. Moody also was in the ministry many years in Chicago, pursued by two dear ladies who knew he was missing something ... they caught up with him and his ministry was transformed.
C. H.
Spurgeon mourned at the lack of experience among christians and encouraged folk to seek the rivers of living waters that should flow out of their belly.
The plain fact is that many, many christians do not experience the Holy Spirit as they should.
The first step to receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit is to desire Him.
....but your faith system is not based on accepted christian doctrine but makes it’s own and new rules that can only be seen elsewhere in pagan emotional rituals. How do you possibly justify using that or any name associated with pentecostal emotional mayhem and charismatic chaos.’if you are a stable christian not blown about by these shifting winds of pentecostalism? How can you possibly have anything to do with the group that all falls under pentecostal? They are all based on lies, why would you stand by under the name used by a movement that twists God’s word?
Yes the devil can bring fire down from heaven mebbe, but he can't open the eyes of the blind. if he could do stuff like that he would have copied Christ and the apostle
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a good tree produces good fruit
an evil tree produces evil fruit
Jesus said this in relation to the charge by the Pharisees that He did His miracles by beelzebub.
I fully believe in the Gifts Of The Holy Spirit For Today, However The Pentecostal Movement Is Way Out In Left Field Concerning Using The Gifts
Rolling On The Floor, Crawling Around Like A Dog, Mass Hysteria In Chaos (Fact) And This Applies To A Large Portion That Are Named (Pentecostals)
You may believe in the gifts, but you perpetuate falsehoods. How about you present some actual evidence supporting your slander. One or two examples won't cut it.
I became a Christian through a Pentecostal church. And by chance a group I joined was a Pentecostal group. So my earliest Christian years were formed by these beliefs. And at the time I didn't really understand denominations.
I think back and can recall various times I had first experiences related to Pentecostalism and how often my first instinct was to have a negative response. Discomfort. Even fear at times.
I also remember a lot of guilt in this denomination. It seems to be a central theme.
Another issue is, as another user referred to, chasing the emotional high of the "Holy Spirit". These sorts of things lead me to be angry, insecure and always wondering what was wrong with my and why I wasn't good enough in God's eyes if I didn't experience it.
At times I even felt pressured to pretend to be experiencing things when in reality I felt nothing at all.
When I finally understood and made the choice to walk away from these beliefs I felt a huge weight lift off my shoulders. Guilt began to subside. God didn't feel distant. I no longer felt a need to chase an emotional response to "feel saved".
And due to my own experiences, whether "real" or not, it began having a negative effect on my dad's spiritual walk. He, too, began chasing after the "slain in the spirit" feeling, having never felt it before. He began even seeming to be jealous of what was going on in my life, spiritually. And as he again and again lacked these spiritual events in his life, he felt doubt, shame, guilt, etc... same as I did.
I also recall all the false prophets and fake healers being brought in to speak to the church.
And I have since had conversations with others that left this denomination and charismatic beliefs as a whole, whose stories sound nearly identical.
So give all the thumbs down and red x's you want. I became thoroughly convinced that charismatic movements are mentally, spiritually and emotionally damaging. And I've never read a single scripture to refute that. And, in fact, it was scripture that helped me come to this conclusion.
I think back and can recall various times I had first experiences related to Pentecostalism and how often my first instinct was to have a negative response. Discomfort. Even fear at times.
I also remember a lot of guilt in this denomination. It seems to be a central theme.
Another issue is, as another user referred to, chasing the emotional high of the "Holy Spirit". These sorts of things lead me to be angry, insecure and always wondering what was wrong with my and why I wasn't good enough in God's eyes if I didn't experience it.
At times I even felt pressured to pretend to be experiencing things when in reality I felt nothing at all.
When I finally understood and made the choice to walk away from these beliefs I felt a huge weight lift off my shoulders. Guilt began to subside. God didn't feel distant. I no longer felt a need to chase an emotional response to "feel saved".
And due to my own experiences, whether "real" or not, it began having a negative effect on my dad's spiritual walk. He, too, began chasing after the "slain in the spirit" feeling, having never felt it before. He began even seeming to be jealous of what was going on in my life, spiritually. And as he again and again lacked these spiritual events in his life, he felt doubt, shame, guilt, etc... same as I did.
I also recall all the false prophets and fake healers being brought in to speak to the church.
And I have since had conversations with others that left this denomination and charismatic beliefs as a whole, whose stories sound nearly identical.
So give all the thumbs down and red x's you want. I became thoroughly convinced that charismatic movements are mentally, spiritually and emotionally damaging. And I've never read a single scripture to refute that. And, in fact, it was scripture that helped me come to this conclusion.
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Blackpowderduelist
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Youre jumping in late to a conversation that has been going on.
I explained to him my experiences, I used to be non-denominational/ Pentecostal and have been to more than just a few churches across several states. He said his church was different and that there are some different than my experience, I asked him to post a link to some of them or even one of them being different to which he said see Paul in acts.
So thanks for jumping in d not flowing a conversation and making assumptions.
You became a christian through the Pentecostal movement, you and half of America, they are one of the few churches that are saving souls. All Africa has emerged out of the dark ages through the witness of the Pentecostalists ... they are now sending missionaries to England. India is opening it's doors after all these centuries. China is being swept by the Holy Spirit.
I see the same things you do in the western Pentecostal movement, I think it is important to not desert the field but to stay and fight.
There are plenty of good balanced Pentecostal assemblies ... nobody has to chase wildfire.
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Blackpowderduelist
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I asked him to give am example of one doing different than the mainstream ken copeland type but he refused. So we'll there ya go. If he would simply post a video from his church or a similar one there would be something to go on beside what I have witnessed and experienced and seen.