To all of you non flat earthers.

[SophieT]

They really are coming out of the woodwork.

Is this some kind of Covid side effect?

 

[wisebeardman]

Accordin to scripture the earth is flat with 4 corners,

Revelation 20:7-8 “And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.”

Isaiah 11:12 “And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.”

Quit reading things as LITERAL, for one what you are posting is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation.

2. ain't no flat earth, only a fool would believe that. planet is round just like the other planets and large moons.

3. I have watched the filmed video of rockets people have launched that have made it to 100K+ feet and you can see the curvature of the earth.

4. if earth was actually flat then you would be able to receive broadcast FM radio signals from Russia Australia and so on in the central USA, but you can't cause earth is round and VHF and higher signals travel line of sight. that is why FM radio and TV OTA signals drop out once you get x amount of distance from the transmitter site and why they need the tall towers to put the antennas on to cover the broadcast area they cover. Don't argue with me about it cause I AM A RF TECH and know how radio works.

5. again earth ain't flat cause if it was I could work the entire planet by RF Moon bounce, but you can't cause earth is round.

 

[SophieT]

"To hide God."

That is the motive.

To hide the truth.

I really do think He is hidden from some and they are busy proving it.

No wonder unsaved people think Christians are loooney. Some really are.

The earth is not flat. And it is also not hollow. Those descriptions are best left for the heads and minds of people that believe in such things.

 

[SophieT]

so, a planet is a kind of star.

Except that stars are gaseous globes burning at degrees that would incinerate you before you got anywhere near their mass.

God help us that people actually twist and massage the scriptures to convey their own false understanding and argue with people on the basis of fabrication and take themselves seriously while the world burns.

I don't think you can find a better example of self-congratulatory flatulence anywhere.

 

[GaryA]

They really are coming out of the woodwork.

Perhaps, they are coming from the four corners of the earth...?

 

[SophieT]

Know what Gary? I have no inclination to share your absurd ideas.

I pray you wake up.

Won't respond to you again.

 

[GaryA]

Except that stars are gaseous globes burning at degrees that would incinerate you before you got anywhere near their mass.

God help us that people actually twist and massage the scriptures to convey their own false understanding and argue with people on the basis of fabrication and take themselves seriously while the world burns.

I don't think you can find a better example of self-congratulatory flatulence anywhere.

Perhaps you can answer my post #96 ?

Perhaps someone has an answer to this conundrum?


Modern science will tell you that the gravitational "pull" of the moon will affect tides - not waves. There is a difference between the two. Waves are always present while the tides move 'in' and 'out'.

If you assume outright that tides occur because of the gravitational "pull" of the moon ( the conclusion of modern science ) -- and then, you go gather the data that modern science has provided -- and, you look at all of the tide cycle patterns everywhere on Earth compared to the position and path of the moon at every precise moment in the tide cycles ----- what will you discover and determine?

Do the patterns match the position and path of the moon?

If they do not match, what does that tell you?

It tells you that modern science is claiming something false.

If they do match, what does that tell you?

It tells you that modern science has built a theory that matches the observation.

And, if so -- does this automatically mean that the theory is true?

No - it does not.

Yet - this has become the 'core' of modern science -- a collection of theories that are specifically designed to match observation -- while not necessarily having any actual resemblance to the true nature of reality.

( Now - just keep that in mind... )



Does the "pull" of the moon affect the Great Lakes? the Dead Sea? other large bodies of water?

How about smaller bodies of water? How about that favorite lake you like to fish on?

How about the water in that cup you are holding at the picnic out by the lake?


We have all heard that "they say" the "pull" of the moon will [ even ] affect the water in our body / brain.

Really?

( Just think for a moment about the different amounts of water in the bodies of humans, animals, plants -- and other things and places where water is concentrated. How should the gravitational "pull" of the moon affect each of them, according to the amount of water and the particular nature of the manner in which it is 'concentrated'? )


Should 'gravity' have a greater "pull" on a larger amount of water or a smaller amount of water?


Modern science will tell you that the gravitational pull of everything is the same on everything else. ( i.e. - the gravitational pull of a bowling ball on everything else around it will be the same - modified by inverse-of-the-square-of-the-distance, etc. )


Why does the "pull" of the moon [ really ] only [ actually ] affect the oceans?


Why is it that -- while standing on the beach of an ocean watching the tide go 'in' and 'out' -- while also watching the water in a glass on a table on that beach remain perfectly still in the glass --- why is it that a force so enormous - enough to 'overcome' the gravitational "pull" of the Earth directly below the ocean from so great a distance out in space - that can move many Gazillions of gallons of water in the ocean - and "hold it up" ( "ocean tide swell", for lack of a better term ) continually ( Do you really understand just how much force would be required to do this? ) --- why is it that it has no effect on the water in the glass? or, the clouds that are between the moon and the ocean? or, the water droplets that are falling from those clouds?

You mean to tell me that the gravitational "pull" of the moon can "hold up" many Gazillions of gallons of water in an ocean while having no effect whatsoever on a raindrop that is falling from a cloud - that is between the moon and the ocean - down to that ocean surface...??????????

"You are kidding --- right???"


( Think in terms of a Gazillions-of-gallons-of-water 'drop' versus a single rain 'drop'. The supposed effect of the "pull" of the moon is that it is able to "lift up and hold up" - [ the weight of ] that G-drop - several feet - as / in a continual action... But, has no effect whatsoever on a single rain drop??? Are you with me so far? Now - just think about that for a while... )


Why doesn't the "pull" of the moon affect the water content of the atmosphere between it and the Earth?

You mean to tell me that the gravitational "pull" of the moon can "hold up" many Gazillions of gallons of water in an ocean while having no effect whatsoever on water vapor in the atmosphere...??????????

"You are kidding --- right???"


Any water vapor - in the atmosphere or anywhere else - that is not specifically being driven downward by the wind - should be rising upwards continually ( even slowly ) - right?

If we place water vapor in a bell jar - completely isolated - no wind currents at all - with the moon directly overhead -- will the water vapor rise upward until it reaches the 'hard' physical limit of the glass at the top of the bell jar?

Don't give me any crap about air pressure, blah blah blah, etc. ----- if the "pull" of the moon can "break" all of those physical laws out in the open ( where so many more / other physical laws come into play ) with the exceedingly-more-heavy oceans - then - it would absolutely have no problem whatsoever "sucking" the water vapor in the bell jar to the top of the bell jar.

The "fluid dynamics" of the liquid water in the oceans would be a much greater "foe" for the "pull" of the moon to overcome than would be the "fluid dynamics" of the water vapor in the bell jar.


These are the kinds of things you need to think about. Expand your awareness to the "bigger picture" of things.


And -- if you study this "opinion" of modern science carefully enough - utilizing the actual 'physics' that is behind the claim -- I believe that you will discover that the gravitational "pull" of the moon ( or the Earth or anything else ) will be much greater on water vapor than it will be on many Gazillions of gallons of water.

In other words, there would be a much greater 'resistance' to the "pull" of the moon from the localized physical properties of a larger amount of water than of a smaller amount of water.


Why does the "pull" of the moon affect the huge amounts of water so massively while having no effect whatsoever on the smaller amounts of water?


Here is another question to consider:


Does the "pull" of the moon affect anything other than water?


If not, then -- why not?


If it does, then -- what effects would there be from it?


( other liquids... gases... ? )


If the "pull" of the moon has such a great effect on the oceans --- why does it have no effect whatsoever on a butterfly or a soap bubble floating in air?

 

[Runningman]

Maybe four corners of the earth or four winds is a reference to north, south, east, and west or quadrants on the Earth. Wind doesn't have a corner so it stands to reason, at least in my mind, this is figurative language and not a reference to a literal corner.

Contextually, the four corners, four winds, ends of the Earth is just a way of saying from every direction or from everywhere.

What you really need is a verse that literally says the Earth is flat or spherical. The Bible does not confirm or deny the Earth is flat or spherical.


Ezekiel 37:9
9Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

Isaiah 43:5-6
5Fearnot: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;
6I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

Mark 13:27
27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Revelation 7:1
1And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

 

[GaryA]

I pray you wake up.

I did wake up.

I discovered that I have been lied to all my life about so many things.

I decided to trust the Word of God more than the word of man.

(I wrap my science around my Bible and not the other way around.)

That enabled me to see right through a lot of the web of lies that Satan has the whole world caught up in.

I have "escaped" the 'MATRIX' that still ensnares the majority of the people in the world today.

I pray that God will open the eyes of His people so that they may see the truth...

 

[GaryA]

What you really need is a verse that literally says the Earth is flat or spherical. The Bible does not confirm or deny the Earth is flat or spherical.

No, it is certainly not that cut-and-dried. However, the Bible does make "descriptive illustrations" that paint a picture of a stationary earth with a 'dome'/'canopy'/etc. above it.

And, there are some things in the Bible that are clearly indicated as being literal - such as stars falling to the earth - that should make anyone consider carefully what the Bible is really saying.

 

[Aidan1]

Have you tried to do an internet search on 'Flat Earth Map'???

(I have tried to add one to this post - but, alas, am not able to right now for some reason.)

Thank you, I did. Well, I suppose they convinced me not.

 

[Aidan1]

Accordin to scripture the earth is flat with 4 corners,

Revelation 20:7-8 “And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.”

Isaiah 11:12 “And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.”

As I said, not all scripture is to understand literal.
Ore can you show me this 4 corners?

 

[Hungry]

That’s amazing! We concluded from our flat earth Bible study not only is the earth flat, but it’s also a quadrilateral. Good work.

 

[posthuman]

"To hide God."

That is the motive.

To hide the truth.

God hides Himself.
have you read how Jesus came as a man?

 

[posthuman]

while everyone marveled at all the things which Jesus did, He said to His disciples,
“Let these words sink down into your ears, for the Son of Man is about to be betrayed into the hands of men.”
But they did not understand this saying, and it was hidden from them so that they did not perceive it; and they were afraid to ask Him about this saying.
(Luke 9:43-45)​

 

[Moses_Young]

I did wake up.

I discovered that I have been lied to all my life about so many things.

I decided to trust the Word of God more than the word of man.

(I wrap my science around my Bible and not the other way around.)

That enabled me to see right through a lot of the web of lies that Satan has the whole world caught up in.

I have "escaped" the 'MATRIX' that still ensnares the majority of the people in the world today.

I pray that God will open the eyes of His people so that they may see the truth...

Proverbs 26:12

"Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him."

Some folk are too conceited to be convinced, even when they are staring at the evidence.

 

[PC123]

@GaryA ... How have u been?
A new flat earth thread I see...

I haven't read any of it I just want to ask if you could show me where the north and south poles are on the flat earth map

 

[GaryA]

@GaryA ... How have u been?

Still here...

How about you?

 

[surfer14]

@GaryA ,
I haven't seen a good explanation for why the sun appears to come up in the AM and go down in the PM. I would think if it's a flat earth that the sun would appear to just get bigger and bigger in the AM rather than stay the same size while appearing to "rise". What is the flat earth explanation for that?

Thanks for your time.

 

[Dino246]

@GaryA ,
I haven't seen a good explanation for why the sun appears to come up in the AM and go down in the PM. I would think if it's a flat earth that the sun would appear to just get bigger and bigger in the AM rather than stay the same size while appearing to "rise". What is the flat earth explanation for that?

To which you will likely get some second-hand bafflegab that contradicts observable reality.