Are WOMEN Pastors Biblical??

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cv5 said:
It's not a question of equality. It's a matter of obedience to the command of Christ and the order He has handed to the Church so disseminated by the Apostles. And these orders handed down are that there shall be no women pastors, and that women shall not have authority over the man.
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Yes 100% Correct!

As the evil liberal actions of man, and the spirit of darkness, desire and work to overthrow Gods Church order in disobedience.

Should we be surprised these actions are at a time when the world is killing 60 million annually (Abortion)?

Homosexuality in same sex marriage, as they fill pulpits, as many apostate denominations bow to the evils of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Defund the policing authority, instituted by God?
 
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Truth7t7 said:
Your catching on,scripture clearly teaches a woman is to be silent in the churc,and notusurp authority over the man

A Bishop/Pastor/Deacon is to be a man,the husband of one wife, ruling his house well
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well Paul was a Pastor/bishop, and he was not married.

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I guess that freedom in Christ is reserved for the guys.
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It is sad because those churches that misunderstood what Paul intended and ban their women from teaching the bible or speaking under the anointing of the Spirit in various speaking gifts are not being built up by these individual members of the body as God intended. An entire chapter 1 Cor 12 is not trumped by one misunderstood verse. But I think that in a way this is also God's plan, it makes it easier to identify those who are infected (even given over) to the leaven of the Pharisees.
 
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I would like to look again at a preacher who preached Christ when he was a baby, the prophetess Anna. Luke 2:36 "And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;"
Luke 2:37 "And she was a widow of about fourscore and four years, which departed not from the temple, but served God with fastings and prayers night and day."
Luke 2:38 "And she coming in that instant gave thanks likewise unto the Lord, and spake of him to all them that looked for redemption in Jerusalem."

here the word, "Spake" is the Greek word,
G2980 λαλέω laleo (lal-ye'-ō) v.
to talk, i.e. speak words.
[a prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb]
KJV: preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter

as one can see this word by the KJV can be translated as "PREACH", and prophets do PREACH.

the bible is full of women preachers. and prophets are ORDAINED in God CHURCH.

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There is no indication here that she was asserting authority over men.
No........Paul's commands are crystal-clear on the matter. Ignore them at your peril.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
As the evil liberal actions of man, and the spirit of darkness, desire and work to overthrow Gods Church order in disobedience.
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well now, speaking of EVIL, lets discuss if the apostle Paul was a Bishop, meaning a Pastor, which is an Overseerer. do you agree that Paul was a Pastor/Bishop? yes or no.

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I guess that freedom in Christ is reserved for the guys.
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Good call. Then again, most men read of Circumcision in the Bible, and think that it's specifically about them. Nope. Jesus Circumcises the Hearts of all humans. It is the Circumcision of Christ that qualifies us . . . nothing else. :)
 
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cv5 said:
There is no indication here that she was asserting authority over men.
No........Paul's commands are crystal-clear on the matter. Ignore them at your peril.
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thanks for the reply, why are you always trying to inject women authority over men as if it's a competition between men and women?. remember it's only ONE authority in the Church, the HEAD the Lord Jesus. what are you so afraid of?. I have notice that twice in your response.

if anyone have any authority it's the Lord Jesus.

now back to Anna, did she PREACH?

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101G said:
thanks for the reply, but I must disagree. a pastor is a Gift of God, and it's for men and women. the obedance come in at ... unto the Lord.

I would like to ask one thing, "What are men scared of if a woman tells you something to do to save your LIFE?".

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You consistently deal in theoretical constructs of your own whimsy. The Scripturally declared commands however maintain something completely different from what you imagine. Furthermore in terms of evidence there is no documented recorded instance of a woman pastor/bishop/elder in the Apostolic Church or the early Church, consistently for hundreds of years. They were neither confused NOR DISOBEDIENT about what Paul had to say nor am I.
 
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It is sad because those churches that misunderstood what Paul intended and ban their women from teaching the bible or speaking under the anointing of the Spirit in various speaking gifts are not being built up by these individual members of the body as God intended. An entire chapter 1 Cor 12 is not trumped by one misunderstood verse. But I think that in a way this is also God's plan, it makes it easier to identify those who are infected (even given over) to the leaven of the Pharisees.
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(Those who Are Infected) given over to the leaven of the Pharisees? :eek:

Strong words for a person who openly defies Gods clear words in disobedience, and your not alone.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 Timothy 3:-3-5KJV
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
 
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Truth7t7 said:
(Those who Are Infected) given over to the leaven of the Pharisees? :eek:

Strong words for a person who openly defies God's clear words in disobedience, and your not alone.

Silence, Subjection, Obedience

1 Timothy 2:11-14KJV
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35KJV
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
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Why couldn't Paul be struggling with reverting back to the Laws of Moses just as Peter did in Galatians chapter 2?

If you recall, Christianity was developed, somewhat "hit and miss." They had to figure out parts of it on their own.
 
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You consistently deal in theoretical constructs of your own whimsy. The Scripturally declared commands however maintain something completely different from what you imagine. Furthermore in terms of evidence there is no documented recorded instance of a woman pastor/bishop/elder in the Apostolic Church or the early Church, consistently for hundreds of years. They were neither confused NOR DISOBEDIENT about what Paul had to say nor am I.
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thanks for the reply, but maybe you're following the wrong church and it's documents. for the bible is clear, there is no respect of person in him. and if he only choose men for these offices then God have respect, (and I know that is not true). so I reject your assessment of the scriptures.

it was the same way with Jews toward the Gentiles, God is only for the Jews, well God had to teach Peter he was no, Acts 10:34 "Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:"
Acts 10:35 "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him."

well I guess it will take a little longer for a vision as Peter had to get before he was convinced. but I'll be praying for you all... (smile).

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It's really a mute point. Women preach, teach and pastor and no one is going to stop them. The Spirit has moved on.
 
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101G said:
thanks for the reply, why are you always trying to inject women authority over men as if it's a competition between men and women?. remember it's only ONE authority in the Church, the HEAD the Lord Jesus. what are you so afraid of?. I have notice that twice in your response.

if anyone have any authority it's the Lord Jesus.

now back to Anna, did she PREACH?

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Ah yes. AUTHORITY. HEADSHIP. Well since you brought it up......
I beg of you all: do not rebel from the command of Christ.

1Tim 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1 Cor 11:2-3
Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you.
But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
 
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cv5 said:
It's not a question of equality. It's a matter of obedience to the command of Christ and the order He has handed to the Church so disseminated by the Apostles. And these orders handed down are that there shall be no women pastors
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Which verse is that? It seems to be missing from my Bible... and every Bible I've seen.
 
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