When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

[posthuman]

Ezra 9:6-11
And I said: "O my God, I am too ashamed and humiliated to lift up my face to You, my God; for our iniquities have risen higher than [our] heads, and our guilt has grown up to the heavens. Since the days of our fathers to this day we [have been] very guilty, and for our iniquities we, our kings, [and] our priests have been delivered into the hand of the kings of the lands, to the sword, to captivity, to plunder, and to humiliation, as [it is] this day. And now for a little while grace has been [shown] from the LORD our God, to leave us a remnant to escape, and to give us a peg in His holy place, that our God may enlighten our eyes and give us a measure of revival in our bondage. For we [were] slaves. Yet our God did not forsake us in our bondage; but He extended mercy to us in the sight of the kings of Persia, to revive us, to repair the house of our God, to rebuild its ruins, and to give us a wall in Judah and Jerusalem. And now, O our God, what shall we say after this? For we have forsaken Your commandments, which You commanded by Your servants the prophets, saying, 'The land which you are entering to possess is an unclean land, with the uncleanness of the peoples of the lands, with their abominations which have filled it from one end to another with their impurity.

 

[posthuman]

Is that too many words for you phoneman?

Short version: the people were still defiled and disobedient even when He brought them back from Babylon.

And as has been pointed out to you several times, it was God's sovereign 70 year predetermined time period of exile. The return had nothing whatsoever to do with the exercise of their free will overriding God's own purpose.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"All the promises to the fathers are Yea and are Amen in Christ" and are for Spiritual Israel, the Christian church.

Please show me in the passages I gave how that belongs to spiritual Israel.

As usual. You totally ignore the verses I gave.

Also. If that is for spiritual Israel. WHy are we not living in that land now with all the blessings God promised us.

Go ahead. Show me

 

[Evmur]

Then disprove it. Find that chapter and verse which sets a precedent for God returning to the land in 1948 "Israelites" who have never repented from what got them scattered to begin with.

Stop with the "group think" and start thinking for yourself, because the crowd has never been right. They drowned in Noah's day, crucified God's prophets in the days of ancient Israel, nailed Jesus to a Cross, persecuted the church during the Dark Ages, and in the last days will take the Mark of the Beast instead of the Seal of God, all the while thinking they were right about things.

No no, it's a straw man, you made the argument up, YOU are the one who demands that they must repent first.

We believe the bible, they will be restored in God's time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Then disprove it. Find that chapter and verse which sets a precedent for God returning to the land in 1948 "Israelites" who have never repented from what got them scattered to begin with.

Stop with the "group think" and start thinking for yourself, because the crowd has never been right. They drowned in Noah's day, crucified God's prophets in the days of ancient Israel, nailed Jesus to a Cross, persecuted the church during the Dark Ages, and in the last days will take the Mark of the Beast instead of the Seal of God, all the while thinking they were right about things.

This fits you perfectly!

 

[Phoneman-777]

Please show me in the passages I gave how that belongs to spiritual Israel.

As usual. You totally ignore the verses I gave.

Also. If that is for spiritual Israel. WHy are we not living in that land now with all the blessings God promised us.

Go ahead. Show me

All of them, seeing that there's no more Literal Israel....unless they've been hiding out for the past 2,000 years somewhere preserving their DNA, right?

C'mon, how can any thinking person entertain the notion that all 12 tribes of Israel are still around, when common sense tells us they've disappeared into the murky waters of the global gene pool?

 

[posthuman]

C'mon, how can any thinking person entertain the notion that all 12 tribes of Israel are still around, when common sense tells us they've disappeared

By believing the scripture.

13 tribes, btw.

 

[Phoneman-777]

No no, it's a straw man, you made the argument up, YOU are the one who demands that they must repent first.

We believe the bible, they will be restored in God's time.

Do you even know what a "strawman" is?

All I'm asking for is PRECEDENT. You all accuse God of going against His own established terms and conditions for the return and restoration of Israel, so where's the precedent setting example of this in Scripture?

It's as non-existent as chopping off a portion of a Numerically Specific Time Prophecy and sending it down to the end of time: no other prophecy is treated as such, but your love of Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurism ideas once again demand a subjective hermeneutical approach that finds no Biblical precedent or support.

 

[Phoneman-777]

By believing the scripture.

13 tribes, btw.

Belief? Good gravy, man, I hear so much today about "belief" and "faith" from folks who don't even believe Jesus is better at helping you overcome sin than the devil is at tempting you to indulge it LOL

But, that aside, how? Is God going to resurrect the 7th century 10 tribes who died at the hands of Assyrians, or 1st century Jews/Benjamites who died at the hands of the Romans? Because the rest are lost in the murky waters of the global gene pool.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

C'mon, how can any thinking person entertain the notion that all 12 tribes of Israel are still around, when common sense tells us they've disappeared into the murky waters of the global gene pool?

Jesus had said to "the 12" that they "shall sit on 12 thrones, judgING the 12 tribes of Israel," per Lk22:30 and Matt19:28 (and the latter of these two passages corresponds, word-wise and time-wise, with that of the wording and timing of Matt25:31-34, aka Christ's Second Coming to the earth, FOR the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom, commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth [not that Matt25:31-34 is describing that particular "judgING"]; ... as opposed to something like a split-second "judgment," or the like)

 

[posthuman]

folks who don't even believe Jesus is better at helping you overcome sin than the devil is at tempting you to indulge it LOL

That would be you.

You are the one who thinks Christians who have faith that God will complete the renewal of their minds and redemption of their bodies are wrong.
You are the one telling me I'm a fool to trust God, that I need to make myself holy by my own will and effort, putting my faith in my willpower and determination instead of in Him.

 

[posthuman]

That would be you.

You are the one who thinks Christians who have faith that God will complete the renewal of their minds and redemption of their bodies are wrong.
You are the one telling me I'm a fool to trust God, that I need to make myself holy by my own will and effort, putting my faith in my willpower and determination instead of in Him.

And this shows up in your refusing to believe that God will not utterly forsake Jacob.
Seeing that you believe God is incapable of preserving His chosen people, of course you don't believe He's capable of saving you, either - so you say I have to do it myself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All of them, seeing that there's no more Literal Israel....unless they've been hiding out for the past 2,000 years somewhere preserving their DNA, right?

C'mon, how can any thinking person entertain the notion that all 12 tribes of Israel are still around, when common sense tells us they've disappeared into the murky waters of the global gene pool?

C'mon dude. You did not answer my question.

The two passages in Genesis I quoted. Show me where they are promised to spiritual Israel.

If you can.t Just say so. Stop wasting my time

As for who Israel is. Thats not up to me to determine. I am not God. Nor are you.

God kept a remnant, He promised he always will. That remnant is alive today meaning the nation is alive today.

You dont like that. Thats not my problem.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And this shows up in your refusing to believe that God will not utterly forsake Jacob.
Seeing that you believe God is incapable of preserving His chosen people, of course you don't believe He's capable of saving you, either - so you say I have to do it myself.

He does not believe God will keep his promise to spiritual Israel., that we can be adopted in then kicked out again,

Why would he expect him to to believe God will keep his earthly promise to Abraham Isaac and Jacob, his sons and all who have been born of them.

 

[kaylagrl]

Who, and ONLY who, does the Bible are Abraham's descendants? "IF ye be CHRIST'S, THEN are ye Abraham's seed..."

ZECH.12 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn."

ROM. 11 "And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come from Zion; He will remove godlessness from Jacob. 27And this is My covenant with them when I take away their sins.” 28Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account; but regarding election, they are loved on account of the patriarchs.… "

 

[kaylagrl]

Stil can't find that chapter and verse, can you? I'll help you out: It's not there. So, did God have anything to do with 1948? No, those people are descendants of the pagan Khazars, not Abraham. Paul tells us in Galatians 3:29 KJV who is.

Yes, He did! It was the nation that was born in a day. Khazars are a myth! Debunked!

 

[kaylagrl]

"All the promises to the fathers are Yea and are Amen in Christ" and are for Spiritual Israel, the Christian church.

No such thing, another myth. Spiritual Israel is not the church, that's replacement theology heresy. Even the Catholics repented of it. Dude you're lost in the stone age with old myths and heresy that have nothing to do with the Word. I don't know what church you attend, but do yourself a favor, change.

 

[kaylagrl]

Then disprove it. Find that chapter and verse which sets a precedent for God returning to the land in 1948 "Israelites" who have never repented from what got them scattered to begin with.

Stop with the "group think" and start thinking for yourself, because the crowd has never been right. They drowned in Noah's day, crucified God's prophets in the days of ancient Israel, nailed Jesus to a Cross, persecuted the church during the Dark Ages, and in the last days will take the Mark of the Beast instead of the Seal of God, all the while thinking they were right about things.

So Christ didn't die for your sins? I thought He died for our sins. Persecuted the church!! lol So you didn't know Jews were murdered in the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades? Ever hear of blood libels?! Jews have been banished from over 100 countries, just because they are Jews. They will repent, they are the remnant, that's what the Word says. Your myths and heresy won't stop God from keeping His promises to the Jews.

 

[kaylagrl]

All of them, seeing that there's no more Literal Israel....unless they've been hiding out for the past 2,000 years somewhere preserving their DNA, right?

C'mon, how can any thinking person entertain the notion that all 12 tribes of Israel are still around, when common sense tells us they've disappeared into the murky waters of the global gene pool?

And yet they were still murdered by the thousands wearing the Star of David because... they were Jews !!!

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

All of them, seeing that there's no more Literal Israel....unless they've been hiding out for the past 2,000 years somewhere preserving their DNA, right?

C'mon, how can any thinking person entertain the notion that all 12 tribes of Israel are still around, when common sense tells us they've disappeared into the murky waters of the global gene pool?

What is it about God the creator that makes you believe he has trouble knowing where they all are?


11 ‘“For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I myself will search for my sheep and look after them.

12 As a shepherd looks after his scattered flock when he is with them, so will I look after my sheep. I will rescue them from all the places where they were scattered on a day of clouds and darkness.

13 I will bring them out from the nations and gather them from the countries, and I will bring them into their own land. I will pasture them on the mountains of Israel, in the ravines and in all the settlements in the land.

14 I will tend them in a good pasture, and the mountain heights of Israel will be their grazing land. There they will lie down in good grazing land, and there they will feed in a rich pasture on the mountains of Israel.

15 I myself will tend my sheep and make them lie down, declares the Sovereign Lord.

16 I will search for the lost and bring back the strays. I will bind up the injured and strengthen the weak, but the sleek and the strong I will destroy. I will shepherd the flock with justice.

Ez 34