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Phoneman-777 said:
You absolutely believe that a Christian who pursues a course of deliberate, known, impenitent sin will not forfeit salvation, just a few stupid jewels in his crown of life...it's the foundation upon which OSAS rests!

What a stupid, repugnant interpretation of Scripture taught by the likes of Stanley, Warren, Osteen, etc. Keep following these false prophets and you'll get a false prophet's reward, bro.
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What is your thoughts on believers who may not pursue a life of sin, but do little to nothing with their spiritual life?
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
There are a few exceptions, like Elijah and Moses, both of which appeared to Jesus in their immortal bodies (as evidenced by the fact that Jesus was temporarily glorified and no one can stand in the presence of a glorified Jesus in our present corruptible bodies).
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both Moses & Elijah had seen what ((Who)) is in the midst of the shekinah glory cloud. Moses in the tabernacle when he met with Yah and Elijah when he was ((bodily)) taken up.

that is why they are at the transfiguration. they are witnesses that Jesus Christ is Himself the LORD God in the pillar of cloud and fire.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
You absolutely believe salvation is a license that grants immunity for crimes that send the unlicensed to eternal damnation.

If not, here's your opportunity to set the record straight by selecting A or B:

(A) The Christian forfeits salvation by permanent withdrawal of their surrender to God and surrender to the flesh.

(B) Salvation grants the Christian penal immunity for the same crimes for which the Lost will suffer eternal damnation.
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Nope, I believe no such thing

you sir are a liar
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
Just for the record, OSAS people stop their ears and shut their eyes to the reality of where their twisted ideology leads; to the logical conclusion of their claims...but there will be no "safe space" in the Judgment for any of us.
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For those without Christ, your right, there will be no safe place
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
the foundation upon which OSAS rests
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the foundation of the eternal security of our salvation is believing that God is faithful. that is literally all over scripture. i don't think it's necessary to give you citations. endure till the end in that faith

when you are talking about a person who says he is Christian but wants nothing to do with Christ, you are not talking about someone who has been saved.

conversion is supernatural. it's not your doing; it's God's.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
You absolutely believe that a Christian who pursues a course of deliberate, known, impenitent sin will not forfeit salvation, just a few stupid jewels in his crown of life...it's the foundation upon which OSAS rests!

What a stupid, repugnant interpretation of Scripture taught by the likes of Stanley, Warren, Osteen, etc. Keep following these false prophets and you'll get a false prophet's reward, bro.
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I believe all sinners, no matter small Or weak you think their sin is, are worthy of eternal condemnation. Not just those who commit your pet sins you keep talking about. So again, you are proven a liar

i also believe as John said

whoever sins has never seen god, whoever is born of god can Not sin (habitual deliberate impenitate sin)

see, I believe God changes people

you do not

so I have much deeper faith than God than you can even imagine
 
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John146 said:
What is your thoughts on believers who may not pursue a life of sin, but do little to nothing with their spiritual life?
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It is said we are all "born again" when we accept Christ, which is absolutely true. What do we call a baby that stops growing? Crib death.

A Christian who stops growing in grace will die spiritually.

An airborne plane that stops moving forward will drop like a rock.

If swift moving current will carry away those who only tread water just as effectively as those who swim with it.
 
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posthuman said:
both Moses & Elijah had seen what ((Who)) is in the midst of the shekinah glory cloud. Moses in the tabernacle when he met with Yah and Elijah when he was ((bodily)) taken up.

that is why they are at the transfiguration. they are witnesses that Jesus Christ is Himself the LORD God in the pillar of cloud and fire.
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Yes...it is also true that both Moses and Elijah were OT saints who recieved glorified bodies (Jude 9; Matthew 17; Luke 9) and represent both types in the Resurrection of the Just: Moses represents those who will die and rise with glorified bodies and Elijah, those who will be "alive and remain".
 
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posthuman said:
what do we call "eternal life" that is neither eternal nor life?

a lie.
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The lie is making that which is conditional unconditional. The Bible says the condition we must meet to receive salvation is surrender.

OSAS says surrender is optional, God and Satan have joint custody, and we can either abide in the Vine or Satan's Holly tree.
 
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A man was making his way home one night and got caught in a terrible blizzard. He knew his only chance for survival was a shortcut across the pond to where his house stood full of warmth and loved ones and safety...but he was unsure if the pond was frozen enough to keep him from plunging to a icy, watery grave.

He lowered himself down and carefully spread himself across the ice and slowly began to crawl. Halfway across the pond, he heard a terrible thundering behind him which grew closer and louder and more violent. "The ice is breaking up! I'll be lost!" he screamed just in time to see a group of soldiers on horseback galloping past him at full speed.

There are those of us who are galloping on to victory over sin across the sure foundation of Jesus, and those who are crawling along without any courage, strength, or faith that they can make it. That's why they have to invent false doctrines like OSAS.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
A man heading home one night got caught in a terrible blizzard. He knew his only chance for survival was a shortcut across the pond to where his house stood full of warmth and loved ones and safety...but he was unsure if the ice was strong enough to keep him from plunging to a icy, watery grave.

He lowered himself down and carefully spread himself across the ice and slowly began to crawl. Halfway across the pond, he heard a terrible thundering behind him which grew closer and louder and more violent. "The ice is breaking up! I'll be lost!" he screamed just in time to see a group of soldiers on horseback galloping past him at full speed.

There are those of us who are galloping on to victory over sin across the sure foundation of Jesus, and those who are crawling along without any courage, strength, or faith they can make it. That's why they have to invent false doctrines like OSAS.
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i'm told there are literally websites where you can buy anecdotes like this if you're a desperate pastor on friday who hasn't got a clue what to preach about sunday.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
It is said we are all "born again" when we accept Christ, which is absolutely true. What do we call a baby that stops growing? Crib death.

A Christian who stops growing in grace will die spiritually.

An airborne plane that stops moving forward will drop like a rock.

If swift moving current will carry away those who only tread water just as effectively as those who swim with it.
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Have they lost their salvation?
 
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posthuman said:
the foundation of the eternal security of our salvation is believing that God is faithful. that is literally all over scripture. i don't think it's necessary to give you citations. endure till the end in that faith

when you are talking about a person who says he is Christian but wants nothing to do with Christ, you are not talking about someone who has been saved.

conversion is supernatural. it's not your doing; it's God's.
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Yes, we can do nothing of our own selves.
 
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