When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

[Evmur]

It troubles me why this post got so much negative response. Are we worshipers of Jesus or are we worshippers of a people who reject the blood of The Lamb of God. We might as well worship the with Jehovah Witnessers. Todays Jews need to do the same thing that those in the Early Church did. They must repent and be born again. This is not anti-Semitism. This is pro-Atonement-ism.

No-body worships the Jews, we love the Jews ... why don't you? God says they are beloved.

We believe the prophecies concerning their restoration to favour. If all the prophecies concerning their fall came to pass then be sure the prophecies concerning their restoration will also come to pass.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It troubles me why this post got so much negative response. Are we worshipers of Jesus or are we worshippers of a people who reject the blood of The Lamb of God. We might as well worship the with Jehovah Witnessers. Todays Jews need to do the same thing that those in the Early Church did. They must repent and be born again. This is not anti-Semitism. This is pro-Atonement-ism.

It troubles me that people think God had no part in what happened in 1948 Since God pretty much controls everything and nothing happens without his knowledge or help or anything else

And people do not believe any jew is saved apart from repentance. what we are sick of is replacement theology. and the thought that Isreal will not repent in the future and based on that repentance. God will keep his promises to Abraham and Lev 26 and restore them

Israel was not restored in 1948. They are not restored today. They are still at war. There are still more Jews in the world than ther are in modern day Palestine. And like in the time of Jesus, They may be partly in their land, But they are still in sin (the 70 weeks have not yet been fulfilled)

It saddens me people try to put words in others mouths and say things they have never said or believed. The op is trying to pervert one again his legalistic maintain salvation by works gospel by trying to paint futurists in believing something they do not believe.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No-body worships the Jews, we love the Jews ... why don't you? God says they are beloved.

We believe the prophecies concerning their restoration to favour. If all the prophecies concerning their fall came to pass then be sure the prophecies concerning their restoration will also come to pass.

Amen. The bible tells us to love all people. Even our enemy, So why are we hated when we love jews as well as gentiles? Its what we are commended to do.

Paul even tells us they are to continue to be loved, even though they are to be hated as enemies of the cross.. Well loving them is hoping for their salvation. While acknowledging they are still enemies of the cross.

 

[oyster67]

I will bless those that bless you and curse him that curse you.

Telling them about the soul cleansing blood of Jesus is not cursing them. Neglecting to tell them the truth is what will be a curse to us. When you love someone, you will tell them of their need to be washed in the Blood of the Lamb of God. The Early Church was Jewish. They understood this. When did the big information loss happen?

 

[oyster67]

we love the Jews ... why don't you?

That is a rather hefty and unfounded accusation you have hurled against me.

the prophecies concerning their restoration will also come to pass.

...when they finally come to repentance. Believe it or not, some Jews will go to hell for failing to accept the Blood of Jesus as payment for their sins. Paint me black if it gives you pleasure to do so, but I will not compromise the Truth for a couple little friendship hearts under my posts.

 

[Evmur]

That is a rather hefty and unfounded accusation you have hurled against me.



...when they finally come to repentance. Believe it or not, some Jews will go to hell for failing to accept the Blood of Jesus as payment for their sins. Paint me black if it gives you pleasure to do so, but I will not compromise the Truth for a couple little friendship hearts under my posts.

this thread is anti Jewish which is profoundly unbiblical. Jesus is King of the Jews, that is the charge for which He was condemned and was written upon the cross.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Telling them about the soul cleansing blood of Jesus is not cursing them. Neglecting to tell them the truth is what will be a curse to us. When you love someone, you will tell them of their need to be washed in the Blood of the Lamb of God. The Early Church was Jewish. They understood this. When did the big information loss happen?

who is telling Jews that they are ok they will get to heaven as they are? I have never heard any christian say this. So why do people accuse them of this?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

That is a rather hefty and unfounded accusation you have hurled against me.

He just made a point

...when they finally come to repentance. Believe it or not, some Jews will go to hell for failing to accept the Blood of Jesus as payment for their sins. Paint me black if it gives you pleasure to do so, but I will not compromise the Truth for a couple little friendship hearts under my posts.

Why did you just falsley accuse him? He never made any such statment

 

[oyster67]

Yes, and God says that the Jews are beloved. God loves them, no wonder Satan hates them.

John
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[oyster67]

He just made a point

He did not.

Why did you just falsley accuse him?

I did not.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Good scripture - and rebuke. If people call truth "hate" then that's certainly their problem.

Yep, the Bible says the haters in church are actually those who won’t warn the brethren when they’re straying off the path.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

No-body worships the Jews, we love the Jews ... why don't you? God says they are beloved.

We believe the prophecies concerning their restoration to favour. If all the prophecies concerning their fall came to pass then be sure the prophecies concerning their restoration will also come to pass.

It's amazing anyone can get through a reading of The Bible and miss that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He did not.



I did not.

When you stated he was having pleasure in them rejecting Christ, Something he never stated or even insinuated, You sure did falsely accuse him. Just like most people do when they claim we are ok with jews as they are. And not with them repenting anc comming to Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yep, the Bible says the haters in church are actually those who won’t warn the brethren when they’re straying off the path.

Who is straying off the path? Who is telling Jews they are saved as they are?

If anything you should be warned for bearing false witness against your brothers. (then again, Are they your brothers?) I am not even sure of this.. since you teach a different gospel

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's amazing anyone can get through a reading of The Bible and miss that.

I think it comes from following History and putting to much faith in the so called early fathers who thought the church replaced the jews, and not in the word of God.

 

[oyster67]

you stated he was having pleasure in them rejecting Christ

I stated no such thing, and you know it.

You sure did falsely accuse him.

I surely did not, and you know that also. You can get pretty nasty when painted into a corner. I did not mean to get you so riled up. Please forgive.

 

[oyster67]

If anything you should be warned for bearing false witness against your brothers. (then again, Are they your brothers?) I am not even sure of this.. since you teach a different gospel

Now you owe @Phoneman-777 an apology also.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I stated no such thing, and you know it.



I surely did not, and you know that also. You can get pretty nasty when painted into a corner. I did not mean to get you so riled up. Please forgive.

You said;"If that is ok with you so be it"

You would not say that unless you truly believed that it was true. We get this same accusation from people who believe as you do all the time (the OP did that very thing)

I am not riled up and I am not backed to any corner. I think you need to humble yourself brother and take constructive criticism and not think everyone is out to hurt you.

In reality, Because he asked you if you loved jews, You stated he falsely accused you, Then you ask if he truly was ok with Jews rejecting God, and for some reason this is ok?

This back and forth comes from the fact people who believe in replacement theology comes from the point of people think Jews are ok no matter what they believe, A fact that is really not true.

And those who do not believe in replacement theology believes it comes from anti-semeitsm and hatred of Jews. So it is easy to think they all hate Jews (I kow you all do not hatejews, but there are many who do). But it is still there when we are not humble enough to admit this.

It appears you both may have done the same thing. You did not like it when he did that to you. Why should it be ok for you to do it to him?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now you owe @Phoneman-777 an apology also.

for what? stating the truth?

Why do not both of you show us people who think jews will get to heaven by rejecting Christ? As I have said, I have been a futurist for most of my christian life (almost 40 years) and in every church and book I have read concerning end times and i have never heard one futrist claim that people think anyone will get not heaven apart from faith in Christ. well, I take that back, I hear that accusation from people like the op. Who claim we believe God restored Israel even though they did not repent. (a fact that is not true)

I will not appologize for standing up for those who believe as I do who are falsely accused. Any more than you will put up with people who falsely accuse you

 

[oyster67]

We get this same accusation from people who believe as you do all the time

This must not become an "we" versus "you" thing. We are brothers and sisters in Christ. We must not let Satan divide us.

I think you need to humble yourself brother and take constructive criticism

I humble myself and accept and appreciate your constructive criticism.

...and not think everyone is out to hurt you.

You have read me like a book.

It appears you both may have done the same thing. You did not like it when he did that to you. Why should it be ok for you to do it to him?

Thank you for clearing everything up for us. Can we be friends again?