How does a person get into the ' body of Christ ' ?

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notuptome

notuptome

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throughfaith said:
Rom 5
10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life .
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Again which life? Christ's earthly life or His glorified life?

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pittsburghjoe

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throughfaith said:
Can you be saved today without being in the body of Christ ? No . So its the same as saying how do tell people how to be saved? Of course in the OT people were not put into the body of christ .
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Jesus brought a new way to be saved. I think God's people are still his people. I don't think God is going to toss them into Hell because they didn't realize who the savior was. They have to follow old rules to have the chance at being saved.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Jesus brought a new way to be saved. I think God's people are still his people. I don't think God is going to toss them into Hell because they didn't realize who the savior was. They have to follow old rules to have the chance at being saved.
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So long as they remain the covenant of Law that God made with Israel, they will be placed in Abraham's bosom/Paradise at their deaths.

When Jesus returns for Israel in his 2nd coming, then they will receive their salvation from sins (Romans 11:26-27, Acts 3:19-21)
 
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notuptome said:
Again which life? Christ's earthly life or His glorified life?

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Roger
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Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)

Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)

Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).

The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)

The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)

Belief that salvation for anyone was secured on the cross constitutes a denial of the necessity of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:17)
 
pittsburghjoe

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throughfaith said:
Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)

Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)

Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).

The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)

The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)

Belief that salvation for anyone was secured on the cross constitutes a denial of the necessity of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:17)
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So you are coming up with evidence yourself that being in the body of Christ isn't enough. Almost as if there are tiers to salvation.
 
notuptome

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throughfaith said:
Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)

Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)

Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).

The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)

The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)

Belief that salvation for anyone was secured on the cross constitutes a denial of the necessity of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:17)
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Christ's life is testimony to the Father's acceptance of the atonement. Christ's resurrection is testimony to us that we will be made like Him and receive life after death. Christ's resurrection is testimony to His deity.

The atonement satisfied the demands of the righteousness of the Father.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
pittsburghjoe

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Ephesians 1:4 (King James Version)

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love

Wouldn't this mean everyone is in the body of Christ by default? The death would also be for everyone by default. There are still additional steps for anyone to be saved.
 
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notuptome said:
Christ's life is testimony to the Father's acceptance of the atonement. Christ's resurrection is testimony to us that we will be made like Him and receive life after death. Christ's resurrection is testimony to His deity.

The atonement satisfied the demands of the righteousness of the Father.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Which verses are you referring to ?
 
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It's amazing how people who have studied the Bible for so long don't understand how God and his people are likened to a husband and wife, of one body. OT and NT believers, one in Christ, one in God.
 
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notuptome said:
Christ's life is testimony to the Father's acceptance of the atonement. Christ's resurrection is testimony to us that we will be made like Him and receive life after death. Christ's resurrection is testimony to His deity.

The atonement satisfied the demands of the righteousness of the Father.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Acts 17
31Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance ( pistus) unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead .
 
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notuptome said:
All of them.

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1 Peter 1:3

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead "
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
That's right when you are baptized, it is the Holy Spirit binding you to Christ.
Though a preacher stand there in the water with you and put you down into the water and raise you back up, and he says the word of God. It is the Holy Spirit that does the working of salvation and joining you to Jesus.
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Being dunked in water is not required to be baptized by the Holy Spirit of God.
 
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