Scripture that supports soulless humans before Adam
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The blood of Jesus speaks a more better thing:
Hebrews 12:24
to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
The Blood of Jesus did what bulls and goats could not do.
Jesus said "it is finished" in John 19:30
Jesus was speaking a legal term as to a debt being paid in full the debt of sin.
All passed debt, all present debt, and all future debt of sin.
Hebrews 12:24
to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
The Blood of Jesus did what bulls and goats could not do.
Jesus said "it is finished" in John 19:30
Jesus was speaking a legal term as to a debt being paid in full the debt of sin.
All passed debt, all present debt, and all future debt of sin.
it caused a conflict between the spirit Which is from God and the flesh which was created from the material part of creation
it caused this conflict
“And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
Genesis 6:3
so you have this conflict within mankind
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh:
and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
Galatians 5:16-17
it’s another way of Paul explaining that law of sin within man
when we were created God made or body from the dirt , but he breathed the spirit of life into the body and man became a living soul
2 parts body and spirit . What the fruit did was cause a conflict within mankind this is what makes us transgressors by birth and why each person requires redemption in order to be saved
God wasn’t offering salvation to Adam and Eve they were already where we hope To one day be . They sent us down a long windy and deadly road and Jesus came to bring us home again
we’re sinners within and so the gospel is necessary to go into our hearts of faith and remove what evil remains in this , we are set free from servitude to that law of sin that is conflicted and keeps us bound
it caused this conflict
“And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”
Genesis 6:3
so you have this conflict within mankind
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh:
and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
Galatians 5:16-17
it’s another way of Paul explaining that law of sin within man
when we were created God made or body from the dirt , but he breathed the spirit of life into the body and man became a living soul
2 parts body and spirit . What the fruit did was cause a conflict within mankind this is what makes us transgressors by birth and why each person requires redemption in order to be saved
God wasn’t offering salvation to Adam and Eve they were already where we hope To one day be . They sent us down a long windy and deadly road and Jesus came to bring us home again
we’re sinners within and so the gospel is necessary to go into our hearts of faith and remove what evil remains in this , we are set free from servitude to that law of sin that is conflicted and keeps us bound
the spirit of new birth comes by this means
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
That’s where the spirit gets into our minds and hearts from believing the gospel
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
because they have been born again in the spirit
“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water
and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
John 3:5 KJV
Those two births come like this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
believing Jesus word is what gives us a new birth inwardly
“If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:21-24 KJV
remember how the knowledge of good and evil caused our fall ? The knowledge of Gods truth is the solution
when we believe the gospel we’re believing this
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20 KJV
we fell by forbidden and conflicting knowledge that changed mans mind and heart , we are saved when we believe the truth from God that changes our minds from deception to truth and purges the conflict within through the knowledge of God
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
That’s where the spirit gets into our minds and hearts from believing the gospel
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
John 5:24 KJV
because they have been born again in the spirit
“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water
and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.”
John 3:5 KJV
Those two births come like this
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Mark 16:15-16 KJV
believing Jesus word is what gives us a new birth inwardly
“If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:21-24 KJV
remember how the knowledge of good and evil caused our fall ? The knowledge of Gods truth is the solution
when we believe the gospel we’re believing this
“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
1 John 5:20 KJV
we fell by forbidden and conflicting knowledge that changed mans mind and heart , we are saved when we believe the truth from God that changes our minds from deception to truth and purges the conflict within through the knowledge of God
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I think how I would say it is there are two covenants , there are two covenants because there are two parts of
Man
if you want to command man by the flesh you tell them this because the flesh is contrary to God you speak to man through thier flesh like this
“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
That’s a commandment to mans flesh the corrupt part
But to mans spirit you give them this word to believe
“ But I say unto you,
That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
Matthew 5:27-28
he goes on from here to explain that lust in the heart can lead us to hell unless we remove it urgently “ pluck out the eye , cut off the hand “ but we see the issue is in the heart , this is where the term circumcision of the heart comes in
you can tell a born sinner , not to sin forever and at thier best they will remain a sinner who struggled hard and acted against thier own will , so they restrained the sin in their heart . This doesn’t make anyone right before God.
but if you teach a sinner what the real problem is
“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
Mark 7:21-23 KJV
If you explain what’s happening to them and why , where the problem exists then they can begin to repent where it matters
if we move from the flesh commandments “ don’t commit adultery and anyone who does must be put to death “
to the spiritual commandment “ never accept the lustful thoughts to dwell in your mind , then the act of adultery has no power to tempt you and you will by this new understanding rejecting the thought as soon as it arises , be free from the recurring “ don’t commit adultery “ that has no More use for someone who is walking by the spiritual word , because the knowledge of adultery is being circumcised by faith in the word
to overcome sins of that type we have to put in order the things we think about and allow in our heart and desires our thoughts and musings must be approved. If so our actions always will
Be
the body is only like a vehicle inanimate , it operates by the faith in the man whatever is within us in our spiritual parts our mind heart , knowledge those things come out of us like a fruit from a tree
if the fruit is sin then it means we need to look at the source that is making the tree sick in the root system in order to fix the fruit the tree needs to be healthy
a good mind and heart toward God according to Jesus words , the law of the spirit , will Always lead to good and approve me actions by the believer
we can’t be saved by following the commandments of the flesh , we can be saved by following the spirit
Man
if you want to command man by the flesh you tell them this because the flesh is contrary to God you speak to man through thier flesh like this
“Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
That’s a commandment to mans flesh the corrupt part
But to mans spirit you give them this word to believe
“ But I say unto you,
That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.”
Matthew 5:27-28
he goes on from here to explain that lust in the heart can lead us to hell unless we remove it urgently “ pluck out the eye , cut off the hand “ but we see the issue is in the heart , this is where the term circumcision of the heart comes in
you can tell a born sinner , not to sin forever and at thier best they will remain a sinner who struggled hard and acted against thier own will , so they restrained the sin in their heart . This doesn’t make anyone right before God.
but if you teach a sinner what the real problem is
“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
Mark 7:21-23 KJV
If you explain what’s happening to them and why , where the problem exists then they can begin to repent where it matters
if we move from the flesh commandments “ don’t commit adultery and anyone who does must be put to death “
to the spiritual commandment “ never accept the lustful thoughts to dwell in your mind , then the act of adultery has no power to tempt you and you will by this new understanding rejecting the thought as soon as it arises , be free from the recurring “ don’t commit adultery “ that has no More use for someone who is walking by the spiritual word , because the knowledge of adultery is being circumcised by faith in the word
to overcome sins of that type we have to put in order the things we think about and allow in our heart and desires our thoughts and musings must be approved. If so our actions always will
Be
the body is only like a vehicle inanimate , it operates by the faith in the man whatever is within us in our spiritual parts our mind heart , knowledge those things come out of us like a fruit from a tree
if the fruit is sin then it means we need to look at the source that is making the tree sick in the root system in order to fix the fruit the tree needs to be healthy
a good mind and heart toward God according to Jesus words , the law of the spirit , will Always lead to good and approve me actions by the believer
we can’t be saved by following the commandments of the flesh , we can be saved by following the spirit
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yes brother I was just giving you my own way of saying it , it seems you have the understanding and like a lot of the epistles we are using different wording to speak the same thing
I really truly appreciate this time discussing with you it always gets me into studying subjects I hadn’t and the spirit of your humility and thirst for the truth is very evident and makes my spirit very happy to discuss with you .
The spirit in a discussion is paramount among believers to discuss in a manner where both are allowed to speak thier own mind and wording while adding to the same message a bit of clarity is the goal in my view we don’t need a teacher specifically but a group of hungry students that have the right spirit like you
wanting to just learn and know the truth
I really truly appreciate this time discussing with you it always gets me into studying subjects I hadn’t and the spirit of your humility and thirst for the truth is very evident and makes my spirit very happy to discuss with you .
The spirit in a discussion is paramount among believers to discuss in a manner where both are allowed to speak thier own mind and wording while adding to the same message a bit of clarity is the goal in my view we don’t need a teacher specifically but a group of hungry students that have the right spirit like you
wanting to just learn and know the truth
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The death of Jesus fulfilled the forgiveness of all sin. Yes Jesus had to die because God requires payment for sin HE is Holy.
something has to die for sin if not you something or someone. from the very time, Adam sinned God had to take the skin of an animal to cover Adam and Eve. Jesus was our covering. The Cross experience along with the burial and resurrection testify of the Truth of God's word, past, and present.
something has to die for sin if not you something or someone. from the very time, Adam sinned God had to take the skin of an animal to cover Adam and Eve. Jesus was our covering. The Cross experience along with the burial and resurrection testify of the Truth of God's word, past, and present.
“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
Revelation 12:9 KJV
yes his deception led the world astray to me it seems evident that he first ate the forbidden fruit , then gave eve the idea , then Eve carried the idea to Adam it’s the first false doctrine brother .
God said “ tou Must not eat the fruit you will die “
Satan said “ the fruit won’t harm you , it’s good for you will make you wise “
Eve believed and ate , Adam then heartened to her words about the fruit and he ate .
it’s the same for all time if we believe what God said about sin the forbidden fruit for us we will
Live .
If we believe the deception Satan planted in our minds that contradicts what God said , we will die. Gods word is always going to be life and transgression always death
We see the subsequent curse first the serpent is cursed , then the woman is punished and then Adam is cursed to toil and die sealing all Mankind’s fate in death.
but in the end Satans home is what he deserved and all who follow his will sadly will end up with him whereas those who turn and serve Gods will will be saved
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:41, 46 KJV
so there was a curse on earth for what they did being death , but there is an eternal curse upon the souls of evil men after death. Again there are always two of everything because one is spirit one is flesh even death we die in the flesh but our spirit exists still carrying the living soul independent of the body at death the spiritual realm has a death also that place of satans torment is the second death of the spirit
“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
Revelation 20:14-15
Satan indeed is the source of the deception and began the wrong track , but it took Eve and then Adam to break faith with Gods word and believe satans word so they also share guilt
that’s how it is between adams transgression which causes our internal
Problem of good and evil , but we who hear Gods word of the gospel have the same word of life to
Believe and satans temptations come to us just like adam
And Eve
if we break faith with his word , we also share in the guilt because the gospel has been preached now and to believe is life. We’re saved by believing God and denying satan as they would have been kept safe if they had believed God and rejected satans lies
the gospel is our word of life , but the world has a hundred ways to get us to reject the truth of God and accept a distortion and deception claiming life and benefit just like the serpent did
he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
Revelation 12:9 KJV
yes his deception led the world astray to me it seems evident that he first ate the forbidden fruit , then gave eve the idea , then Eve carried the idea to Adam it’s the first false doctrine brother .
God said “ tou Must not eat the fruit you will die “
Satan said “ the fruit won’t harm you , it’s good for you will make you wise “
Eve believed and ate , Adam then heartened to her words about the fruit and he ate .
it’s the same for all time if we believe what God said about sin the forbidden fruit for us we will
Live .
If we believe the deception Satan planted in our minds that contradicts what God said , we will die. Gods word is always going to be life and transgression always death
We see the subsequent curse first the serpent is cursed , then the woman is punished and then Adam is cursed to toil and die sealing all Mankind’s fate in death.
but in the end Satans home is what he deserved and all who follow his will sadly will end up with him whereas those who turn and serve Gods will will be saved
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
Matthew 25:41, 46 KJV
so there was a curse on earth for what they did being death , but there is an eternal curse upon the souls of evil men after death. Again there are always two of everything because one is spirit one is flesh even death we die in the flesh but our spirit exists still carrying the living soul independent of the body at death the spiritual realm has a death also that place of satans torment is the second death of the spirit
“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
Revelation 20:14-15
Satan indeed is the source of the deception and began the wrong track , but it took Eve and then Adam to break faith with Gods word and believe satans word so they also share guilt
that’s how it is between adams transgression which causes our internal
Problem of good and evil , but we who hear Gods word of the gospel have the same word of life to
Believe and satans temptations come to us just like adam
And Eve
if we break faith with his word , we also share in the guilt because the gospel has been preached now and to believe is life. We’re saved by believing God and denying satan as they would have been kept safe if they had believed God and rejected satans lies
the gospel is our word of life , but the world has a hundred ways to get us to reject the truth of God and accept a distortion and deception claiming life and benefit just like the serpent did
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When talking to evolutionists I always say this. "Put a male and female cat on a spacecraft for a million years - do you expect to get back a giraffe? The cat may grow bigger or smaller by adapting to its environment but it won't turn into a elephant". There has never been any evidence of species evolving into different species, all they have is fossilized remains of the same species
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