first God does the work and then we believe it. It does not always seem to be that way but when we reads God's word we see that it is.
Jesus and Paul -two different gospels?
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I agree with you on that. I've literally heard some Christians say " oh I don't believe in predestinated and Election and all the stuff " The words predestined and election are in the bible so that's a daft thing to say . But I don't believe anyones 'preaching 'on election or predestination. They are words . They are words that have meaning ,in context. There like other ' words ' . What has happened is we have years of ' theology and baggage placed on to words . Like the ' Doctrine of election ' . Most of what is taught is planted in the unsuspecting mind before hes figured out his bible. So that when he comes across the word ' predestined ' that buzz word is like a trigger . Like a soviet spy thats been hypnotised and when someone says the trigger word ,he's activated . lol . This similar thing happens if you have been round any preaching, teaching and sermons long enough. ' Election ' Ah ha ( trigger ) This means ' i was chosen before the foundation...." 'Predestined ' ( trigger) " I was chosen to be saved before......and on and on .
This of course started with Augustine teaching on it .
The bible however
Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)
Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)
Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)
Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)
There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)
Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)
Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)
Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)
Conviction of the Holy Spirit is necessary for salvation, but occurs to sinners alike, regardless of consequent faith or unbelief. It is not irresistible or unconditionally selective. (Jn. 16:7-11)
Grace is a ubiquitous reality, not a selective force. (Tit. 2:11-13)
Grace is just fine on it’s own as it’s found in scripture. Any modifier other than “free,” such as “sovereign,” “irresistible,” or “prevenient” indicate someone is either confused or attempting to confuse. (Rom. 3:24; 5:15; Jn. 1:16; Tit. 2:11-13)
he preached repentance and faith in God preached the same gospel and his teachings should never be thrown out nor should anyone throw out the gospel and follow Paul as messiah
Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom of God including repentance and faith the same message tinker and gentile
“And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.”
Acts 20:20-21, 25
Paul actually taught more about sin it’s consequences and repentance than Moses law did.
while we take a statement like “ grace” and “ election “ out of the scripture it exists in its easily distorted Paul’s election includes this instruction
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these;
Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:16, 19-21 KJV
Paul preached about inheriting the kingdom but also warned of the consequences of sin . To show this is a constant in his doctrine
“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:3-7 KJV
Paul’s message is urgent about repenting from sin and walking in the spirit with the lord
“Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV
Those are a few examples of Paul’s doctrine other than the catch phrases we hear like “ saved by grace” election isn’t the end , faith is the end
How do you understand this verse ?
Romans 16:25
“Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to MY GOSPEL, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the MYSTERY, which was KEPT SECRET since the world began,”
“the gospel of the kingdom” in Matthew 4:23. It is a Gospel preached exclusively to the Jews (Matt. 10:5–7), and it is confirmed by signs (Matt. 4:23–24, 10:8). It is the good news that the King of the Jews was present and offering the kingdom to the nation of Israel, conditioned upon their repentance and acceptance of the King. When Christ died, He went and preached “the gospel...to them that are dead” (1 Pet. 4:6). During Christ’s time in the tomb, He went down to Paradise, Abraham’s Bosom, and proclaimed the “good news” to the Old Testament saints that He had taken away their sins, which the Old Testament sacrifices could not, and had made a way for them to live in Heaven with God. In Acts 20:24, Paul says he testified to “the gospel of the grace of God.” This is the Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1–4. It is the good news that a sinner, by the free grace of God (Eph. 2:8–9), can be saved from sin and Hell by receiving the person of the Gospel, Jesus Christ (vs. 1, . John 1:12), and putting his complete trust for salvation in His atoning work on the cross and His resurrection from the dead (vss. 3–4, . Rom. 10:9–10).
In Acts 20:24, Paul says he testified to “the gospel of the grace of God.” This is the Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1–4. It is the good news that a sinner, by the free grace of God (Eph. 2:8–9), can be saved from sin and Hell by receiving the person of the Gospel, Jesus Christ (vs. 1, cf. John 1:12), and putting his complete trust for salvation in His atoning work on the cross and His resurrection from the dead (vss. 3–4, cf. Rom. 10:9–10). It is also called “the gospel of God” (Rom. 1:1), “the gospel of his Son” (Rom. 1:9), “the gospel of Christ” (Rom. 1:16), “Christ’s gospel” (2 Cor. 2:12), “the gospel of your salvation” (Eph. 1:13), “the gospel of peace” (Eph. 6:15), “the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ” (2 Thess. 1:8), and “our gospel” (2 Thess. 2:14). This is the gospel of which Paul says, “If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that we have received, let him be accursed” (Gal. 1:9).
In Acts 20:24, Paul says he testified to “the gospel of the grace of God.” This is the Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1–4. It is the good news that a sinner, by the free grace of God (Eph. 2:8–9), can be saved from sin and Hell by receiving the person of the Gospel, Jesus Christ (vs. 1, cf. John 1:12), and putting his complete trust for salvation in His atoning work on the cross and His resurrection from the dead (vss. 3–4, cf. Rom. 10:9–10). It is also called “the gospel of God” (Rom. 1:1), “the gospel of his Son” (Rom. 1:9), “the gospel of Christ” (Rom. 1:16), “Christ’s gospel” (2 Cor. 2:12), “the gospel of your salvation” (Eph. 1:13), “the gospel of peace” (Eph. 6:15), “the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ” (2 Thess. 1:8), and “our gospel” (2 Thess. 2:14). This is the gospel of which Paul says, “If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that we have received, let him be accursed” (Gal. 1:9).
Nope
Paul preached the kingdom of God.
Acts 28
23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God,
And here also;
30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ,
You were saynig?
Since Paul preached the Kingdom of God
and Jesus also preached the Kingdom of God
Therefore Jesus and Paul must be preaching the same gospel
I preached that my wife had long hair and wearing dresses.
Someone else also preached his wife had long hair and wearing dresses.
Therefore we must be talking about/married to the same woman.
The Gospel [is] the Bible. The many physical healings in the four Gospels are a picture of what was to come through Christ, which is His Holy Operation of Faith. And it is the very Operation of Faith that makes Christ not a "physician" as most "christians" like to say, but instead, He is the Great Surgeon. It is the exact and precise surgical Work of Christ that is at the "Heart" of the entire Bible . . . the Circumcision of Heart, the only one whom is capable of lifting that ugly, controlling Veil.
Colossians 2:10-12 KJV - And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Colossians 2:10-12 KJV - And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Yes the Kingdom OF God. . I said THE kingdom ,and I gave the scriptures . Read them .
Hi Guojing,
If you preached that then you must be an awfully confused man. Don't you know what your wife looks like?
The ' good news ' cannot be ' the bible ' . There is bad news in it . There's tragedy , There's death , there's sadness. And the healings were a sign to Israel to validate the message. The problem with teaching wide sweeping generalisations, it misses the details. It misses the unfolding ( non static ) revelation of God through the scriptures. The circumcision of the spirit, for example is only available after the resurrection .
Hi Guojing,
If you preached that then you must be an awfully confused man. Don't you know what your wife looks like?
Then you must also say that Jesus and Paul are both awfully confused.
Then you must also say that Jesus and Paul are both awfully confused.
Its you who is saying that...that was point I was making lol
Then you are not getting the point of what I was trying to say in that post, but I think you already knew that anyway.
what was preached to the Gentile woman at the well, and to her whole town, in John 4?
interestingly there, to her, Christ directly revealed Himself to be the Messiah.
some weird '3rd gospel' for half-Jews??