Was the Garden of Eden, literally Heaven on Earth? Was the Earth already fallen except for the Garden?

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I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:30
Yes, in the shoes of the Son of GOD. GOD the Son is not the Son of GOD. GOD the Son is GOD. The Son of GOD is the Son of GOD.
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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Are either of those talking about Jesus?

Am I insane or is there a God the Father who is the Creator?
Yessir. They're both about our Beloved Christ.

Discussing the Trinity is not easy. Jesus, Christ, and the Spirit are separate, yet they are all one.

The best way that I can describe this is to associate it with ourselves. We have the body, mind, and spirit. When asked how we are, we randomly answer according to which of the 3 we feel like describing. Sometimes we say we're doing great . . . but that's because something really cool happened and it has made us happy. Sometimes we say that we're doing horrible, but that's because of some kind of physical pain, such as a toothache, back or neck pain. Sometimes we say that we're doing great, but that is in relation to our spirit, which is able to cry out, "Abba Father." :)
 
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Are you guys saying Jesus is God the Father's avatar? I shouldn't be thinking of it like father and son of humans. When Jesus said "Father", He was really saying "Host"?
 

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Are you guys saying Jesus is God the Father's avatar? I shouldn't be thinking of it like father and son of humans. When Jesus said "Father", He was really saying "Host"?
Jesus is the Son of God because Christ the Spirit was made in the likeness of a human. The Human Christ was submissive to God, yet the Spirit of Christ is God in the flesh.

Colossians 1:19 NLT - "For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ . . ."
Colossians 2:9 NLT - "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body."

You ask wonderful questions! I wish all people were like yourself. :D
 
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God's avatar (Jesus) could be in all of us, opening the door allows God the Father to know us through the connection of the avatar.

Entanglement is probably involved.

Is this the bridge to the Father, Jesus was talking about?
 
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If Jesus died for everyone's sin, that means Jesus had access to every person to ever live, past and future. For Jesus to access that sin (information), He might need something that was inside everyone to hand that information over. I think Jesus was already in humans from Adam and Eve. The Avatar would be a good answer.
 

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Pottery would be fun. Did you master it?
mastering an art is volunteering one's self for slavery; i'd say no, i lacked the courage

yeah i can shape tea sets and elegant bowls tho, if that's what you meant
 

posthuman

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Are either of those talking about Jesus?
read the context of the quotes. they are both explicitly and unequivocally talking about Jesus.
He is the Ancient of Days, the LORD Almighty, the Beginning and the End. All things exist by Him for Him and through Him.


He's not 'made'
 

posthuman

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GOD the Son. Because HE is smaller in size than GOD the father.
my son is taller than me.

i seem to remember someone saying "
He has given Him a name above all names" ?

huh
 
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mastering an art is volunteering one's self for slavery; i'd say no, i lacked the courage

yeah i can shape tea sets and elegant bowls tho, if that's what you meant
Yeah thats what i meant. Cool it looks like it would be fun.
 

posthuman

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Yeah thats what i meant. Cool it looks like it would be fun.
it's a great way to learn patience.
you cannot throw a pot while you have any uncontrolled stress or anxiety. you have to be very still and calm :)


there a lot of deep analogies in the process of making pottery, too. it isn't an accident God calls Himself The Potter and us the clay
 

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Obviously you don't know the difference between GOD the Son and the Son of GOD. But thats not suprising.
Obviously you think there is a difference. But that's not surprising.
 
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I think the purpose of the Garden was to start humans that had a way to transmit their sins to the final Adam on the cross. God the Father isn't a fan of this fallen place, so gaining that knowledge was not something He wanted to do. For Jesus to have the sins for sacrifice, a different way to bare the sins was put in place.