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Yes that would be Israel.
Israel is the name of the nation of the children of the kingdom. Father Adam and Mother Eve are the ones that made Procreation possible for the children of the kingdom to have physical bodies like they have physical bodies.

And they paid a price to start Procreation, as Highlighted by Jesus His Pre-Eminence in John 12:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

This is the Law for Procreation.

Then in parable of wheats and tares, the wheat are the children of the kingdom, the tares are bundled as chaff for the fire. Tares are not chidren of the kingdom..

The first Man Adam, and his model type Eve, are that corn of wheat that had to die to begin Procreation. And like the seed of tree that is planted, and that seed grows into a tree, the seed that was planted is lost forever. It is impossible to locate that very seed again. In the same way, If Jesus His Pre-Eminence did not bail them out of hell, by taking their place as that seed that had to die, then they would have been lost for all eternity.

That means that the Law for Procreation would have held them down forever, and they would never have been able to be resurrected.

That is why they are the lost sheep of Israel.
 
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So now it's down play the value of scripture. I guess your heresy knows no limits.
 

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Israel is the name of the nation of the children of the kingdom. Father Adam and Mother Eve are the ones that made Procreation possible for the children of the kingdom to have physical bodies like they have physical bodies.
Garbage.

GOD HIMSELF made procreation possible. Adam and Eve just engaged in it.
 
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Garbage.

GOD HIMSELF made procreation possible. Adam and Eve just engaged in it.
Not exactly. The body that they had before the fall is the immortal celestial body coupled in the image and after the likeness of GOD.
Procreation was not possible in that state.

This is what the Blessed Virgin mary was pointing to, because she too was in a state where Procreation was impossible. And that state is that she had not started puberty yet. So she wasn't releasing eggs for procreation when GOD incubated on her womb and coupled HIS body that HE will wear in the earth...

Just as Abraham and Sarah did not have a child until Abraham was 100, and Sarah was 90. In the mortal body that is impossible. The Woman no longer is releasing eggs for procreation to be possible. This is pointing to Father Adam, and Mother Eve before the fall, before they could procreate. Its why Abraham was called the Father of Many because Adam fathered the world.

So, there was what was needed to bring them into a state where Procreation is possiible, and that state is the mortal state. This is the reason for the fall, to procreate. Mortality is the fallen state, and that was caused by the fruit they ate.
 

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Not exactly. The body that they had before the fall is the immortal celestial body coupled in the image and after the likeness of GOD.
Procreation was not possible in that state.
More unbiblical garbage.

God gave the command to be fruitful and multiply BEFORE the fall.

This is what the Blessed Virgin mary was pointing to, because she too was in a state where Procreation was impossible.
Ah... you're a Catholic. It all makes sense now. Well, not really; it's still absolutely unbiblical.

And that state is that she had not started puberty yet. So she wasn't releasing eggs for procreation when GOD incubated on her womb and coupled HIS body that HE will wear in the earth...

Just as Abraham and Sarah did not have a child until Abraham was 100, and Sarah was 90. In the mortal body that is impossible. The Woman no longer is releasing eggs for procreation to be possible. This is pointing to Father Adam, and Mother Eve before the fall, before they could procreate. Its why Abraham was called the Father of Many because Adam fathered the world.
More nuttiness.

So, there was what was needed to bring them into a state where Procreation is possiible, and that state is the mortal state. This is the reason for the fall, to procreate. Mortality is the fallen state, and that was caused by the fruit they ate.
What colour is the sky in your fantasy world?
 
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More unbiblical garbage.

God gave the command to be fruitful and multiply BEFORE the fall.


Ah... you're a Catholic. It all makes sense now. Well, not really; it's still absolutely unbiblical.


More nuttiness.


What colour is the sky in your fantasy world?
Because I called her the Blessed Virgin I am a catholic? Is it not written that she blessed among women?

Secondly, it is written that Man was made in the image and after the likeness of GOD. Perhaps you think GOD has mortal flesh... It wouldn't suprise me if you did.

thirdly, yes HE gave that commandment to show the reason for the fall.

Seek the kingdom for yourself.
 

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Because I called her the Blessed Virgin I am a catholic? Is it not written that she blessed among women?

Secondly, it is written that Man was made in the image and after the likeness of GOD. Perhaps you think GOD has mortal flesh... It wouldn't suprise me if you did.

thirdly, yes HE gave that commandment to show the reason for the fall.

Seek the kingdom for yourself.
Only Catholics refer to Mary as "the Blessed Virgin Mary". If you aren't Catholic, then you should have no problem declaring that Catholic teachings regarding Mary are not only unbiblical but anti-Christian.
 
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Only Catholics refer to Mary as "the Blessed Virgin Mary". If you aren't Catholic, then you should have no problem declaring that Catholic teachings regarding Mary are not only unbiblical but anti-Christian.
The Roman caltholic church is the mother harlot, and her daughters are the Protestants, all denominations including 7th day adventists, and the anglican, orthodox and the grace churches. I am not from any of them, I have already come out of her.
 

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The Roman caltholic church is the mother harlot, and her daughters are the Protestants, all denominations including 7th day adventists, and the anglican, orthodox and the grace churches. I am not from any of them, I have already come out of her.
Having "come out", what exactly are you?
 

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But Jesus His Pre-Eminence said this before paul even emerged as a persecutor of the church.
Of course our Lord said it before Paul received Christ. My point was, Paul learned from Christ Jesus.
 
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Do you accept Paul's writings as Scripture?
His writings are his interpretations of the original scrolls which he used. Therefore, there are some things that are on point, but other things are not. If you can point me to a place where he said what Jesus His Pre-Eminence said, i am all ears.
 

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His writings are his interpretations of the original scrolls which he used. Therefore, there are some things that are on point, but other things are not. If you can point me to a place where he said what Jesus His Pre-Eminence said, i am all ears.
A simple "Yes" or "No" will do. Don't try to bafflegab your way around this question.