Jesus and Paul -two different gospels?

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Mark 9


2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.

7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.


Jesus His Pre-Eminence, Moses and Elijah. That is why Apostle Peter wanted to make three tabernacles one for each.
Again ,who was actually transfigured according to what it says ? It Just says THEY APPEARED . Thats it .
 

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Mark 9


2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.

7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.


Jesus His Pre-Eminence, Moses and Elijah. That is why Apostle Peter wanted to make three tabernacles one for each.
Only one person is said to transfigure in the text .
Transliteration: metamorphoo
Pronunciation: me-tä-mor-fo'-oPart of Speech: verbRoot Word (Etymology): From μετά (G3326) and μορφόω (G3445)TDNT Reference: 4:755,607Outline of Biblical Usage:
  1. to change into another form, to transform, to transfigure
    1. Christ appearance was changed and was resplendent with divine brightness on the mount of transfiguration
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KJV Translation Count: 4x
The KJV translates Strongs G3339 in the following manner: transfigure (2x), transform (1x), change (1x).Strong's Definitions: μεταμορφόω metamorphóō, met-am-or-fo'-o; from G3326 and G3445; to transform (literally or figuratively, "metamorphose"):—change, transfigure, transform.
 
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Again ,who was actually transfigured according to what it says ?
They were both immortal. Proof is Moses had died, yet he was there on the mountain of olives. Elijah surely transfigured, meaning he put on immortality in life alive. It only mentions Jesus His Pre-Eminence, but then i ask you, what is the purpose of HIM transfiguring, and then how did the Apostles recognise it was Moses and Elijah?
 

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They were both immortal. Proof is Moses had died, yet he was there on the mountain of olives. Elijah surely transfigured, meaning he put on immortality in life alive. It only mentions Jesus His Pre-Eminence, but then i ask you, what is the purpose of HIM transfiguring, and then how did the Apostles recognise it was Moses and Elijah?
Your believing something the bible doesn't say ? Why ?
 

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They were both immortal. Proof is Moses had died, yet he was there on the mountain of olives. Elijah surely transfigured, meaning he put on immortality in life alive. It only mentions Jesus His Pre-Eminence, but then i ask you, what is the purpose of HIM transfiguring, and then how did the Apostles recognise it was Moses and Elijah?
Let's look again .
1¶And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

3And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

That's it .
 
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Your believing something the bible doesn't say ?
No, not at all. Did the bible say that Moses had died yes or no? Does the bible say that Elijah was taken into heaven and did not die? And does the bible say that Jesus His Pre-Eminence transfigured? And that HE also was in HIS transfigured state when HE appeared to John the Beloved.
How did the Apostles recognise it was Moses and Elijah without any photots, any knowledge of how they looked?
 
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Let's look again .
1¶And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

3And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

That's it .
Lol so how did they know it was Moses and Elijah answer that?
 
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Because they appeared.
Fron where? Why Moses and Elijah? why not daniel and Joseph? Its because neither of them were in heaven. Yet Enoch, Elijah and Moses were. And we have proof Moses was in Jude 1:9 - which came after those events,.... But for some reason the Apostles knew it was exactly Moses and Elijah without any photos, paintings, any thing to suggest it was them?

Are you really unable to see this for yourself?
 

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Fron where? Why Moses and Elijah? why not daniel and Joseph? Its because neither of them were in heaven. Yet Enoch, Elijah and Moses were. And we have proof Moses was in Jude 1:9 - which came after those events,.... But for some reason the Apostles knew it was exactly Moses and Elijah without any photos, paintings, any thing to suggest it was them?

Are you really unable to see this for yourself?
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1¶And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

3And, behold, there APPEARED unto them Moses and Elias TALKING with HIM
You seem more keen on what's not said rather than what is said .
 

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Fron where? Why Moses and Elijah? why not daniel and Joseph? Its because neither of them were in heaven. Yet Enoch, Elijah and Moses were. And we have proof Moses was in Jude 1:9 - which came after those events,.... But for some reason the Apostles knew it was exactly Moses and Elijah without any photos, paintings, any thing to suggest it was them?

Are you really unable to see this for yourself?
I'm more concerned you thought they were transfigured like Jesus ?
 
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1¶And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

3And, behold, there APPEARED unto them Moses and Elias TALKING with HIM .
Where does it say the Apostles knew? Not till the next verses...

5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

First of all, why three tabernacles when they are disciples of Jesus His Pre-Eminence?
Second of all how did they know who they were?

you still refuse to answer and its clear because you don't have an answer.

However, the Apostles knew that Moses had died. And they knew that Enoch did not die. And they also knew that Moses was not buried. They knew that both of them had come from heaven. Heaven is not a ghost world i hope you know. Thus, they were able to tell it was Moses and Elijah. And no man can enter heaven except he is born again.

And being born again is putting on your immortal body in life alive, and that is really what it means to be saved. Salvation, is to be saved from the physical death so that you don't have to go to hell and await resurrection. That is what it means to be saved.

Compare this:


3 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The few that found it are Enoch and Elijah.
 

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Where does it say the Apostles knew? Not till the next verses...

5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

First of all, why three tabernacles when they are disciples of Jesus His Pre-Eminence?
Second of all how did they know who they were?

you still refuse to answer and its clear because you don't have an answer.

However, the Apostles knew that Moses had died. And they knew that Enoch did not die. And they also knew that Moses was not buried. They knew that both of them had come from heaven. Heaven is not a ghost world i hope you know. Thus, they were able to tell it was Moses and Elijah. And no man can enter heaven except he is born again.

And being born again is putting on your immortal body in life alive, and that is really what it means to be saved. Salvation, is to be saved from the physical death so that you don't have to go to hell and await resurrection. That is what it means to be saved.

Compare this:


3 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

The few that found it are Enoch and Elijah.
I try deal with what God has revealed and not to speculate and draw conclusions based on assumptions.
 

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They are transfigured. its not a thought, its the only way they could be in a heavens world.
No verse says any one was transfigured other than Jesus. That means you don't believe every word from God .
 
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I try deal with what God has revealed and not to speculate and draw conclusions based on assumptions.
Its not an assumption. How could Elijah have been alive all this time without having an immortal body? How could he enter heaven without having the celestial body? Do you think man in his mortal state can enter into heaven?

How did Moses, who had died, and was not resurrected, appear with Elijah in an earth where ghosts cannot be seen and are not residents if he did not have the celestial body as well?

And finally, why would Jesus His Pre-Eminence transfigure as well?
 
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No verse says any one was transfigured other than Jesus. That means you don't believe every word from God .
So how were they in th earth? Tell me. By the laws of this earth, how were they here? And how were they recognised?
Its plain as day.
 

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So how were they in th earth? Tell me. By the laws of this earth, how were they here? And how were they recognised?
Its plain as day.
I try deal with what the text says not speculation. What does the text actually say ?
 
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I try deal with what the text says not speculation. What does the text actually say ?
The text says that Elijah was taken up into heaven.
Text says that Moses died.
The text says that Jesus His Pre-Eminence transfigured.

Later the text claims that Enoch and Elijah were translated, which makes 0 sense since Heaven is a Celestial realm. And that is not a ghost world, but a physical world. Cherubim have their anatomy, Angels have their anatomy, Mankind has his celestial body.

Therefore, no man can enter heaven without his celestial body. I mean if we are going by what the text says, how do you explain where Enoch and Moses were? And Moses was not resurrected. How can you explain this?

Sure you dont' speculate, but you also don't seem to have any knowledge of Heaven and her systems, or the supernatural body.
I know that you cannot enter heaven without Spirit, soul and body in tact, and that body is the celestial immortal body which cannot die anymore, cannot age anymore, cannot fall sick anymore. Therefore, it is impossible for Elijah to live without it, else he would have died and waited for resurrection.
 

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Through various discussions on the board here. It seems there is a view that there are two gospels.


Basically it says that Jesus taught a different gospel than that of Paul. Are there two gospels? One that Jesus taught then a different one that Paul taught?
We should preach christ crucified. Jesus and the disciples were not preaching ' christ crucified ' prior to him being crucified . This makes clear that the ' Gospel ' ( good news ) in luke 9.6 was not the same as ' christ crucified ' nor ' christ resurrected. Both in which must be believed in order to be saved today .