The Books of Enoch.

[luigi]

The book of Enoch is mentioned in the New Testament, and I believe that it was taught to the Jews equally as much as the other books in the old testament.
Was seriously leaning towards studying it. Any words of wisdom from the audience?

Much of the data in the book of Enoch, appears in numerous books of the bible, including the book of Revelation, which comes after the book of Enoch. So, if we are to believe in the book of Revelation, then we are also to believe in the book of Enoch. Keep in mind, though, there are more metaphors in the book of Enoch than in any other book of the Bible. If you are novice with the metaphors in the Bible, it would then probably not be a good idea to look at the book of Enoch, as it will almost definitely make you think the data therein is false. Here are a couple of examples: In Enoch VIII:1-2, after the Watcher (fallen angel) Azazel has given mankind the knowledge of metallurgy, this knowledge is then used for making military armaments, jewelry, and cosmetology, leading to godlessness and fornication. This knowledge is then attributed to Azazel for corrupting the whole earth (Enoch X:8). As such, the watcher (fallen angel) Azazel can be realized is another name for the fallen angel Satan who deceives the whole earth (Revelation 12:9).
Another example of the extreme metaphors is the giants in the end times of 3,000 ells (approximately 6,000 feet tall) who after consuming all the acquisitions of man, then devour all of mankind (Enoch VII:2-4). As the first chapter in the book of Enoch informs us that the data therein is primarily in regards to the final generation who are to witness the dire environmental effects from the knowledge the watchers (fallen angels) have taught mankind; the giants who are approximately 1000 times the size of an average human, is then understood to metaphorically represent the giants of industry, who are today consuming all the acquisitions of mankind through their insatiable greed, who when mankind will no longer be able to sustain them, will then initiate genocide on a global scale against mankind. According to Revelation 9:16-19, this devouring/genocide of mankind will kill 1/3 of all mankind.

 

[RomanticRevolutionary]

The book of Enoch is not mentioned in the New Testament, or for that matter, anywhere in the entirety of the Bible. This is a common misconception based on the similarity of a quote in Jude to a quote in the heretical book of Enoch. The book of Enoch has both subtle and overt contradictions to the Torah ranging from getting the environment wrong (book of Enoch it rained before the Flood, the Torah says it did not rain before the flood but rather a mist watered the earth), the glaringly obvious fact that Enoch was taken up to heaven in the Torah before the Flood thus not leaving behind a book and history itself as the written record not starting until well after the Flood and for that matter well after the Tower of Babel, and most dangerously the book of Enoch doesn't appear until the time of the Pharisees whom were well noted to create many forgeries. The book of Enoch is a heresy created by the evil jews that murdered the Christ because they did not believe in God's writings nor in the Prophets, but instead created their own man made forgeries of traditions and doctrines for which they are greatly cursed throughout the pages of the Bible.

 

[Dino246]

Once again, plain, simple, easy to understand, read it real slow

The Sons Of God were human men, that married human women

Teaching Angels have sex with human women, and maintaining human sperm is a fairytale in mythology, and false teaching.

Genesis 6:1-6KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

"The Sons of God" took wives, Angel's don't marry humans, it's that simple.

Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Your quotation of Matthew 22:30 is simply irrelevant to Genesis 6.

 

[Dino246]

Mankind had not even been created yet, correct?

Exactly.

 

[Dino246]

Once again, plain, simple, easy to understand, read it real slow

The Sons Of God were human men, that married human women

Teaching Angels have sex with human women, and maintaining human sperm is a fairytale in mythology, and false teaching.

Genesis 6:1-6KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

"The Sons of God" took wives, Angel's don't marry humans, it's that simple.

Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

You have done nothing whatsoever to address Job 38.

 

[iamsoandso]

Much of the data in the book of Enoch, appears in numerous books of the bible, including the book of Revelation, which comes after the book of Enoch. So, if we are to believe in the book of Revelation, then we are also to believe in the book of Enoch. Keep in mind, though, there are more metaphors in the book of Enoch than in any other book of the Bible. If you are novice with the metaphors in the Bible, it would then probably not be a good idea to look at the book of Enoch, as it will almost definitely make you think the data therein is false. Here are a couple of examples: In Enoch VIII:1-2, after the Watcher (fallen angel) Azazel has given mankind the knowledge of metallurgy, this knowledge is then used for making military armaments, jewelry, and cosmetology, leading to godlessness and fornication. This knowledge is then attributed to Azazel for corrupting the whole earth (Enoch X:8). As such, the watcher (fallen angel) Azazel can be realized is another name for the fallen angel Satan who deceives the whole earth (Revelation 12:9).
Another example of the extreme metaphors is the giants in the end times of 3,000 ells (approximately 6,000 feet tall) who after consuming all the acquisitions of man, then devour all of mankind (Enoch VII:2-4). As the first chapter in the book of Enoch informs us that the data therein is primarily in regards to the final generation who are to witness the dire environmental effects from the knowledge the watchers (fallen angels) have taught mankind; the giants who are approximately 1000 times the size of an average human, is then understood to metaphorically represent the giants of industry, who are today consuming all the acquisitions of mankind through their insatiable greed, who when mankind will no longer be able to sustain them, will then initiate genocide on a global scale against mankind. According to Revelation 9:16-19, this devouring/genocide of mankind will kill 1/3 of all mankind.

If Azazel and Satan,the serpent and Devil https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 12:9&version=KJV are one and the same then wouldn't he be bound in chains as in 2 Peter 2:4 https://biblehub.com/2_peter/2-4.htm and Jude 1:6 https://biblehub.com/jude/1-6.htm instead of presenting himself before God along with the sons of God in Job or awaiting the day when he is bound? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 20:2&version=KJV

 

[49]

The book of Enoch is not mentioned in the New Testament, or for that matter, anywhere in the entirety of the Bible. This is a common misconception based on the similarity of a quote in Jude to a quote in the heretical book of Enoch. The book of Enoch has both subtle and overt contradictions to the Torah ranging from getting the environment wrong (book of Enoch it rained before the Flood, the Torah says it did not rain before the flood but rather a mist watered the earth), the glaringly obvious fact that Enoch was taken up to heaven in the Torah before the Flood thus not leaving behind a book and history itself as the written record not starting until well after the Flood and for that matter well after the Tower of Babel, and most dangerously the book of Enoch doesn't appear until the time of the Pharisees whom were well noted to create many forgeries. The book of Enoch is a heresy created by the evil jews that murdered the Christ because they did not believe in God's writings nor in the Prophets, but instead created their own man made forgeries of traditions and doctrines for which they are greatly cursed throughout the pages of the Bible.

The book of Enoch is a heresy created by the evil jews that murdered the Christ


Proof? Thanks!

 

[luigi]

If Azazel and Satan,the serpent and Devil https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 12:9&version=KJV are one and the same then wouldn't he be bound in chains as in 2 Peter 2:4 https://biblehub.com/2_peter/2-4.htm and Jude 1:6 https://biblehub.com/jude/1-6.htm instead of presenting himself before God along with the sons of God in Job or awaiting the day when he is bound? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 20:2&version=KJV

Hi iamsoandso, What is your definition of a spiritual entity being in chains of darkness? My understanding of the devil and his angels being in chains of darkness is that they no longer are illumined by the Lord, and are thereby chained to continue their choice of illuminating/teaching mankind with all the knowledge of materialism that the Lord did not want man to choose over Him in the garden.
We can see the results today from this knowledge, that are increasingly destroying the world and mankind.
All of this forbidden knowledge is described in the book of Enoch. Another example: When man sins against birds, and beasts, and reptiles and fish,... (Enoch VII:5) by the knowledge the Watchers (fallen angels) provide mankind with; I then understand this to represent genetic modification.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

 

[iamsoandso]

The book of Enoch is a heresy created by the evil jews that murdered the Christ


Proof? Thanks!

lol, Well it wouldn't make any sense for the Jews to murder Prophets that God sent and then say their writings were valid right? https://biblehub.com/matthew/23-34.htm So instead do what,,, deny any writing that even resembles Christianity including killing the Lord Jesus,his Apostles and followers and say Matthew to Revelation was written by a group of mislead Jews?

 

[RomanticRevolutionary]

The book of Enoch is a heresy created by the evil jews that murdered the Christ


Proof? Thanks!

First Book of Enoch | Summary, History, & Facts | Britannica
I Enoch is a compilation of several separate works, most of which are apocalyptic. Its oldest portion is the “Apocalypse of Weeks,” written shortly before the Maccabean uprising of 167 BC against the Seleucids.


If you're familiar with history, the Pharisee and Sadduccee sects arose in this time era, though their forerunners spiritually go all the way back to Korah. Along with the contents of those books it's very clear that the book of Enoch is a forgery written during hellenistic era by the heretical jews (in other words the Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, etc. and their philosophical forerunners.)

 

[luigi]

Can you see why in times past the book of Enoch was removed from the canon of the Bible when reading mankind in the end times would be sinning against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish, would construe this as sexual in nature, not being aware of genetic modification?

 

[Edify]

I will quote from a secular source which basically ignores the Bible and depends on the "Babylon Chronicle" for this information:

"NEBUCHADNEZZAR (Nebuchadrezzar ; Heb. נְבוּכַדְנֶצַּר ,נְבוּכַדְרֶאצַּר; Akk. Nabû-kudurri-uṣur , "O, Nabû, guard my border!"), son of Nabopolassar the Chaldean, ruler of Babylon (605–562 b.c.e.)…. It would seem that Nebuchadnezzar reached Palestine and subjected Judah to his rule one or two years later. At the end of 604 he conducted a military campaign against Palestine…

… In Kislev (December) 598 Nebuchadnezzar entered Palestine, and, according to the Babylonian Chronicle, "he encamped against the city of Judah [i.e., Jerusalem] and on the second day of the month of Adar [i.e., March 16, 597] he seized the city and captured the king [i.e., Jehoiachin]. He appointed there a king of his own choice [i.e., Zedekiah], received its heavy tribute and sent it to Babylon"…

The Egyptian rulers no doubt lent their support to uprisings against Babylon, and Zedekiah's open revolt enjoyed their active aid (Jer. 37:5ff.). In 588 the siege of Jerusalem began, and in the summer of 586 Nebuchadnezzar captured the city, laid the Temple waste, carried off a large part of the population of Judah into captivity, and put Zedekiah and other Judean nobles to death. The land of Judah was turned into a province...
https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/history/ancient-history-middle-east-biographies/nebuchadnezzar

Daniel was among the captives taken to Babylon. The book of Daniel is Scripture, and we find that Daniel was the chief ruler of Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar. But he also continued to hold a prominent position in the Medo-Persian empire under Darius the Mede, who ruled from 548-486 B.C. So Daniel wrote his prophecies between 600 and 500 B.C.

I don't have a problem that the date of the original prophecies were written. What the problem is is that the "book"/"complilation" was written at 164 B.C.E. . In other words, someone else compiled the prophecies into 1 book at that time.
How hard it is to get through to some of these guys!

 

[RomanticRevolutionary]

I would add after reading some more of this topic, that even though the Book of Enoch is blatantly a forgery and a heretical book, that one doesn't need the heretical Book of Enoch to understand the times before the Flood and the first round of fallen angels, how they fell for lusting after women, where they are now in chains of darkness, and so forth. The canonical scriptures are sufficient to prove that point without the need for a fake book popularized by the unbelievers from Ancient Aliens. The first fall of the angels is described in the book of Genesis, and cited again in Jude, Paul's letters, and Peter's letters. Additionally a second fall of the angels is promised in the future near the end of time in the sublime prophecy of Revelation during the darkest final days. The Bible is sufficient for all knowledge and learning, it does not need companion books.

 

[iamsoandso]

Hi iamsoandso, What is your definition of a spiritual entity being in chains of darkness? My understanding of the devil and his angels being in chains of darkness is that they no longer are illumined by the Lord, and are thereby chained to continue their choice of illuminating/teaching mankind with all the knowledge of materialism that the Lord did not want man to choose over Him in the garden.
We can see the results today from this knowledge, that are increasingly destroying the world and mankind.
All of this forbidden knowledge is described in the book of Enoch. Another example: When man sins against birds, and beasts, and reptiles and fish,... (Enoch VII:5) by the knowledge the Watchers (fallen angels) provide mankind with; I then understand this to represent genetic modification.

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

In 2 Peter 2:5 Peter separates this by linking the event to the flood. Justin in his dialog(chapter 79) https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01286.htm explains who these are with Scripture. Azazel is one of them but not the same as "the serpent". The first group of angels that fell prior to the flood are bound in Tartarus until the judgment(two Scriptues I gave in my prior post), and then after the flood https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/6-4.htm there is another group that fell/fall,,The serpent was punished as it states in verse 14,15 https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-Chapter-3/ for what he did in the garden.

 

[Nehemiah6]

In other words, someone else compiled the prophecies into 1 book at that time. How hard it is to get through to some of these guys!

Well that is the MAJOR FALLACY that is being addressed. No one other than the prophet Daniel wrote the entire book of Daniel.

But you would rather believe the unbelieving and skeptical *scholars* who refuse to believe that God could have given Daniel all those revelation back in 600-500 B.C.

 

[luigi]

In 2 Peter 2:5 Peter separates this by linking the event to the flood. Justin in his dialog(chapter 79) https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/01286.htm explains who these are with Scripture. Azazel is one of them but not the same as "the serpent". The first group of angels that fell prior to the flood are bound in Tartarus until the judgment(two Scriptues I gave in my prior post), and then after the flood https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/6-4.htm there is another group that fell/fall,,The serpent was punished as it states in verse 14,15 https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-Chapter-3/ for what he did in the garden.

I believe there being only one group of fallen angels, commencing from the fall in the garden. I explained this as the fallen angels no longer being illumined by the Lord, despite the fact that Satan/Azazel and his angels currently still have access to heaven through the faithful who are illumined by the Holy Spirit. There will soon, however, be a shaking of earth and heaven (Hebrews 12:26-27), where the devil and his angels will no longer have access to heaven through the truly faithful on earth (Revelation 12:10). Hitting the sack now, see you guys tomorrow.

 

[Nehemiah6]

...the Book of Enoch is blatantly a forgery and a heretical book...

There is a huge difference between a forgery and a Pseudepigraphical book. And what heresy have you found in this book which glorifies God and Christ?

 

[RomanticRevolutionary]

There is a huge difference between a forgery and a Pseudepigraphical book. And what heresy have you found in this book which glorifies God and Christ?

All the pseudepigrapha are heresies. The word itself means Fake Writing. A heresy is anything against the orthodox canon, which is the Bible. The Book of Enoch is chock full of it from the false story about the fallen angels, the false cosmology, the false origin of demons, the false outcomes, etc. It also doesn't help the Book of Enoch that it wasn't even written by Enoch and was written until over a thousand years after the flood in the era where the Pharisees and Sadducees and other high heretical sects began writing down their doctrines.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

The book of Enoch is mentioned in the New Testament, and I believe that it was taught to the Jews equally as much as the other books in the old testament.
Was seriously leaning towards studying it. Any words of wisdom from the audience?

If you have the Spirit of Truth within you, you should feel qualified to read absolutely anything and everything. I'd go for it.

 

[SophieT]

Romans 8:14KJV
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Don't apply this meaning from the NT to the way the phrase was used in the old.

Think for a moment. Is the scripture in the old talking about individuals led by the Spirit of God?

Well gosh gee whiz no it is not.