Would you agree that the good news of Luke 9.6 is before the Gospel happens that we preach today ? And would you agree that the DBR and the giving of the Holy Spirit is the greatest most wonderful events in all the bible? Or do you see no difference in before and after the Death ,Burial and Resurrection? Is the DBR just a " oh that's nice " ?
Mormonism's Impossible gospel - Keith Walker
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like "a good soldier" ((2 Timothy 2:3-4))
a soldier, especially one whose weapon is a sword, knows that they must cut straight and true. he doesn't cut his spear in half, he thrusts straight with it. he doesn't break his sword into pieces, he wields it skillfully, in a practiced and adept way.
what's the problem with Hymenaeus and Philetus? ((2 Timothy 2:16-18)) -- they are not aligned with the Spirit; they are mishandling the sword of the word of truth. their problem isn't that they didn't divide the Bible in half in the right place, but that they way they used the word was not in line with the truth.
What ever we look back on is with luxury of a complete bible. But no one was ' looking forward or understood the DBR .
you should probably ask yourself why Jesus told the disciples they were "foolish & slow of heart" because they had not understood the DBR from the things which were written, all the way back in Genesis
Then He said to them,
“O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?”
And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.
(Luke 24:25-27)
they were supposed to know. just because people were idiots doesn't mean the truth is something other than it is. the truth is not the truth by virtue of how much of it you comprehend. it is the truth because it is the truth -- "I AM THAT I AM" doesn't need us to comprehend Him in order to be God, He is God because He is God. Have you read why they didn't understand prior ? Why are you saying they were idiots ? I didn't. The bible tells us why they didn't understand. What it proves is that when they are preaching the 'gospel ' in luke 9.6 its not the DBR .
By the time of the resurrection they should have understood but not before . The clue is in Luke 18 and 1cor 2 . So when he says " oh slow and foolish of heart " he means after the resurrection, not before.
lack of understanding the truth does not make it a different truth.
He pointed them all the way back to Moses, beginning with Genesis, explaining through things written long before the crucifixion, not afterwards, how that if they had understood and believed what was written then all of these things, His incarnation, His life, His death, His burial, His resurrection, His ascension and His return -- they would not have been ignorant.
He didn't change the gospel when He opened their hearts to understand.
just because you don't understand the chemistry of the things you eat being transformed into nourishment for your body, doesn't make it "not food"
when you turn a light on in a room it doesn't become a "different room"
do you really not comprehend this?
I didn't say that . I said they were not preaching the gospel of DBR in luke 9.6 . They were doing what Jesus told them to preach . Today we are to preach what we are told also..And today its not luke 9.6 .
it is exactly the same gospel.
we see now as through a dark glass, knowing only in part.
when He returns to gather us to Himself we will know fully -- and we won't suddenly have a "different gospel" on that day just because we finally understand all things, them being fully revealed. it will be exactly the same gospel that Abel prophesied, that Abraham was preached, and that the separation of light from darkness in the beginning teaches.
the holy of holies was not changed by virtue of the veil being torn. what changed was that what had been hidden could now be plainly seen.
in the same way "he will bruise His heel and He will crush his head" and "repent, for the kingdom is at hand" and "unto you a Son is given" are no different than "He was delivered for our transgressions and raised for our justification" -- knowing details more fully doesn't make it different. it makes it understood more completely.
God is Salvation.
that is the gospel. there is no other gospel.
it's His name: Yah-Shuah
that is the gospel. there is no other gospel.
it's His name: Yah-Shuah
As one who already is saved, I have been given a heart that wants to do good works.
IOW, we do good works because we are saved...not in order to get saved...
You do good works... Great, me too...
People who believe in Christ and do good works are saved. You need both, true?
So why does it even matter if the person believes its "because" or "in order" to be saved?
It shouldn't matter at all, which makes this whole schism pointless in my opinion
Thank you sir for your comment. While I understand where you are coming from, I still believe that brother Keith Walker's approach is very affective also. There is power in the Scriptures. And using the law as a school master to bring men unto Christ is Scriptural. And certainly, an evangelist could use your approach as well, sir, when dealing with a Mormon.
The question is, "Do you do good works in order to get saved, or do you do works because you already are saved?"
The answer should be obvious as the glory goes to God and not to self.
Thank you! This is my policy now in dealing with Mormon's and JW's. To me, there is no point in debating other scriptural issues with them, when they don't have the right Jesus coming outta the gate. If Jesus is just a created being, then nothing else say matters.
They have gone as far as to rewrite the word of God to say:
"In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was [a] god."
Though they attempted to circumvent Christ's divinity, there are plenty of other scriptures that proclaim Jesus as being God. One, would be where the disciples told Thomas that they had seen the Lord. And Thomas says, 'I will not believe until I see the nail marks and put my hands in his side.' Then a week later, Jesus appeared to the disciples again and Thomas was there. Jesus went to him and said, look at my hands and my feet. Stick your hand in my side. And Thomas confessed "My Lord and My God!" And Jesus said, "Thomas, you believe because you have seen. Blessed are those who believe but have not seen. Another example would be where Jesus said to the Pharisees and scribes "I and My Father are One." And the Jews picked up stones to stone him. And Jesus said, "I have shown you many works from the Father, for which of these do you stone me for?" And the Jews said, "We are not stoning you for any good works, but because you a mere man make yourself out to be God. And there are many more examples of His deity.