Is the double slit experiment proof of original sin?

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Do you want more scripture about heavenly bodies? I didn't make it up. Why would God want corruption in Heaven?
I was referring to your assumption that no one on this thread is capable of imagining heavenly bodies.
 
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Cool, so are you saying you can? Can you help me with these other guys/gals?
 

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where was Satan when he sinned?
was he cast out of heaven for being innocent?


who said sin is "impossible" in heaven? where is that written?
does the Bible say that?


does the Bible actually say the opposite of that?
He says sin cannot happen without physicality yet angels are not physical
still he claims Satan was the first sinner. A&E -according to him- were not
physical either when they first sinned, but he is too scared to look his
contradictions squarely in the face and acknowledge them for
the nonsense they are. He cannot imagine being wrong :giggle:
 
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He says sin cannot happen without physicality yet angels are not physical
still he claims Satan was the first sinner. A&E -according to him- were not
physical either when they first sinned, but he is too scared to look his
contradictions squarely in the face and acknowledge them for
the nonsense they are. He cannot imagine being wrong :giggle:
Weird how you think we will be able to masturbate in Heaven.
 
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Please tell me where I am against the Bible somehow. None of you are getting that I'm on the GOOD side. I'm on team JESUS. God said he would wake the world at the end ..well guess what time it is?
Ultimately, aren't you only attempting to explain your views from a Scientific standpoint?
OK!
Let's say mission accomplished.
Now, explain your views from a non Scientific standpoint, to see [if] there's more clarity to those not participating but reading within this thread!
 
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None of you are capable of imagining what a heavenly body is.
limitless like a dust vapor that can walk through walls, molecular structured to be in one place 1 second and then to be somewhere like the other side of the Universe from just thought, but yet tangible to eat and drink and be full of emotion except for [fear and doubt]. Yeah, it's going to be pretty sweet!
 
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I think Dark Matter is matter-waves that can not collapse.

God needed Dark Matter Waves to hold Galaxies together. He needed it so that physical fallen history would lead up to Adam causing Original Sin with wave collapse. Is Dark Matter showing us the hand of God because it doesn't collapse? Would this reality exist without Dark Matter Waves?

Time ..History ..can be baked into the first wave collapse ..Original Sin.

Could Dark Matter Waves remain waves even when collapsed like a wave packet?
 

posthuman

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For the 50th time. Satan was the first to sin. He caused disorder in God's Kingdom.
for the 50th time you didn't answer.

Satan was in heaven when he sinned. therefore sin is possible in heaven, but has no place in it - therefore war, and Satan was cast out, along with his angels - which had also sinned after him, in heaven.

ergo you're wrong about whether non-physicality is inherently sinless, wrong about physicality being equivalent to sinfulness, and wrong about indeterminacy being equivalent to spiritual goodness.

we all see it.
 
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Is Dark Matter, De Broglie matter-waves? Does it have an inability to collapse into physical particles? Does it remain a decohered wave packet like a photon? Would Galaxies hold together without Dark Matter Waves? Is it hinting there is a Creator?
 
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I think Dark Matter is matter-waves that can not collapse.
DM is kind of like the big ocean of the Universe. From Creation to the start of the ever expanding Universe, DM covers roughly 85% So, you're calling DM a stabilizer. I see it as the ocean of the Universe.

God needed Dark Matter Waves to hold Galaxies together. He needed it so that physical fallen history would lead up to Adam causing Original Sin with wave collapse. Is Dark Matter showing us the hand of God because it doesn't collapse? Would this reality exist without Dark Matter Waves?
DM is the Stabilizer in your theory. I'm not so sure I want to disagree here.

Could Dark Matter Waves remain waves even when collapsed like a wave packet?
It would be more like a current blockage to energy flow. There's no history because it's designed to be a continual flow. Like a hose to water to destination
 
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Is Dark Matter, De Broglie matter-waves? Does it have an inability to collapse into physical particles? Does it remain a decohered wave packet like a photon? Would Galaxies hold together without Dark Matter Waves? Is it hinting there is a Creator?
Ultimately, it reveals a [pattern] like we discover more obvious in Galaxies and Constellations. The Pattern therefore reveals a Designer. The simulation reveals Reason. The entire schematics reveals a Model. The overall View reveals a Creator.
 

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Is Dark Matter, De Broglie matter-waves?
That's a nonsense question.
All matter, per De Broglie, is describable as 'matter waves'

That's one of the most basic concepts of QM

Have you ever had any education in modern physics, at all?
 

posthuman

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If analysis of the universe is correct, some 97% of the mass and energy in creation is completely unexplained.

That's telling us we don't know squat about what God does. It should be humbling
 
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Original Sin started Fallen Time ..Physical History ..Linear Time (Entropy) ..Age.

Was Time only Cyclical and Coherent beforehand?
 

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The double slit experiment is indicating we are judging if something is part of this fallen reality or not. We became unique instead of as a whole. A physical person has pride, vanity, greed, lust, ego ..sin

The knowledge of judging evil allows humans to know something is physical. We didn't know/see what the difference was between a wave and particle before sin.

Scientists say decoherence is lost information to the environment. ..but the environment is this fallen reality. We are swimming in sin.

It goes deeper ..original sin caused disorder ..entropy. Unobserved waves are coherent and infinite. Decohered wave packets are finite. They caused disorder of the perfect order of coherence. SIN

This fallen condition causes Death, Decay, and Age.

Sin has something to do with physicality. Satan was allowed in the Garden because God needed something fallen to give us choice for Free Will. If God used a tree ..it means it was a physical tree ..and Satan is able to be around anything fallen apparently. The tree of knowledge would have looked normal to Adam because he couldn't judge between good and evil yet. The tree was physical in a garden that was not. God doesn't create evil so he used something from this fallen view.

Our eyes were open to Satan's perception because he was the first to cause disorder.

I think decoherence might be a present state ..the now. Physical objects can only be in the now ..not the future.
Not at all. The double slit experiment shows the mystery at the heart of quantum mechanics. There's no sense of judgement here: light behaves as a wave under certain parameters, as a particle under others. But then people like Feynman would have held that we can't grasp the quantum mechanical world - though the Theory of quantum electro dynamics works. It's got nothing to do with fallen reality, and the fact that we can theorise about and go so deep into nature is part of the goodness God has given us, and the wonder of Creation.
 
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Thanks for stopping by and only reading the first post.

Is Time without a Present State considered Cyclical and Coherent?
Does a Present State act like Decoherence?
 

posthuman

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Thanks for stopping by and only reading the first post.

Is Time without a Present State considered Cyclical and Coherent?
Does a Present State act like Decoherence?
not at all, in fact, the opposite.

time is a derived measure of the relative position of all the matter & energy in the universe.
any 'instant' of time, the "present" or "now" is perfectly coherent because by nature of being independent of the relative motion of all the matter and energy in the universe, each possible pairing or n-tuple of individual components of the universe in a "present state" has invariant phase difference.

so by the very definition of coherence ((invariant phase difference)) all "moments" are individually universally 100% coherent. the "present state" is completely coherent.


cyclicity is a word that only makes sense across a time interval. not all sequences are cyclical.

a probability distribution can be formed by a cyclical sequence mapped to a continuous function with cyclical properties & viewed as a time sequence. by definition in such a case every 'instant' ((representing a particular value in the integral probability distribution function)) has probability P(t) = 0
because the function is cyclical there exist x & z in the time sequence for which P(x) ≠ P(z) -- therefore the system is decoherent.

so there's an instance where your 1st hypothesis fails, and your 2nd hypothesis is disproven by definition.

 
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not at all, in fact, the opposite.

time is a derived measure of the relative position of all the matter & energy in the universe.
any 'instant' of time, the "present" or "now" is perfectly coherent because by nature of being independent of the relative motion of all the matter and energy in the universe, each possible pairing or n-tuple of individual components of the universe in a "present state" has invariant phase difference.


so by the very definition of coherence ((invariant phase difference)) all "moments" are individually universally 100% coherent. the "present state" is completely coherent.


cyclicity is a word that only makes sense across a time interval. not all sequences are cyclical.

a probability distribution can be formed by a cyclical sequence mapped to a continuous function with cyclical properties & viewed as a time sequence. by definition in such a case every 'instant' ((representing a particular value in the integral probability distribution function)) has probability P(t) = 0
because the function is cyclical there exist x & z in the time sequence for which P(x) ≠ P(z) -- therefore the system is decoherent.


so there's an instance where your 1st hypothesis fails, and your 2nd hypothesis is disproven by definition.
Einstein coined it the Harmony of God!