Is all scripture plain to understand?
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14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,[a] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”[b]
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Hi throughfaith,
There is only one good news, one gospel. Jesus taught it. Peter taught it. Paul Taught it. James taught it and so on. and they all say the same thing.
John 3:14ff
14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
John 5:24
4 “Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
Romans 4:3-5
3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
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1 Corinthians 15:3-4
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
Acts 2:32-39
God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of it. 33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34 For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said,
“‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
35 until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet.”’
36 “Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
There is only one gospel that Jesus taught to his apostles and then later on taught Paul the same.
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That is a mistranslation of what Peter said
some simple study would reveal this
petwr did not tell anyone getting baptised in water would give them remission of sin
Not for me personally, but for Christians in general. Sure let's take an example from Deuteronomy 25:4: Thou shalt not muzzle the ox when he treadeth out the corn.
There is absolutely no Israelite or Jew who would have concluded from reading this that it had a spiritual (and also practical) application to God's servants. And if any Christian has failed to read the epistles of Paul, he or she will simply assume that this commandment applies only to oxen. But the Holy Spirit taught Paul to apply it to preachers of the Gospel and ministers of the Word:
1 CORINTHIANS 9: THE COMPENSATION OF EVANGELISTS, PASTORS, AND TEACHERS
7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
Then Paul quotes from Deuteronomy 25:4 again in 1 Timothy 5:17,18 in speaking about the compensation of elders, including the words of Christ regarding the laborer: Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
There are many other examples in Scripture where none us could imagine that the words we are reading can meaning something more or something deeper than what is on the surface, until we see how they were interpreted by Christ and the apostles (under the guidance of the Holy Spirit).
There are probably hundreds (or thousands) of Christians who actually believe that the Resurrection/Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ are one and the same. But a careful study of Scripture shows that they are distinctly different and have different purposes. There are probably millions of Christians who believe that the Resurrection of the just and the unjust both happen on the same 24 hour day, instead of being separated by over 1,000 years.
Abraham recieved christ ' in a figure ' . He did not do Romans 10.9 He did not believe on 1 cor 15 -1-4
What your doing is generalising all the verses which say something about believing Jesus in some way and calling this ' THE gospel ' .
Luke 9.6
6¶And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where.
Notice they are preaching a gospel here ( a good news ) But it does not include the death ,burial and resurrection as they did not understand the DBR until after the resurrection..Even then they denied the resurrection still . This is not the Gospel that we preach today . Today if we don't preach 1cor 15 1-5 we preaching another Gospel which Paul warns about in Galations .
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Peter did not proclaim a different gospel man, Jews do not need to get baptized while gentiles do not
jesus said the gospel Peter preached would first be to the Jew, then a
samaria then the ends of the earth, did you forget that fact
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He is so focused on trying to defeat calvinism, I think he can’t think of anything else,
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He still repentEd and had faith man
Abraham was saved by grace through faith not works
you need to stop focusing on your hate and start studying the word of God, you are in serious error
Hi throughfaith,
As I said before nearly all Christians have refuted and rejected 'mid acts hyper - dispensationalism' You need to learn how to rightly divide the word my friend. Anyhow here is a word of caution from a dispensationalist:
"Mid-Acts dispensationalism overlooks the fact that Gentiles were part of the early church before Paul was converted. Acts 2:10–11 makes it clear that the crowd listening to Peter preach on the Day of Pentecost included Gentile proselytes to Judaism. And Acts 8 shows how Samaritans and an Ethiopian were baptized into Christ before Paul ever started preaching the doctrine of the church or of grace. Thus there was a joint church body of Jews and Gentiles before Paul began his ministry.
Most importantly, mid-Acts dispensationalism or the Grace Movement claims there are “different gospels,” one taught by Peter and one taught by Paul. But the Old Testament (and the first part of the New Testament) does not teach salvation by works; the Jews in Galilee were not saved a different way from the Gentiles in Achaia.
Mid-Acts dispensationalism is opposed to several elements of orthodoxy. Its downplaying of half of the New Testament, its unwarranted exclusion of early Jewish believers from the body of Christ, its disregard of water baptism, and its allowance for a faith-plus-works gospel make the Grace Movement an unbiblical view. " C Ryrie.
As I said before nearly all Christians have refuted and rejected 'mid acts hyper - dispensationalism' You need to learn how to rightly divide the word my friend. Anyhow here is a word of caution from a dispensationalist:
"Mid-Acts dispensationalism overlooks the fact that Gentiles were part of the early church before Paul was converted. Acts 2:10–11 makes it clear that the crowd listening to Peter preach on the Day of Pentecost included Gentile proselytes to Judaism. And Acts 8 shows how Samaritans and an Ethiopian were baptized into Christ before Paul ever started preaching the doctrine of the church or of grace. Thus there was a joint church body of Jews and Gentiles before Paul began his ministry.
Most importantly, mid-Acts dispensationalism or the Grace Movement claims there are “different gospels,” one taught by Peter and one taught by Paul. But the Old Testament (and the first part of the New Testament) does not teach salvation by works; the Jews in Galilee were not saved a different way from the Gentiles in Achaia.
Mid-Acts dispensationalism is opposed to several elements of orthodoxy. Its downplaying of half of the New Testament, its unwarranted exclusion of early Jewish believers from the body of Christ, its disregard of water baptism, and its allowance for a faith-plus-works gospel make the Grace Movement an unbiblical view. " C Ryrie.
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VII. All things in Scripture are not alike plain in themselves, nor alike clear unto allp) yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed, and observed for salvation, are so clearly propounded and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of the ordinary means, may attain unto a sufficient understanding of them.(q)
(p) II Pet. 3:16.
(q) Psalm 119:105, 130.
Would you agree with the above statement? why or why not?
Scholars have determined that the reading requirement for the King James Bible is equivalent to a 6th grade education.
God would be a respecter of persons if the core of His messages were unreachable by most people.
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Yesc like I've already said ,I'm not a mid Acts hyper dispo ,so I'll just keep having to remind you I see . I was baptised, full immersion and i attend all those who are baptised when i can . Its a wonderful ' figure ' of the baptism of the Holy Spirit that everyone should do.
Well you obviously hold to similar beliefs.. Its quite plain in what you are saying..
Hi Waytogo,
Yep, a young person who can read can understand:
"those things which are necessary to be known, believed, and observed for salvation, are so clearly propounded and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of the ordinary means, may attain unto a sufficient understanding of them"
Hi throughfaith,
What do you mean that the gospel Jesus taught was not the same as what Paul taught. Focusing on what you think Jesus taught. Here is what you said.
"Jesus preached the 'Kingdom 'to Israel "
What is preaching the kingdom to Israel? And how does the message differ from Pauls?
What do you mean that the gospel Jesus taught was not the same as what Paul taught. Focusing on what you think Jesus taught. Here is what you said.
"Jesus preached the 'Kingdom 'to Israel "
What is preaching the kingdom to Israel? And how does the message differ from Pauls?