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throughfaith

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#44
Hi Throughfaith,

I did answer, I'll give it again.

The teachings and life of Jesus from the New Testament has everything to do with the book of Romans. So the scripture I provided from the New Testament speaks volumes.

Don't you agree?


Why do you not think that the teachings of Jesus are of the utmost importance to Christians?
They no more authoritive than the teachings in Leviticus . All of the bible is the word of God.
 

throughfaith

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#45
Yes and all Christians would also say 'To You' would you agree with that?
No that would be disobedient to God .I'd rather believe the bible and not disobey God's word .
 

throughfaith

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Yep definatley a Mid Acts Hyper dispensationalist.

How would that be disobedient to God?
Because if I was to follow Jesus command to only preach to gentiles here .
Matthew 10:5 Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

then i would be in disobedience today .This just one of many examples we see in the Old testament. Even in the book of Acts .
 

throughfaith

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#49
Yep definatley a Mid Acts Hyper dispensationalist.

How would that be disobedient to God?
I see we're getting way off Romans 5 . And you think the new testament begins with Matthew lol ? is this because those folks put ' new testament " as a heading ?Do you believe thise summary s are scripture also lol ?How about those maps and index ?
 

phil36

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Because if I was to follow Jesus command to only preach to gentiles here .
Matthew 10:5 Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

then i would be in disobedience today .This just one of many examples we see in the Old testament. Even in the book of Acts .


Didn't Paul say:

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

?
 

throughfaith

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#51
Didn't Paul say:

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

?
Amen .Yes ALL scripture is FOR us .
 

phil36

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Ok lets go back to Romans 5.
I see we're getting way off Romans 5 . And you think the new testament begins with Matthew lol ? is this because those folks put ' new testament " as a heading ?Do you believe thise summary s are scripture also lol ?How about those maps and index ?

Hi Throughfaith,

I believe what Christians have always believed..the New Testament begins and ends with Jesus! Mid acts hyper - dispensationalism has been refuted and rejected by almost all Christians.
 

throughfaith

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#53
Ok lets go back to Romans 5.



Hi Throughfaith,

I believe what Christians have always believed..the New Testament begins and ends with Jesus! Mid acts hyper - dispensationalism has been refuted and rejected by almost all Christians.
What does Hebrews 9 say ?.
15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16¶For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

Again were back to that basic principle
. What does it say ? Do you see the problem with your system ? It doesn't care what the bible actually SAYS . THERE IS NO NEW TESTAMENT WITHOUT A DEATH . THE DEATH OF CHRIST .
 

phil36

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What does Hebrews 9 say ?.
15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16¶For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
18Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

Again were back to that basic principle
. What does it say ? Do you see the problem with your system ? It doesn't care what the bible actually SAYS . THERE IS NO NEW TESTAMENT WITHOUT A DEATH . THE DEATH OF CHRIST .
Yes Jesus is the mediator of the New Testament, the new covenant.

But Why do you think the life and teachings of Jesus were written down.

Why do mid acts hyper dispensationalist say that only Paul's writings are to us?
 

throughfaith

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#55
Didn't Paul say:

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

?
Does this verse contradict ' ALL of the scriptures are FOR us but not All is TO us .
 

throughfaith

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#56
Yes Jesus is the mediator of the New Testament, the new covenant.

But Why do you think the life and teachings of Jesus were written down.

Why do mid acts hyper dispensationalist say that only Paul's writings are to us?
Erm ,if they were not written down we wouldn't know what happened ,for starters .
 

phil36

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Does this verse contradict ' ALL of the scriptures are FOR us but not All is TO us


Mid Acts Dispensationalists beliefs?

There are many things concerning Mid Acts Dispensationalism beliefs and teachings to be on the look out for. The following information will be some of the basic beliefs and doctrines of those who identify themselves as Mid Acts Dispensational believers.

Here's throughfaith in a nutshell.

They believe that the books written by the Apostle Paul are solely for the body of Christ to live by and for doctrine. They go on to say that all other books are for the body of Christ for informative reasons but not for doctrine, which gets scary in some areas. Those of this movement word it this way, “All of the Bible is for us but not all of the Bible is written to us.” This is some crafty wording and many.


It's really sad that you believe Jesus' words are for information only that only Paul is for sound doctrine.. Terrible.
 

throughfaith

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#59
Yes Jesus is the mediator of the New Testament, the new covenant.

But Why do you think the life and teachings of Jesus were written down.

Why do mid acts hyper dispensationalist say that only Paul's writings are to us?
A hyper mid dispensationalist . Do you even know what that means? its quite specific and I've not said that is what i believe. So this is quite entertaining.
 

throughfaith

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What's to discuss? Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, and all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. There is none righteous, no not one.
I can't argue with that.